LexLuthor871 Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Is there a chance that the so called mullet or slug might be shelved and that something different is in the offing? I know there are commitments with New Era etc. but what do you think the possibility is, that this is all a ruse? Hey who's to say the alleged hat or ice surface isn't a smoke screen? I actually don't mind this logo at all (I certainly don't think this compares with the scrapped Islanders /Gordon's fisherman of '97) but with all the disenchantment, maybe something faux was leaked as a trial balloon? Would the Sabres really follow through on something that caused so much uproar, especially in light of people threatening to buy the alternate jersey in droves and boycott this? In any event Saturday should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 lol dude, the slug is our logo. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 especially in light of people threatening to buy the alternate jersey in droves and boycott this? A Buck is a Buck, I really doubt they care if you buy a third jersey or a Home, or an Away, Aslong as you BUY ONE. And yes, Face it, this is the logo, there isn't going to be a magical change over night and a good laugh from Larry Quinn telling Sabres fans this was all part of Time Warners new cable prank show. Its the logo, if a logo and jersey design bothers you that much, find a team with a prettier uniform and route for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 A Buck is a Buck, I really doubt they care if you buy a third jersey or a Home, or an Away, Aslong as you BUY ONE. And yes, Face it, this is the logo, there isn't going to be a magical change over night and a good laugh from Larry Quinn telling Sabres fans this was all part of Time Warners new cable prank show. Its the logo, if a logo and jersey design bothers you that much, find a team with a prettier uniform and route for them Come on, you think they won't notice if they have no alternate jerseys left in stock but are backlogged with the slug stuff? If the fans bought as much of the new alternate stuff as they claim they are, the team would have to be run by a bunch of crap-flinging monkeys (not the poster on TSW, but actual crap-throwing primates) not to notice and to adjust their priorities/marketing strategy/corporate branding & identity. Golisano didn't get to where he is by wasting money (multiple failed governor's runs excluded) so I fully expect that IF the alternate merchandise outsells the slug, you'll see some sort of change. Unfortunately, I think there are a lot of people out there who will buy the new logo simply b/c its new, and those who will buy for their kids, who want it b/c its new and cool looking. I think we are stuck with it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Unfortunately, I think there are a lot of people out there who will buy the new logo simply b/c its new, and those who will buy for their kids, who want it b/c its new and cool looking. I think we are stuck with it for now. I will buy the stuff just because of how much outrage it has caused from Sabres fans who seem to think that the uniform will cause us to be laughed out of the league. Its not that great of a logo, but it isn't as bad as everyone is making it sound, so far on the merchandise I have seen it on, it looks pretty good, and its blue and gold, to bad when they cried for the sabres to go back to blue and gold they didn't include the fact it had to be the same old uniform they had before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I will buy the stuff just because of how much outrage it has caused from Sabres fans who seem to think that the uniform will cause us to be laughed out of the league. Its not that great of a logo, but it isn't as bad as everyone is making it sound, so far on the merchandise I have seen it on, it looks pretty good, and its blue and gold, to bad when they cried for the sabres to go back to blue and gold they didn't include the fact it had to be the same old uniform they had before :angry: read my sig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexLuthor871 Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 A Buck is a Buck, I really doubt they care if you buy a third jersey or a Home, or an Away, Aslong as you BUY ONE. And yes, Face it, this is the logo, there isn't going to be a magical change over night and a good laugh from Larry Quinn telling Sabres fans this was all part of Time Warners new cable prank show. Its the logo, if a logo and jersey design bothers you that much, find a team with a prettier uniform and route for them Don't misunderstand me. I'm with you on the logo, dude...I really didn't mind the uniform when it was leaked out. I don't think it's a big deal but apparently a lot of fans do; the dissension on this bugs me that's all. I guess I wish there was a design everyone could like but face it, that's never going to happen especially when it comes to fickle fans demanding right color scheme, then right modernized logo that has to resemble old logo, etc. When you get right down to it, fans didn't get everything on their "laundry list" of demands so now you have a lot of uproar. Like I mentioned on earlier post it really comes down to Buffalo not being willing to embrace change of any kind, IMO. Otherwise you would have a new Peace Bridge built by now for crissakes. You wouldn't have people fighting over the preservation of the Aud (even Yankee Stadium is getting razed in the name of advancement/progress), and you wouldn't have people getting all up in arms when someone tries to build a business on Elmwood Avenue because some decrepit house deemed "historic" needs to come down . Again, it's all part of the same mindset why the city is so backwards. 29,000 people who signed the petition would have been better served knocking down Erie County/Buffalo City Council's door (not Larry Quinn's) about why Buffalo has been in a depression for 30 years. This whole saga eally symbolizes what's wrong with WNY on a lot of levels. One other thing: Everyone complaining about this logo now characterizes it as a "mullet" or a "slug" to belittle it, but let's face it, you can do that with any type of design to try to get your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I will grant you that there are always going to be people who had the logo, regardless of who designed it, the colors, whatever. But I think it really takes a pile of spectacular crap to get so many fans riled up on this one, and its gotten to the point that its almost "anything but the slug." Think about when the goathead came out - it didn't blow anyone away, but the team also didn't have to hold impromptu press conferences to plead with the fans for their patience and support. I think right now they could switch to almost any of the Celsius designs (just an example) and people would say, "OK, that's better than that crappy slug." Some disjointed thoughts: To compare the slug petition to the statre of WNY's economy is kind of silly - its not like you can march into the mayor's office, air your grievances, and they can wave a magic wand and make 3+ decades of overtaxing, government ineptitude, political infighting and crime disappear. Don't get me wrong, the political situation in WNY and NYS is so bad it's damn near laughable, and the Peace Bridge, what to do with the Aud and the proposed casino are all great examples a city that can't get out of its own way. But in this case the fans, who support the franchise by buying tickets, Center Ice packages, and memorabilia, can and should demand that the team fix this hideous logo & futuristic crap that the Sabres will be asking the public to shell out their limited discretionary funds for in the form of jerseys, hats, t-shirts, and more. Here's an idea, maybe the Sabres shouldn't have screwed up this new uniform rollout so bad that its all the fans can talk about. We just had one of the most successful seasons in franchise history, yet LQ & co. wanted to show everyone how smart they are, (sounds like another Buffalo team president that we just got rid of...) and managed to roll out one of the worst-conceived logos in the history of sport. In the process they managed to take the focus off the players, coaches and team, and shine it on their own arrogance. Maybe these 29,000 who signed the petition realize that Larry Quinn has corrupted the idea of returning the team's tradition by turning it into some shoe company-, Madison Avenue-inspired experiment on how much money they can wring out of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 It all comes down to whether people buy the merchandise or don't. If Sabres fans pull a NYI boycott, the new logo is gone in 2 years and we return to the original logo with updated colours. One can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 It all comes down to whether people buy the merchandise or don't. If Sabres fans pull a NYI boycott, the new logo is gone in 2 years and we return to the original logo with updated colours. One can only hope. Actually, I believe they changed the logo because the fans said it was offensive to them because "They are not fisherman" and because the team is called the islanders, people would assume they are all fisherman on the island (or something stupid like that). They did not change the jersey back just because the fans didn't buy it. I also thought they threatened lawsuit because they claimed it offensive (but I could be wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I've seen people allude to a lawsuit by Gorton's in various forums and message boards, but I can't find any reputable news sources that mention any reason for the change other than being unpopular: 1995/96: Under new Coach Mike Milburry the Islanders had a new look. Gone was the traditional NY logo, which was replaced by an awful fisherman logo that looked just like The Gorton's Fisherman. Isles fans rejected the logo while opposing fans taunt the Islanders with calls of "We want Fishsticks." The year would be a total disaster as the Islanders finished in last place again with an awful record of 22-50-10. Along the way the Islanders fired GM Don Maloney who fans blamed for the team's downfall as Mike Millbury added GM to his list of duties with Islanders. In addition the Islanders would be sold to John Spano for $165 million dollars as the season wound down. 1996/97: The Islanders celebrated their 25th anniversary with the news that their unpopular fisherman logo was being put out to sea. However, since the team failed to make the deadline for a uniform and logo change fans would have to the Isles had to endure the calls of fishtsticks one more season. However, the Islanders often wore a 3rd jersey featuring the classic NY logo. The Islanders would finish in last place again with a record of 29-41-12. However, with rookie defenseman Bryan Berard posting 40 assists while capturing the Calder Trophy the Isles appeared to be heading in the right direction. http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/nyi/nylsanders.html Assuming the slug sales struggle as much as some are predicting (myself included) I cannot see a team that milks the small market financial angle like the Sabres ignore poor merchandise sales. And I am sure the NHL would give them some regular, friendly reminders that their jersey, t-shirt, hat sales are struggling. The league and the other clubs will be watching the sales of the Sabres new "futuristic" jerseys to see if other clubs can benefit from an updated look. BTW, just one other thought - could you ever see a team like the Red Wings, Leafs, Canadiens rolling out such a non-traditional look? Then why is it OK for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamin'Weasel Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I've seen people allude to a lawsuit by Gorton's in various forums and message boards, but I can't find any reputable news sources that mention any reason for the change other than being unpopular: 1995/96: Under new Coach Mike Milburry the Islanders had a new look. Gone was the traditional NY logo, which was replaced by an awful fisherman logo that looked just like The Gorton's Fisherman. Isles fans rejected the logo while opposing fans taunt the Islanders with calls of "We want Fishsticks." The year would be a total disaster as the Islanders finished in last place again with an awful record of 22-50-10. Along the way the Islanders fired GM Don Maloney who fans blamed for the team's downfall as Mike Millbury added GM to his list of duties with Islanders. In addition the Islanders would be sold to John Spano for $165 million dollars as the season wound down. 1996/97: The Islanders celebrated their 25th anniversary with the news that their unpopular fisherman logo was being put out to sea. However, since the team failed to make the deadline for a uniform and logo change fans would have to the Isles had to endure the calls of fishtsticks one more season. However, the Islanders often wore a 3rd jersey featuring the classic NY logo. The Islanders would finish in last place again with a record of 29-41-12. However, with rookie defenseman Bryan Berard posting 40 assists while capturing the Calder Trophy the Isles appeared to be heading in the right direction. http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/nyi/nylsanders.html Assuming the slug sales struggle as much as some are predicting (myself included) I cannot see a team that milks the small market financial angle like the Sabres ignore poor merchandise sales. And I am sure the NHL would give them some regular, friendly reminders that their jersey, t-shirt, hat sales are struggling. The league and the other clubs will be watching the sales of the Sabres new "futuristic" jerseys to see if other clubs can benefit from an updated look. BTW, just one other thought - could you ever see a team like the Red Wings, Leafs, Canadiens rolling out such a non-traditional look? Then why is it OK for us? I have long told people a huge reason for the retirement of the fisherman was due to taunting by opposing teams and few have believed me. Things to consider, however, are the proximity of the Rangers and Devils to the Islanders in all this. Buffalo does not have a relationship like that with other teams. However, if many opposing arena fans chant, "Slugs! Slugs!" maybe that could be the push that will make the management think about a change in the future. Low sales will not be as big a hint (if they continue to make loads of cash on the third jersey (after all they did already pay for the new logo and merch, so why call it a wash until at least most/all of the cost has been returned via third jersey sales?)) as it would be with mocking by opposing fans added to it. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsoj25 Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I believe a lot of the backlash on the new logo is being done by a very loud minority, I think the majority of the fans will (perhaps reluctantly) accept the new logo and it will grow on them just the way the goat-head did. It is certainly no where near as bad as some would make it seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screamin'Weasel Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Slightly off topic, but not wanting to start another logo thread, look at this corporate logo in the link below...hmmm...me thinks the Sabre's logo designer was aware of this when he made the bison logo. Corporate Logo in upper right corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickdraw Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Slightly off topic, but not wanting to start another logo thread, look at this corporate logo in the link below...hmmm...me thinks the Sabre's logo designer was aware of this when he made the bison logo. Corporate Logo in upper right corner LOL, if that isn't a blatant ripoff I don't know what is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Dance Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Slightly off topic, but not wanting to start another logo thread, look at this corporate logo in the link below...hmmm...me thinks the Sabre's logo designer was aware of this when he made the bison logo. Hmmm...amazingly similar logo - nice catch, Weasel! Why is this beginning to remind me of the NBC logo snafu back in 1976? The network was tired of the peacock and paid untold thousands of dollars to a logo design firm for a fresh, new look. After some months in preparation, NBC rolled out a stylized "N" consisting of two trapezoids, one blue, one red. Only problem was that Nebraska Educational TV had an identical logo already in use, except it was all red. NBC "donated" $800,000 worth of equipment to Nebraska ETV in return for the rights to the new logo, as well as shelling out another $55,000 to have a new logo designed for NETV. How much do you think it is going to cost the Sabres, Reebok and the NHL to pay off CMC Markets when this inevitably hits the papers? -Ed :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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