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  1. 17 minutes ago, Thorny said:

    Erroneous. Bogo made the trade request. 

    How is this honestly still a thing when we saw it applied to ROR when he was dealt, when he then proceeded to win a Conn Smythe? Baby/bath water. I know you know Jack is good enough to be the best player on a cup team. The fact that it's arguable we could win it with a Best Player worse than Jack doesn't correlate to having Jack not being a very good thing.

    The implication of your argument is basically, "who cares if we lose him, weren't winning with him". If I'm ever drowning and treading water waiting for a lifeguard, I'll be sure to chop my nuts off to save on weight as they sure as shite ain't helping me right now, amirite? The fact that they'd be an incredible aid to my inherent biological pursuits me and my wife share should I ever address the actual issue is not something I need to worry about right now. 

    Sobotka. 

    What trade? He signed with Tampa as a free agent.

  2. 1 hour ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:

    You missed my point: the other side has to play "Santa Claus" -- of course they are unrealistic.  I would move Eichel if the trade made me say, "well, of course I will make the trade."  That does not mean I am looking to move Eichel, I am looking to move Eichel, I want to move Eichel, I expect to move Eichel, etc.

    My point is that you "never say never".  You move Eichel for a Lindros-type return, not an ROR-type return.  And the return has to be so obvious that we would want to charge the arena with pitch-forks and torches if he turned it down.

    I didn't miss your point any more than you missed mine. 

    I think we actually agree. I'm just one that likes to bring both sides of the equation to the forefront for argument sake.

     

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  3. 13 minutes ago, Trettioåtta said:

    If Edmonton offered McDavid and Drai and their first and agreed to retain 50% of their salaries for Eichel, would you do it?

    Obviously you would. So there is no point making great claims about how untradeable someone is. A GM should listen for EVERY player. No one is untouchable, they just have an extortionate price.

    If you offered #8, Eichel and Dahlin for Crosby, do you think they say no? Even though he is the face of the NHL, has brought them 3 cups etc.

     

     

    This just proves absolutely nothing. Those trade offers are not realistic. Of course those offers would be accepted.

    Now, turn it around....

    Buffalo offers Oilers Eichel, Cozens and #8 and retains 50% of Eichels salary for McDavid, Draisaitl, and their 1st, does Edmonton say yes?

    Pitt offers us Crosby for Eichel, Dahlin, and #8...does Buffalo day yes?

     

  4. 5 hours ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:

    I want someone back there that can provide feedback on players around the league and show them what to look for on faceoffs, I want someone who's been through battles against guys/teams for years and come out on top, I want someone back there our younger guys can be proud to emulate, I want someone to teach based on experience and accomplishments, not because they had an impressive junior career and were a high draft pick.  

    It's about maximizing return on young players.  It's not just about putting in the time - ask 90% of the players in the AHL...

    Sounds like you want Chara, Weber, or a Doughty at a cost of about $1.5M to play on 2nd/3rd pairing to teach the kids.

    I like the Brendon Dillon suggestion someone made.

  5. 5 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

    At number 8 I’d have to say looking for work ethic and grit would probably not be at the top of my list. Does Braydon Pointe play with edge? I’d expect any player you pick at that point in the dr@ft had better have a work ethic. I’d be focused more on talent there. 

    Calling Casey Mittelstadt to the nearest phone....Casey Mittelstadt, please.

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  6. 1 hour ago, Weave said:

    You’re stretching.

    Why not negotiate a bigger list to cover the Sabres? Other players have larger lists.

    Just because a player doesn't "think" a team will trade for him doesn't mean he wouldn't want to go there. Did anyone think (including BOGO) that he would get signed by Tampa? I'm sure he was happy they did.

  7. 10 minutes ago, Thorny said:

    The one thing I'll say for Risto - his ability to be physical and get under the skin of certain opponents never seems to counter-act enough of his defensive woes for me to be satisfied consistently with his play during the regular season, but I've always thought the value of that particular aspect would theoretically go up once he got into a playoff series where the player (s) he was annoying couldn't get away after one game, especially considering the NHL prescribes to a different set of rules come post-season, basically. 

    We do have a long tradition of not giving players the environment they need to showcase their best assets to the best of their usefulness. 

     

    I disagree. I don't think the results would be good if he pissed off Ovi in a playoff series.

    This doesn't mean I wouldn't mind seeing it.

  8. 29 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    This is why you need to bring analytics into the conversation. For example Seth Jarvis was something like 5th in controlled entries for draft eligible players, where as Quinn I think was 20th or something, I wish I had the tweet but that is when you can dive into the numbers and really figure it out. 

    But what does that have to do with Lundell piece you quoted?

    Just asking for my wife.

  9. 8 minutes ago, Taro T said:

    Whichever RHD would bring back the bigger haul is the one that should be traded.  Ristolainen or Montour, don't care (and wouldn't that be something if somebody really needed a PP pointman and wanted Miller for that role!) but 1 needs to go.

    Personally, don't see Risto get lost on the PK nearly as much as he does 5v5 as teams don't cycle nearly as much on the PP as they do 5v5 and it is easier for him to remain disciplined.  And, can't see him ever fully breaking that habit 5v5 as it is simply too engrained in his play by now.

    Hoping whoever comes in as the 3rd LHD is good at PK as McCabe really shouldn't be their best D at the PK, but IMHO he is.

    Fair point.

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  10. 8 minutes ago, Taro T said:

     

    Absolutely agree that in the past the Rasmi have been far less than the sum of their parts when paired together.

    Would hope the top 2 pairings are as you propose although would be pleasantly surprised if the 3rd LHD could drop McCabe to the 3rd pairing.  Expect Dahlin to get the lion's share of ES & PP duty amongst the LHD & Ristolainen (or Montour, should he be the one left when the music stops) to get the bulk of the ES & PK duty amongst the RHD but with the 2 of them on the ice together seldom (excepting overlap of their primary shifts).

    Expecting (hoping) the 2 (assuming Risto remains) get used the way Anaheim typically deployed Pronger & Niedermayer- almost always having 1 on the ice but rarely having them both until crunch time.  If each play 25 minutes / game (quite realistic based on prior usage and Dahlin's continued maturation), then then other 4 only have to split up to 70 minutes/ between them (& likely less as both PP units can run 4-1), so the other 2 in the top 4 can get ~20-22/ game & 3rd pairing gets ~12-15 / game if they aren't fully trusted and closer to everybody else getting ~17-18/ game if all 6 are trusted.

    If Montour remains, would put it 50/50 he pairs w/ Dahlin, but would expect his usage closer to 23/game.

    I think this line of thought is why some want Risto traded (or feel it's the best option). Most would agree that his game in the D-zone leaves something of a question yet, here you are putting him on the PK.

    I've always thought that if someone could get him to stop chasing opponents behind the net and get him to use his D partner more, he could be a better and more reliable Dman (more complete). Myers used to do the same thing frustrating me to no end.

  11. 4 minutes ago, Curt said:

    Thanks for participating.

    I think your definition runs closer to my thought that the “best” 31 C’s in the league should be considered 1Cs.  And I agree that it makes total sense that a team without an “elite” 1C may not consider it a team strength.  Not every 1C is going to be someone that you actually WANT to be your best C.

    After a quick glance, one guy that I would add to your list is Hertl.  I think he has met your criteria over the past couple years.

    I'm surprised when I see these lists that there's never any love for Giroux.

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