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20 hours ago, Brawndo said:
Seattle just fired Bob Woods-hire him as a PP Specialist for one season
JBot don't like him 🙂
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3 hours ago, Palm Trees And Taxes said:
The only way I am dealing Helenius is in a package for a player like Jordan Kyrou or Jason Robertson
Well good for you. Enjoy missing the playoffs forever.
35 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:2 years. I'm glad Krebs will block him from the NHL. He could be a 2nd line center someday with the right dev path.
3 years for proper development. But otherwise yes.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
People can belittle it all they want, but “throwing away the future for a single playoff berth” shouldn’t be a stance that shares headspace with “we have to acknowledge the difficulties of team building in a market no one wants to go to”
both are frequently used as defence for why we aren’t winning, and not infrequently by the same author.
Winning begets winning. Want to have an easier time attracting players? Want to win more in the future? Win now
if you can’t do it by ordinary means, sell out to do it. You aren’t going to win later without winning now so you have no choice
This is the crux of it. Big grandiose schemes and plans or just simply trying to win now.
As an example the rumor now is Bennett will stay in Florida for an 8x8 deal. You can hear the negative deep analysts already proclaiming "that contract won't age well", "they will regret that at the end" "too much too long term for an aging player" blah blah blah but Florida don't give a F. They will do what they have to do to keep the team cup competitive for the next 3-4 years and if after that they have some trail off and bloated contracts SFW? They'll have cups, and playoff revenue and they can worry about a tear down and rebuild after those 4 years. It's an attitude for competitiveness and you either have it or you don't, and the Sabres don't.
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3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
So he's not another undersized finesse player? Who knew?
Who. Knew.
Stop talking about E-Rod. Get over it . 🙂
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10 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:
Ok, but it doesn't matter if you admit it. That's not what makes it true.
You can still hate KA and acknowledge the obvious.
You know (and don't take this personal, it's just a general feeling I have), the bottom line is I don't really give a flying F if KA won a trade or got more for one guy than another one and we can argue those things but really who cares? He didn't and can't seem to construct a winning roster despite having multiple years on the job, multiple picks and multiple opportunities. Who cares if one guy wins an award or one guy is better than a previous guy, Adams is in year 6 now and the team is still garbage. That's all that matters to me.
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3 hours ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:
Did we really win the Risto trade. What was that? Three years ago? Rosen has zero goals and zero assists in the NHL. Philly has at least gotten three years of a physical, veteran RHD. Oh yeah, wouldn’t it be nice to have one of those.
No they haven't. He's spent most of it injured.
2 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:No, he won the Mitts trade.
I won't say that until I see what he gets for Byram.
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4 minutes ago, Thorny said:
What it is is revisionist. People are incredibly happy to point out when sabres players do better elsewhere, what, it can’t work the other way? The fact it does on other teams in fact proves it can work in the opposite. Casey was statistically our best F at the time we dealt him - he was demonstrably good, here. If I had to guess if he’s still he that guy, here, if he was, I’d have to say yes
“Mitts for Byram was good because although Casey produced more for our team Byram is the better trade asset” is last-decade thinking
get off that treadmill
I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on. Since Byram was only here for a year if we do trade him we have to look at what we get there and ultimately that's what we got for Mitts in net terms with Adams in charge.
I'm actually kind of interested to see what happens to Mitts in Boston. Nothing to do with liking the Bruins just speaking objectively on this point. Colorado thought he could be a 2C and he just never fit and they bailed on him for the presumably more playoff ready Coyle. Now they hate Coyle though so maybe it's something in Colorado? Mitts did not look good end of the Bruins season but that team was a mess in disarray in full on tank mode. How he functions on what appears will be a highly structured shut down defensive team next season is a mystery. I don't think it will go well for him but you never know.
I personally think Byram is overrated and most of all I think Byram is overrated in Byram's head. Maybe he can thrive somewhere as a top offensive D man but I have my doubts about that too.
We shall what Adams gets for him. If he's traded.
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10 hours ago, JP51 said:
I agree here, I believe this year, this summer is critical... if you dont make the playoffs this year... (and we must remember that the people we are in the cellar with are lapping us with improvement) then I cannot see Dahlin and Thompson standing for going into year 9 or 10 of no playoffs... and even if Tuch signs... when will he want to have a functional career with a functional franchise... and quite honestly with the lack of change at the helm and committment to transforming the FO, the difficulty of luring free agents with the win or die attitude to help improve the team, the battle we have with no trade clauses in player for player trades making it almost impossible to get the best player in the trade... or one who will help up transform the team. I think we are closer to a rebuild then we are the playoffs at this point. This summer and our performance next year will ultimately tell the tale... but I fear we are ultimately looking at a massive overhaul in the FO with a potential tear down or at least a major re tool involving current core players that are late 20s and up
I agree with you and that's a further point on the problem with not firing Adams and turning it over to a new (experienced) NHL GM. With Adams kept people around the league scratch their heads and think how does he keep his job, and players in free agency aren't going to think Buffalo's got it right now I'm interested. They're going to think same old loser franchise no thank you. A new guy could at least announce "the losing stops now and we will fully commit to winning now" etc. and even if it's bs it at least might set the tone and some people might buy in.
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11 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:
No. You stop thinking your way. lol.
Look, I get it. It’s been way too long since we’ve been in the playoffs and people are getting impatient. But you can’t sacrifice your entire future just to put up a winning team finally. Because that success will be short lived. I’m young enough where I plan on being a fan in 10-20 years still. I hate seeing all these old and impatient fans getting mad when we might dare draft a player in the top 10 when he might not help us win “right now”. It’s ok if a player needs 2-3 years. We need those type of players too. Every successful franchise does.Okay look, the prospect cupboard is full. There's almost too many of them. Trading some of them to start winning now and creating a winning culture where players will want to be here again is NOT going to sacrifice your future. The future never comes if you stay this course. Trust the old fans. We've seen these things before.
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7 hours ago, Taro T said:
Byram out for a legit top 4 solid 2 way or defensive D-man that's in or very close to his prime and a 1st makes sense IF that 1st (or the Sabres 1st) is going out the door with Peterka and a piece like Rosen (that ends up the LITTLE bit extra to make the trade happen) for Robertson.
It's the ONLY way trading Byram for pieces makes sense if the goal is to make the Sabres better NOW.
Why would you think they could get a top 4 defensive D man AND a first for Byram? Good top 4 defensive D men are highly sought after and not way below Byram's offensive D man value. Not good ones.
I'm sticking with it. If you truly want to improve the D your trade chip is Norris.
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2 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:
KA won the trade.
I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better.
I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)
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6 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:
And that’s fine. We need a future too
Stop thinking that way. Sabres have been doing that for 15 years now. That future never gets here because it's always paid for by the present.
6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:Thank god
Finally don't need 19 and 20yr olds in the lineup.
Yes I agree with that, but I also don't think the current line up is anywhere close to being a playoff team. Without additions it'll be another year of futility and if Tuch leaves or Dahlin wants out it'll go backwards not forwards.
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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Slow the F down. Helenius is in the AHL and is 18 (19 now) versus Peterka who's 23 and in the NHL. When Helenius gets to the NHL, you might be able to say this bolded. Suggesting that we have some mythical young piece coming that will be a 30g 60pt player while they're 4 more years out is how you end up in a perpetual rebuild.
Yes I see the trade Peterka for Robertson part but we cant count on Helenius for anything yet.
I don't see anybody in Rochester ready to take a spot next season (not counting Kulich who already likely earned one this year). Maybe Kozak if we don't upgrade the bottom at all and they will likely elevate Levi but I don't think he's ready either. Helenius is 3 years away likely. You could argue 2-4 depending. But not soon.
2 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:I’m excited to see him and Östlund battle it out for roles on this team.
2-3 years from now.
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39 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:
Philly makes sense but I dont see the fit on return, sure Tyson Forester would be a great return but i doubt they move him
We could use Hathaway or DLO for the 4th line
Seeler and Sanheim both have no moves with Sanheim blocking a trade to st louis last year so forsure he would block one here
unless we want Risto back I just dont see the fit
I do see a Philly trade that would work being Samulssen for Hathaway or DLO, get Sammy to the org where his dad works, they apparently were interested last year, and just getting Hathaway or DLO accounts for his low value, but also gives us something we are missing for the 4th line, and frees up a bit of cap space in the process
That's not happening. Philly would be interested in moving pick(s) for Byram because they think it's time to start winning (I think they might be premature on this myself and can easily screw it up rushing) but you aren't getting significant roster player(s) for him.
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50 minutes ago, inkman said:
From a roster building standpoint, trading Mitts for Byram didn’t help much. From an asset standpoint, they got a highly moveable, valuable asset for a player that appears to be playing his way out of the league.
That is true in hindsight, but at the time Mitts was not seen that way.
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1 hour ago, dudacek said:
Trading Mitts for Byram was smart.
Trading Byram for a first now when you could sign him for two years, then trade him for that same 1st as rental, that would be stupid.
Why was trading him for Mitts smart? This put everything on Cozens and Cozens didn't deliver. That's a mistake. I'm not a Mitts fan and I was actually laughing today listening to a Marco Sturm interview where he said, about Mitts, "I am going to talk to him and we will see. He has to be better". Byram was not the guy we needed and Mitts removal created a hole. Now it's Norris. It's not improvement, it's just rearranging and staying the same.
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1 hour ago, Mr. Allen said:
I almost guarantee Brierre lowballed Adams.
Probably but if the rumor of a lower first is a thing Philly has those assets and their D isn't deep. Byram could be their #1 PP guy and take the pressure off Drysdale. I could see the interest from them in any event.
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3 hours ago, dudacek said:
Byram for a late 1st would be a great deal for whoever is getting Byram
Correct. I suspect Philly has made this offer. Adams is likely just waiting to see who is available in the draft or if someone else will offer more. San Jose likely wants him as well.
It would be another example of Adams failure. Mitts out, a one year D man rental in and then ultimately a low first is all we have to show for it. How would you have felt last year if Mitts was traded for a low first? This was all stupid from the start.
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Perfect. We just increased his value for a now player.
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5 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:
To the bold: And Buffalo is (or at least was) a favored American market, just like Detroit. I imagine the league was ecstatic when Pegula purchased the team, because finally the team that refused to pay Peca, had been in league control, and lost Hasek, was finally going to spend, build an arena/facility/hotel to host tournaments, etc. This was a market that had high ratings on NBC regardless of who was playing. And then... they spent their money on Leino, Ehrhoff, Moulson, and broke LaFontaine, and announced they were tanking 2 years before McDavid and... they've gotten what they deserved.
The favored markets are for their tv revenues and future expansion. This is why they tried to prop up Phoenix so long. They definitely wanted exposure there. They will roll out the red carpet for Atlanta. This is also why they will not address the tax issue. They want more hockey in the south and Florida and Texas etc help feed that. They know hockey will not die in Canada so they don't care about any Canadian franchise. I also think teams like Buffalo are just taken for granted and they aren't really concerned about them.
Bettman has been all about expansion and growth since day 1 and the owners love it as all their franchise values have skyrocketed and expansion fees are just gravy for them.
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8 hours ago, JohnC said:
Your logic is confusing. As you point out, Adams apparently didn’t feel his injury history was an impediment in dealing for him. So why would he trade him?
I'm saying I would. I'm not Adams. Adams is an idiot.
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1 hour ago, dudacek said:
Exactly. This isn't about "we have to get rid of JJ".
It's about stepping away from moves on the margins and asking "what meaningful asset can we afford to give up?"
This is about selling high on a very good player of certain skill set for very good player or players for a skill set we lack.
Would we be "selling high" though? or does he still have even more upside? I'm not sure, but I think he can still be better. Not sure he can do that in this system as a Sabre but I'm not sure he's peaked yet either.
I personally want the make up of this roster altered but I also know I'm unlikely to get that.
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Well here's the problem. If you trade away every player who says they aren't happy here you end up with a lot of players saying they aren't happy here so they can be traded. It's a precedent. It's the never ending downward spiral and it has already been said that we have become the league's farm team. I don't know if there's a way out of it with constant half measures.
I want to add to this roster not subtract from it. If I can upgrade sure, but trade away to trade away no, that's not progress.
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5 hours ago, JohnC said:
If you deeply believe that Norris can’t and won’t stay healthy, then why do you believe other organizations won’t have made the same assessment?
Not everybody is going to believe what I believe. I think Ottawa likely felt that way but Adams didn't. Maybe there's others who feel he's worth the gamble. idk.
Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft
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I don't disagree but I'd differentiate in one way. It's fair to say Byram is the better player of Byram and Mitts, especially the way Mitts has trailed off over last season. But Byram wasn't the guy we needed and if we now trade Byram I don't see how it matters unless we get some great return. Then I guess it's a "win".
The main point for me though is I don't care about winning any of the trades. As long as the roster gets better. As long as he fills the actual holes, then I'm not overly concerned with the price he pays to do that. All that matters to me is the season starting roster and having a roster that could make the playoffs. It's going to take a number of moves to make that a realistic possibility.