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1 hour ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:
Whatever their flaws, I think it is churlish bordering on slander to view Eichel, Reinhart, and Ristolainen as slackers and prima-donnas.
churlish slander. lol. give me a f'n break.
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2 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Yes, we all realize you were talking about team defense and not JUST the D-men which is why the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH which you chose not to quote was talking about the team's centers. You know, the forwards that have the greatest responsibility towards the team defense out of the forwards.
Goaltending is also a key component to team defense. It also was addressed in the post you selectively quoted.
Why so disingenuous in your response?
I don't think I was, but it's about all the players not just the centers.
I'm just fed up with this dumbass hockey team and I am 90% sure they think they are on to something and it's an illusion and unless they tear it down we're going to be stuck with this crap for next year and after.
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10 minutes ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:
Let us turn this around. Construct a plausible trade with another team which you would accept and a majority of posters here would find acceptable. I trust the overall evaluation of the fairness of a potential trade here. Your limitations are:
1. Use the threads on other hockey boards as examples of your trade's expected return.
2. You are not to exceed the best offer on all the boards which is acceptable to a majority of fans of your trade partner on those boards.
3. A majority of Sabres fans who have access to that board think the trade is acceptable.
Good luck.
Until you and others do this and give me multiple possibilities, I can not take anyone's desire to just trade Eichel willy-nilly seriously because we could be staring at 15 years of a rebuild when everyone else wants out.
You ask this knowing it's impossible. There will never be full agreement for a variety of reasons. Too many age differences, hockey knowledge differences, ideological views, fan loyalty blindness, hero worshippers, etc etc you can go on and on. And that doesn't even include having to argue with analytics above all else people!
I'm trading Eichel for Byfield Turcotte and whatever draft picks you need to balance it and make it happen and then I'm using his money to sign some FAs and I'm going to have the start of a better team.
I'm also trading Reinhart and Risto.
and if he won't leave, I'm having Skinner clean toilets and carry equipment bags instead of playing cause I'm sick of this bs hockey team and their slacker loser ways.
Happy?
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1 hour ago, eman said:
I am betting Ottawa surpasses the Sabres easily in the upcoming season and the next few after that. Effort is never an issue with that club. DJ Smith is a good coach and their talent is progressing. They play a good brand of hockey and it's entertaining.
Exactly. Because they tore it all down and got rid of all the slackers and prima donnas. Started a rebuild with attitude and effort as the core principle. We should follow that path. and you can't do it building around the old core.
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2 hours ago, Taro T said:
Agree that Gallant would be a better choice than Granato.
But, the D zone coverage is what it is. They're playing 3 rookies on D and have made Dahlin-Jokiharju a go to pairing. Those 2 work extremely well together up ice & heading up ice. In their own zone & in transition back, not so much. Ristolainen is the only other guy back there & we all know his issues.
I'm actually not talking about the defensemen, but rather team defense. I think Girardi has done a much better job with the young D than Smith ever did. If we brought in new coaches I'd actually consider retaining him.
I'm looking at the horrendous defensive job our forwards do as something that's not really improving. Zone entry for the Bruins was so incredibly easy. Our forwards coming back often do nothing, except sometimes coast back to the bench (which even that they do poorly). We will never be any good without improving team D. I have to think that was Kreuger's thought/plan, he just couldn't implement it properly and then the offense struggled as a result etc vicious circle. I suppose the question is can these players be taught proper team D ? Because sometimes I think most of them can't seem to do both, play offense AND defense.
This is why I like the idea of Gallant. He had both his teams playing great D when they had limited offense at their disposal.
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2 hours ago, Taro T said:
In BACK TO BACKS.
He had a day of rest after each of the last 2 starts. He is 22 years old and you believe he can't play hockey every other day for nearly an entire week. Again, seriously?
Realizing it's been a seriously long time since the Sabres have been in a playoff game, but most of those games are played every other day. Would you suggest that teams need to platoon their goaltending in the playoffs? (You know, when the games are actually intense?)
I'm simply suggesting that our goalies are over worked and thus subject to additional physical strains and, as it has happened, more injuries.
Go ahead and believe it's just bad luck if you want to.
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The team defense is not progressing under Granato. Gallant would be a better coach imo and I think Boudreau's comment is correct. The foundation Ottawa is building on is far more durable. They are going to be a tough team to play against next season and as the skill gets added to that, they will be better than us.
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1 hour ago, Taro T said:
Seriously? Luukkonnen's injury was due to overuse? Huh?
This was his THIRD consecutive start and only his 4th NHL game total, where with each of the 3 straight he had a day off in between games. If he can't handle THAT workload, he'll NEVER be an NHLer.
There are numerous articles on the subject. Performance is down in back to backs and tired players (especially goalies) are more likely to get injured.
Here's one I found quickly on the performance angle.
https://www.nhl.com/news/super-16-analytics-say-rest-goalies-on-back-to-backs/c-734778
Now as for the injuries, it's pretty simple logic really. For one, our goalies face a lot of shots and a lot of traffic. They have to work harder than goalies on a good team that can play D. So, logically, more tired than average.
Second, when you're tired your reactions are slower. As a goalie if you're a slight step behind in any movements or reactions maybe you have to reach or extend further on a play than you would have normally, moving quicker, boom, pulled groin, wrenched knee, whatever. It's pretty obvious imo.
Or do you just think it's "bad luck"?
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It's not bad luck, it's ridiculous management.
It's hard in this league to have any goalie start night after night and this season is especially exhausting. I am sure overplaying these guys is leading to the problems. UPL should not have started this game.
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6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
The team can't score. Yet your idea is to remove it's highest producing player. That makes 0 sense without an insane trade.
It's more complicated than just that.
But in the simplest short terms (it will be discussed again post season I am sure) I simply do not think psychologically or in terms of team building and team chemistry it is a good idea at this point to go back to making this team all about Eichel. Is Jack happy? Does Jack want to be here? What's wrong with Jack? etc etc etc ad infinitum. I do not think it would be good for truly trying to turn this thing around.
Not trading Eichel only works if, and it's a huge if, there is instant success next year, and I'd suggest that is very very unlikely.
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27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
The popular fan take back then was the Sabres were gonna let Skinner slip away. No one was in favor of that.
I said if they couldn't sign him before the deadline they should trade him then and I don't think I was alone. It was the dumbest contract in the league and being stuck with it handicaps this team for the long haul.
Since Granato has taken over there's a fair bit of youthful exuberance, but they're not learning anything. This team cannot defend. Bruins zone entries were so incredibly easy, Easy easy game for them.
Say what you want about Hall, but he's opened up the ice for Krejci and their second line is now so much better than it was when they had DeBrusk in there. This synergy is exactly what we were supposed to see with him and Eichel but it wasn't there at all. Eichel injured from game 1? maybe. Not engaged? maybe. The actual answer to this question (why does Krejci-Hall work but Eichel-Hall didn't?) is probably important.
Lastly, this team is totally dumbass. When I saw UPL was starting again, I thought that's a dumb mistake and poor goalie management and now he's injured. Not saying that's the cause, but it might be a contributing factor, How does this team not realize you simply cannot play goalies night after night, especially with so many shots and so much traffic in their zone.
This franchise is the dumbest team in hockey.
Oh ya, almost forgot. I wish the refs had let Marchand and Dahlin go. I really wanted to see what kind of fight he had in him. Missed opportunity.
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I don't think the Defensive Depth is "very good" just that it's gotten back to normal or average and that seems 'very good" because it was a disaster when JBot arrived. So he gets some credit for that.
Lots of young players so plenty of potential upside. It COULD mean in a year or two (maybe three) our D is very good but a lot of things still have to go right. If I was in charge I would still keep adding to the pipeline every draft.
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21 hours ago, Brawndo said:
Both Granato benching Eakin and Irwin speaks volumes for Granato though
This is unknown. He may simply be doing what he is told. Adams etc. may have said play the kids so we can see what we got. We know what Irwin and Eakin are etc.
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4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Hopefully it puts to rest the idea of trading Jack Eichel.
Quite the opposite imo.
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3 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said:
This is just wrong. Who are you rooting for?
Cooke > Avery > Marchand > McSorely
This is silly. Marchand is an incredibly talented player. One of the best in the game. If he was a Sabre you'd absolutely love him and his jersey would be a best seller.
So ya, you hate him cause he's one of them, but he doesn't fit in that list at all.
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Good game until the last few minutes. We're definitely a better team than we were earlier in the year.
It was nice to hear the Boston announcers say "Buffalo is no longer an easy 2 points" as they were laughing at us earlier in the season.
A little push back on the March-antics too. Nice to see.
Progress.
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2 hours ago, JohnC said:
A prospect lacking discipline is a good reason to lower the ranking of that particular type of unruly player. Playing dumb doesn't add points to your ranking----it takes away points from your evaluation score.
Exactly. Which is why he's going to be a steal for whoever gets him.
Now sure, maybe he never grows up and never gets it, but with the proper development and coaching I think he will.
Today's the NFL draft as I'm sure you know. There are countless examples of players who fell in the ranking for various issues and problems and then went on to great careers. Arguably you take a chance, but you have to remember these guys are young and young does stupid but also grows up. Usually.
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32 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:
Imagine if Boston took Barzal, Connor and Chabot with those 3 first picks. They were the 3 players selected right after Debrusk, Sensyhyn and Zorbril went to Boston.🤣
Ya, no kidding. I've mentioned this one before when we were bitching about Sabres bad drafting. Bruins totally had the right idea loading picks in a very deep draft year but then totally blew it. I can see the DeBrusk pick. The old family lineage scouting bias strikes again, and Zoboril does play in their top 6 now but Senyshyn was a total bust. The players they passed on all so much better.
Now if we hadn't picked Nylander................. 🙂
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54 minutes ago, JohnC said:
With the higher pick we are more likely to come away with a top tier prospect. Moving down for a player that you consider a steal lessens the chances for getting the better prospect. If the player that you consider is the steal of the draft then why isn't he ranked higher by scouts that follow the prospects\? I'm not against using our extra picks to trade up for a prospect that we are interested after the first pick. But I'm not going to get cute and try to out-smart everyone else only to end up out-smarting oneself.
I think he gets marked down because of his lack of discipline. He's hard to rank.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
Why do you think L'heureux will be the steal of the draft? What about the player makes you think that?
I think he's the next Marchand, I really do. He lacks discipline but he's young. So a pest at first but eventually he could grow into that type of two way scorer as well.
He has really good puck control skills and uses them to drive to the net. Not afraid of anything. Good passer and excellent wrist shot. Just like Marchand. Will go right to the dirty areas and would be a perfect complimentary player for some of our fast skilled guys. Exactly what we lack. At best Marchand. At worst Barnaby.
55 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:And Boston didn’t trade down from #1 to draft him because they didn’t know he would be the player he turned out to be. I have no problem with you liking the player but trading down from 1 for him is asinine. Move the 2nd and a player to move up and get him.
That is of course another option, but we don't have all that many trade pieces. The details of any deal up or down are impossible to speculate on. I'm just saying this is my sleeper pick and a guy I'd love to get one way or the other. If we could land a top 5 guy AND him I'd certainly have no complaints.
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4 hours ago, Flashsabre said:
Here are L’Heureux’s draft Rankings by the big sites. Trading down from #1 for him would be an all timer. And what is his appeal? He gets suspended a lot for being stupid? This would be like trading Eichel to NJ for Miles Wood because “we want someone who hits people.”
Ranked #22 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #30 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #28 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #26 by NEUTRAL ZONE
Ranked #28 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #30 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #19 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #21 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #24 by SMAHT SCOUTING
Ranked #11 by THE PUCK AUTHORITY
Ranked #27 by TSN/McKenzie
Marchand was drafted 71st overall.
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5 hours ago, JohnC said:
There are no immediate impact players. Where we are drafting the Sabres should be able to get a good prospect. The strategy should be to draft and development. That's the process that shouldn't be short-circuited. Being smart is better than being impatient.
Right, agreed. Which is why I would consider moving 1 top pick for several lower and grabbing a need type player (who I think could be the steal of the draft) and several development players to stock our prospect pool full.
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9 hours ago, Hoss said:
If you trade down ... you also have to give up things ... the first overall pick (or whatever pick you have).
No team in the history of this league has ever thought “we should trade away a top pick because there’s a guy we love in the teens.” If you love that guy in the teens ... take them at one.
Nah, it depends on the details. If you think you can land the player you want lower down and add extra there's nothing wrong with that. There's no Eichel/McDavidi/etc top pick this year.
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If you can't get Byfield and Turcotte for Eichel, then Eichel isn't that good and it doesn't matter.