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Our D tonight is 3 AHLers, one Russian rookie and 2 real players. Nice. 6-0 Final?
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Thanks for coming OSU and PSU.
Go Dawgs! SEC East Champs. Now lets go beat Auburn!
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Benny also leads the team in takeaways with 11 and is 3rd in hits w 26.
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Our goaltending is awful, defense isn't helping much and the team speed looks pedestrian out there, maybe we need to shake up this lineup again with some speed. It's good to have skill but you need to pair that with some fast guys also.
I think the goaltending issues are significantly affected by the D problems. The D and clearing the crease consistently, or getting the puck out of the zone (same issues as last year), but the new system seems to be allowing more odd man rushes. Combine all these factors and our goalies are in for a long season.
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Here is a problem. The Sabres have already dressed 10 different defenders in 13 games. These guys have zero goals and only 15 assists. Wow! That is terrible by any standard. This list will grow by at least 2 more when Bogo finally plays and Guhle gets recalled. Who knows how many more we’ll see by year end.
We used, for an entire season, 12 D in 2013-14, 12 in 2014-15, 10 in 2015-16 and 12 last year.
To put it in perspective on how inept our D group is, there are 12 individual D in the NHL with 10 pts or more on their own. The Ghost and Pietrangelo have 13 pts each. Pietrangelo and two guys we should have drafted Montour and Sergachev are tied with 4 goals each.
The D wizard Housley doesn’t seem to be making a positive impact on our D group yet! How long until Guhle gets a look?
Kane for a D?
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Mittlestandt will be our Keller in 2018/19 - Immediate impact next season.
Wouldn’t that be nice.
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I remember when no one around here wanted Matthew Tkachuk in his draft year, it was odd. Something about him having a bunch of secondary assists that season. We'd be lucky to get his brother.
Really? That surprises me. I wanted him desperately. I thought he’d be perfect on Jack’s wing and would be the perfect replacement for Kane. However, I never thought he’d fall to us. With the 8th pick, I thought Sergachev was the best option.
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Brady Tkatchuk is an excellent prospect and plays a physical 2 way game. He has excellent top speed, but needs work on his first step. I think he’ll be a good as his brother.
We have drafted a lot of brothers over the years. Primeau, Nylander, Seiling, Sauve, Patrick, Biron, Playfair, Hamel, Moller, McKegney,Foligno, Gretzky, Turgeon, Miller, and Reinhart. I think we drafted the better McKegney, Playfair, Turgeon, Biron, Miller, Sauve and Reinhart. We have also signed or traded for brothers like Moller, Drury, Pyatt, Niedermayer, JF Sauve, Stanfield, McGinn, James Patrick, both O’Reillys, Nolan, both Shannons and Dave Dryden.
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###### it, why not. One of what? 4 players actually doing anything? Might have to flip flop hard here and jump on the keep him wagon. Though with how bad our defense is...
Don’t do it. Stand your ground.
Here's the thing with Kane that nobody talks about: he is playing well, in the role he wants, with teammates he seems to have pretty good relationships with. He knows what it's like to be in the opposite situation.
I think he's very open to staying.
Here's the other thing. Botterill is an asset manager. He is not going to sign him to a stupid contract and he is not going to let him walk if he could acquire assets instead.
I think he's traded because Botterill will decide he doesn't want to invest market value and can won't offer him a discount.
If the Sabres somehow are in the playoff race at the deadline, that will complicate things considerably.
I think this is the deal in a nutshell.
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Pouliot despite a very rough few games is now at 4g 2a 6pts +2 averaging 13 minutes a night. He is on pace to get back to the numbers he put up for the NYR and EDM.
if he stays on this pace he'll be the first true value signee in years. Jbot signed him for $1,150,000 for the season. This is exactly the type of deal I had been hoping DR and TM would do for years. I'm not talking about a AAAA player like Falk or Griffith. I'm talking about taking a shot on a real NHL player who you get cheap because he had a bad season in his contract year or someone who was miscast on his previous team that would work in our system.
Deals like CBS grabbing Sam Gagner for 650K in 2016, or Pitt stealing Justin Schultz from Edm for a 3rd and then re-signing him for 1.4 in 2016.
Jbot made three such deals; the signings of Antipin and Pouliot and the trade for Baloo, Pouliot has exceeded expectations and seems settled in on ROR's LW. Baloo has struggled, but given time, I think this one will also work out. (Admittedly TM gets credit for Antipin - I guess he saw Lou bring in Zaitsev)
This is how good GMs fill holes in their rosters and build organizational depth.
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You waive him. If he doesn't get claimed you assign him to Rochester. Simple. We'd actually save about $1,000,000 in cap for doing it. Moulson played 8 minutes last night against the Phx. He is no longer an NHL player and therefore should no longer be on our roster regardless of salary.
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Do we call that a good win? Does playing great for 20 minutes against a bad team count as a good win?
I understood the lack of legs in the first. Travel and 4 days off; i expected a slow start. Lehner was great keeping us in the game.
The Sabres then played flawlessly in the 2nd only to fall asleep in the 3rd. Thrilled about Pouliot. Griffith is now 200% better then Grant. I thought Jack's line was terrible. Kane made 3 giveaways in the 1st that made me almost go back to the Bills game. Kane also on a 2 on 1 with Jack didn't even lookup to see if he had anyone with him and then hit Raanta in the chest protector. If he passed to Jack we would have been up 1 instead of down one in the 1st.
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Tennyson is on our 2nd pairing. Talk about roster issues.
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I suppose that Casey Mittelstadt could be placed in Rochester next year. Vasily Glotov could make it. Vojtech Budik could. Brandon Hagel could.
I would guess Nyberg and Fitzgerald stay at college although theoretically Fitzgerald could be singed, he's in his 3rd year.
The bottom of the 2014 class, Brown, Willman and Olofsson are all eligible to be signed. If I had to guess Willman and Olofsson will be signed.
Fitzgerald and Borgen should also be signed. Fitz was 19 when drafted. We have no D we drafted in Roch other then Guhle. It would be nice to have one or two.
Glotov, Pu Budik and Hagel are all eligible to be signed. Pu is actually completing his 4th CHL season. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like Budik and Hagel are signed then returned to Jrs for an overage season.
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How about waive Moulson now and bring up Smith. 0
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You have a little bit of control on when contracts hit, sure. It's just not the same level of control. At the same time, no one wins without having a few veterans in the lineup who can help guide the youth. So at some point you need to move something to get them unless you want your veteran leaders on the 4th line.
I agree players are evaluated all the time as well. It's also sometimes hard to evaluate some players when they are in a bad environment.
As for removing Murray. I don't think moving Murray boiled down to his performance as a talent evaluator which is what we are discussing here. His ability to run an organization certainly wasn't up to snuff and that's why he was let go. I think we can all pretty much say with little doubt that the players wanted Murray and Bylsma gone and Pegula had little choice but to comply. Especially if a major part of that voice is your "generational" talent.
I agree on having some vets. I liked the Gionta signing and love the Scandella/Pommers trade. However I think TM was fired for his bad judgement. Bad trades, bad organization, bad drafting, bad cap management and bad fa signings are the hallmarks of the TM era. Saying we won the ROR trade or even the Kane trade is meaningless when the team they were supposed to elevate fails.
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How long until Smith gets his first call up?
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The contracts are only a problem if everyone makes the team at the same time and all perform as top 6 players. That never happens. When u draft people from Europe The CHL and NCAA you can somewhat control when they get their ELCs. For example Olofsson may finally come to NA. College kids, depending on if they play an extra year in the USHL can arrive 1-5 years from their draft date.
However let’s say we kept all of those 2015 picks. Those guys contracts are already spread out. Jack is done with his ELC this season. Guys like Roslovic and Boeser are on year 2 and the rest year 1. Also based on their development, performance and role on the team will greatly influence the length and size of their second contract. Look at the bridge deals for McCabe as an example. Furthermore, if I drafted 6 the top6/4 players and their deals all come due at the same time, what a great problem to have. Better to much young talent, then the garbage we are watching now.
Also you say this is all speculation and it is to a certain extent. However teams evaluate just like this all the time. They know which prospects are on track to be NHL players and who isn’t. It’s why, despite good Jr numbers Estephan wasn’t offered a contract.
I also think most of the fans on this board have a pretty good idea as well as to which prospects are on an NHL track.
Should TP have kept TM for another 5 years before evaluating his performance as GM?
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So you're saying Murray traded away the former GMs picks, but Botterill has not done that. Is that correct?
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Remember when Murray was trying to trade all three second-rounders in 2014?
No wonder he got no takers.
Three players seem to have made the NHL: Montour, Dvorak and Barbashev.
The other 27 have combined for 13 NHL games.
The Sabres had picks 21, 25, 31 and 46 in 2015 and traded them away in the Kane, O’Reilly, Lehner and Fasching deals
The draft went like this
21 Colin White, 22 Ilya Samsonov, 23 Brock Boeser
25 Jack Roslovic 26 Noah Juulsen, 27Jacob Larsson
31 Jeremy Roy, 32 Christian Fischer, 33 Mitchell Stevens
43 Eric Cernak, 44 Matthew Spencer, 45 Jacob Forsbacka-Karlsson
I’d rather have Kane and O’Reilly than my pick of any one from each group, although I’d want the Lehner trade back.
But this is where you are missing the point. It doesn't matter that they are better players today. The fact is these deals were unnecessary, premature and cost us talent from one of the deepest drafts in a decade. The Sabres hadn't yet drafted and developed enough internal players to justify the cost. To rebuild properly we needed to build first and then supplement later. These "stars" not only cost us assets, but also moved us into a cap crunch, thus causing to have the double whammy of blotted contracts for unproductive players and a limited pipeline to draw from. While you can look at a single deal like ROR and say "we won" that deal, the totality of TM's veteran acquisitions have been a dismal failure because of the cap ramifications and the failure to deliver on the alleged talent. Gorges, Moulson, Bogo, Franson, Kulikov, Kane, and even ROR and now KO have mostly been failures for the Sabres. ROR, while an very good player, his performance doesn't come close to justifying his cost. Lehner is the best of the acquisitions performance wise, but has huge holes in his game and isn't the goalie of the future. I'd much rather have kept the 1st rd pick, drafted Boeser and stayed with guys like Neuvirth and Johnson, both of whom performed at a level similar to Lehner. Sadly, by the time the Sabres actually turn the corner in 2-3 years, Lehner, Kane, ROR, Bogo, and KO, the center pieces of TM rebuild it quick scheme will be 28 or older. How much "prime" will they have left? Do these guys as a group justify the 22.6 mill cost?
FYI, If I had to guess Boeser, 20, will be outperforming Kane over the next years and Juulsen and Larsson (as well as Gabriel Carlsson) would have been excellent D additions to our shallow D pool and like Guhle are NHL ready now or next year at the latest. All three have top 4 potential and excellent puck moving skills. In addition, we could also use Fischer, as well as guys like Aho and Carlo who went soon after Fischer in the 2nd rd.
How much better would our future look with Boeser, Larsson and Aho, instead of KO, Bogo and Moulson. Also you like to bring up Cernak. Cernak is a solid stay at home physical D and decent wheels and is likely to earn a call up later this year. I'd love to have him in the organization as well. I'd take him over Falk and Gorges.
Overall, I'd say had we kept our 2015 picks, in one of the deepest drafts in a decade, we'd be much closer to contention then we are today.
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Which picks did he trade away?
Please list them for us. What picks?
isn't (typo)
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Shouldn’t Murray’s picks get another half-dozen years to see how well they do?
His oldest picks are 21.
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Unlike TM, Jbot is (so far) trading away all the former GM's picks
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Okay, my number one frustration...fans and or sports talk shows. Is it me or does it seem like no matter what is done people complain. Talk shows get ratings by stirring the pot but some fans on these forums seem to enjoy not being happy. The Bills make a trade and all of the sudden a third round draft choice is such a valuable commodity? Some of these same people are the ones probably complaining "just do something!". Don't get me started about our local sports show hosts. Particularly Bull ###### on at three. I used to think he was salvageable. Oh well just thought I'd join in on the griping.
Who is pissed at the Bills?
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Taking Sam and Jack out of the equation for now and using the Cullen chart.
Guide: Player Name (draft pick) - % to play 100 / % to be top 6F, top 4D, or 1G / 4th line or fringe player
Lemieux (31) - 29% / 11% / 85%
Cornel (44) - 41% / 13% / 73%
Karabacek (49) - 34% / 11% / 82%
Martin (74) - 27% / 8% / 86%
Nylander (8) - 71% / 29% / 46%
Guhle (51) 33% / 10% / 82%
Borgen (92) 24% / 5% / 90%
Asplund (33) 29% / 11% / 85%
Pu (69) 32% / 8% / 87%
Fitzgerald (86) 25% / 7% / 90%
Glotov (190) 9% / 2% / 97%
Based on those picks there is an average 32% chance that his picks play 100 games, 10% chance they are top 6/top 4, and 82% that are fringe.
There are 11 picks so each player represents a chance at being above or below the average. So, if 4 players make 100 games it's above average for those picks. If 2 players make top 6 or top 4 it's above average and if 10 players are fringe he's above average. There are actually quite a few more picks as we know.
Let's see how they pan out over their careers and check back on his success (above or below). I'm not worried just about games played. By rights those players shouldn't even be a top 6 forward or top 4 d. If Guhle and Nylander make it into that category then by definition of the draft chart he's above average in the league.
BTW: If I am not thinking of this correctly I am happy to hear so.
Your math is a little off since you can’t average the players in that manner. However using your 32% on 25 picks yields 8 players, which is exactly what I wrote above. This is the NHL average. We are trying to build a franchise. Hiring a guy who is supposed to be a draft guru can’t lead to average results.
Jbot Do Something Already Part 2
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I’ve seen enough. Jbot do something already! Find us a D or two.
Shake up this roster. Let them know this effort isn’t acceptabe.
Step 1: Waive Moulson and Gorges.
Step 2: demoted Fedun and Tennyson
Step 3: ????