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I'm liking what I'm seeing so far in this thread in terms of diverse reading material. I think this is one of those threads that is going to have staying power and that people are going to continue to post on here from time to time just like the Songs You Can't Get Out of Your Head thread. Kudos to d4rksabre for starting this!
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What version are you reading? I was raised athiest but I have always wanted to read it. I just have no idea what the difference is between versions. Crosschecking, maybe you have some input as well?
Excellent question! A part of the issue (I wouldn't say it's a "problem") is that languages change over time. Case in point: look at how many different words have come into the English language just in the past 30 years alone - and the fact that English is one of the most spoken languages in the world. This is something that Bible translators have to take into consideration. We don't speak the same form of English as the Brits, or even the Australians and Nigerians. The world is a far different place than it was when the King James Version was published 401 years ago. Add to that the fact that the British Empire helped to spread the English language to all the different parts of the world since that time. Thus, while there were not as many translations published between the Wycliffe Bible (which introduced the Bible into English) and the King James Version, there has been an "explosion" in English translations ever since 1881.
I cannot begin to tell you how much work and effort goes into Bible translations. Translation committees need men who have a thorough knowledge (and I do mean thorough knowledge of the original languages of Hebrew and Koine Greek - since the Greek that is spoken today is not the same Greek as it was written about 2000 years ago.) At the same time, given the amount of material that has been written through various notes and commentaries that have been passed down through the centuries has been a tremendous help to these translation committees. Nevertheless, even as they continue to work on translations, some archaeological discovery keeps being made that further validates the authenticity of the Scriptures. (The Dead Sea Scrolls are an excellent case in point.)
My personal preferences for Bible translations are the 1599 Geneva Bible, the New American Standard Bible (NASB), and the English Standard Version (ESV). Just about all of these follow the word-for-word format, as opposed to the thought-for-thought method. I'm going to provide a link to something that shows not only the format, but also the projected readability of each of these versions that are on the list. As an aside, I actually find the Geneva Bible to be easier to read than the King James Version.
Word to the wise: stay away from The Living Bible and The Message. Both of these are paraphrased "Bibles", which means that they were written in purely idiomatic form and did not have legitimate translation nor scholarship put into them. Plus, both of them were written by one man (Kenneth Taylor and Eugene Peterson, in that order).
I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to hit up either me or Eric in Akron.
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I have not. The book I read prior was Shooter, and it was about a marine sniper. Both of those authors are very high on themselves, but to be in the profession they are in, confidence is a part of what keeps you alive, so it's to be expected.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but that makes sense. Perhaps those men ought to pay a visit to One SHK III Plaza to instill in them some confidence and discipline.
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You are correct the setups of the two scriptures are different. They connot be read "side by side" and directly compared. Although both are divided into chapters and verses, or sura and ayat.
Muslims believe in both scriptures and the Hebrew scripture as well, as devine revelation from God. Don't take this the wrong way, but we believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad (PBUH) after some unscrupulous men made changes to the originally revealed Christian and Hebrew scriptures.
We also believe that The Qur'an is laid out word for word as revealed to Muhammad (PBUH) and is divided into the sura and ayat by God. Muhammad (PBUH) decided the ordering of the suras. We also believe that nothing has been changed in The Qur'an since its revealing, as God reveals that He will protect it's content. If one reads both the stories are the same.
The Qur'an was revealed in the language of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), which was Classical Arabic and that language is not spoken any longer in any of the Arab countries. Something is lost in any translated version of the Qur'an. That is why many Muslims strive to learn enough of the original language to read and understand the Qur'an.
A major problem in Islam is the fact that, like any scripture, the Qur'an is open to interpretation. In my opinion that is when many Muslims drift away from the true teachings of Islam, as interpretations are based on many things, such as culture and tradition. Over time these have become viewed as part of the faith by many.
If you are interested. IMHO the best English transliteration of the Qur'an is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. It is widely available.
In case some of you don't know what he means by PBUH, he's saying "Peace Be Upon Him".
I am curious about one thing: Did Muhammad have proof that the Scriptures of the Bible were intentionally distorted? If so, how did he come across that? I know that it could be said that this was revealed to him, but did he actually sit down and do the actual scholarship to show this? (As an aside, IIRC, this is exactly the same accusation that Joseph Smith, Jr. leveled against the Bible when he was in the process of writing The Book of Mormon, and I have not seen any evidence that Smith possessed the "ivory tower scholar" superior scholastic abilities of someone like Daniel Wallace, RC Sproul, or even Augustine.)
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In fiction I have been reading the novels of John Ringo. Most are military sci-fi. I have read most of the Posleen War series, the Council War series, the Troy Rising series and also The Last Centurion. Tomorrow I will probably start Elmer Kelton's The Time it Never Rained.
In nonfiction I always have several books going. I just finished a monograph by Richard Epstein, Why Progressive Institutions are Unsustainable. I am about half way through Law Legislation and Liberty, Volume 2 by Friedrich A. Hayek. I am also reading a book about the Atkins diet. (BTW my wife and I started the diet a bit more than 2 weeks ago and have both lost some weight.) I am also reading The Guns of August by Barbara W. Tuckman.
Next up will be some ecomonics, I have not decided but it is between The Theory of the Leisure Class by Thorstein Veblen and Man, Economy, and State by Murray N. Rothbard.
I have about 3 dozen books in the queue after that.
I really like your economics selections. Granted, I have never read them, but I am familiar with what Hayek and Rothbard advocated. What's sad is that their Austrian economics ideas have been practically ignored by the Keynesian elites these days, and it's no wonder we don't have a sound money system. As an aside, what's really neat is that the Ludwig von Mises Institute created an award that bears Rothbard's namesake, and one of the people who received this reward was none other than Gary North (who, while largely ignored by the MSM, talks waaaaaaay more sense in one paragraph than any of the Keynesians over at CNBC and the Wall Street Journal in an entire edition).
Chapters and verses numbering began with the Franciscan Friars in Paris in the 13th century. Chiefly, Matthew of Aquasparta.
There's more than meets the eye. From Wikipedia:
The first person to divide New Testament chapters into verses was Italian Dominican biblical scholar Santi Pagnini (1470–1541), but his system was never widely adopted.[3] Robert Estienne created an alternate numbering in his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament [4] which was also used in his 1553 publication of the Bible in French. Estienne's system of division was widely adopted, and it is this system which is found in almost all modern bibles.
The first English New Testament to use the verse divisions was a 1557 translation by William Whittingham (c. 1524-1579). The first Bible in English to use both chapters and verses was the Geneva Bible published shortly afterwards in 1560. These verse divisions soon gained acceptance as a standard way to notate verses, and have since been used in nearly all English Bibles and the vast majority of those in other languages.
As for Matthew of Aquasparta's Wikipedia entry, I found nothing saying that he began the whole chapter and verse division of organization.
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Forgot the two most important ones ...
I read a short portion of The Quran and The Bible every day ... try to anyway.
Unless I'm mistaken, the setup between Scripture and the Qu'ran is completely different. Granted, the whole idea of inserting chapters and verses in Scripture was something that was done during the period of the Protestant Reformation. However, IIRC, Suras were set up from the get go. I just don't know when the separating ayat were done. (I had to read the Qu'ran for a seminary class on Introduction to Islam.)
d4rk, I will get to answering your question hopefully within the next day or two. However, Eric in Akron has definitely given you some very helpful tools.
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Just got done with Inside SEAL Team Six. It was just alright. They left much of the book censored (black barred), which made for some annoyance. I am in the hunt for a new book or two to pick up. I used to read regulary in school, but that's kind of tapered off since I left school a little over a year ago.
Have you ever read Rogue Warrior by Richard Marcinko? Aside from the fact that he goes above and beyond to living up to the idiom "swearing like a sailor", this is probably the best book he ever wrote. His other non-fiction pieces aren't so bad, but his fiction work removes all doubt that he's very big on himself.
With the way my mind works, I can't stay on a single book and read it through without touching another one. I have to have several of them going at the same time. Thus, here's what I'm working on:
John Calvin, Tracts and Letters (all 7 volumes)
The Heather Hills of Stonewycke by Michael Phillips and Judith Pella (I bought this book back in 1990 and I'm finally starting to read it. I'm such a horrible procrastinator.)
Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy (This one's going to have to require some patience on my part.)
The Lie: Evolution by Ken Ham
The Mortification of Sin by John Owen (which was abridged and made easy to read by a contemporary editor. Dr. Owen's writings can be very difficult to digest because of the thoroughness by which he expounded upon his material.)
The Rage Against God: How Atheism Led Me to Faith by Peter Hitchens (Christopher's younger brother)
The Odyssey.
I had to read that for an English class at RIT. I really did not enjoy that book at all.
Those sound very interesting. I would like to do more reading on politics.
If you have the patience to sift through all the various opinions on that subject matter, I commend you. The more I learn, the more I take what the political talking heads say with a grain of salt. Everyone here knows that I don't have much patience for the Left. At the same time, I have grown weary and cynical of the neocons and those who say they're on the Right but display everything except that.
Oh I plan on it. I need a few new books as I will be traveling for work here soon, and the excessive number of flights here are going to require something other than just an iPod. (trip to Seattle, trip to Ft Lauderdale, and there's another one in there I'm forgetting).
I have Kindle on my laptop. I told my wife that I didn't want the Kindle device itself because that would mean spending more money. Having said that, you can get some of the great literary classics for free on Kindle and download them. You can't go wrong there.
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1, But even then, I don't ever recall considering soda appropriate in the morning and my four food groups were pizza, cereal, ice cream, and chips.
2, I have seen a handful of adults do this over the years where I work (they drink 1/2 a case of diet soda a day from morning until night). Boggles my mind.
1, very interesting take. One of my friends told me that his four main food groups were sugar, salt, fat, and caffeine. Not too far from your estimation.
2, :sick: Man, that does not sound healthy at all. I'd rather be the kid's mom who sent her child to school with a turkey sandwich in North Carolina earlier this week. I guess the food police look the other way when it comes to consuming that kind of liquid trash.
People that don't know how to help themselves.
My girlfriend and our mutual friends have this friend...She's in her mid-twenties. She has a four year old daughter. She lives in a cramped apartment downtown. She doesn't have a car. She always wants people to drive her places. Complains that she can't afford food. Doesn't understand why she's not allowed to have custody of her kid.
But has plenty of time and money to go out drinking with friends, get new tattoos, and post little artifacts of it all over Facebook.
How dense do you have to be?
Talk about a complete lack of introspection and being in a perpetual state of out to lunch.
It's February, dammit. Why does it have to be 35 degrees and raining and not 30 degrees with snow? :(
It's been a pretty mild winter all around. Last winter, I took a load through southwest Missouri and it was -2 at 7 in the morning. Last week, I went through the KC area and it was in the mid 30's.
Is it all that different from people who drink coffee all day?
I agree with LastPommerFan. At least coffee is ahelluva lot more natural than the liquid sh!t SDS was talking about.
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How many times as a child did you punch yourself in the balls?
:lol: (Not laughing at SDS specifically, but that was a rather funny question to ask)
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Head on collision?
IDK how that's head on. IDK if the Snooze reported on this or not, so I have no idea. Looks like one was either not paying attention or was just too impatient to get through the cashbox, so he thought he'd ram it through. I can either see Bill Engvall saying, "Here's Your Sign" or Ron White saying, "You can't fix stupid."
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There's this growing trend out here in Boston of cars using the shoulder to leap frog lines at red lights. They're not leap frogging cars that are turning left though. They're jumping up in front of cars going straight. It's getting to the point where I will swerve over to the right a little bit when I stop so no one can go around me. I'm not going to let you be a dick just so you can get to work 30 seconds quicker.
It could be worse. There's a pic that went viral of two cars that went through the same toll barrier on the 190 a while back. What were they thinking?
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This is one of the strangest bands I've ever heard of. I can't wait to hear a Tipper Gore response. :D
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it's all about big lobby money from the drug companies..... it's always about the money. the drug companies want to string you out and along on their chemicals for their profit. there is no money in a cure but "treatment" is a big money maker. Herb is a gift from the earth. XC didn't the god you worship say, paraphrasing of course something along the lines of i give you plants and the seeds to use,
I read this fiction book a few years ago, but everything you're pointing out is pretty much right on the money.
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I'll choose a plant given to us by God, over a pill given to us by man, to make me happy any day.
Consider this to be ironic, but I actually have a measure of agreement with you. Makes me think that things like Vioxx have done more damage than some gold from Acapulco.
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Hey XC interesting avatar for someone of your ilk. What is your stance?
I was wondering when someone was going to say something about that. I intended it to be a play on words. I meant for it to be something where perhaps cannabis could be a replacement for a bad hip socket. But, I'm not really sure how well the joke's going to go over.
As for cannabis, I personally don't use it - or any other drug for that matter. Not only can it kill my career, but I really have no interest in imbibing in such stuff. As it is, I find it interesting that many of us have not learned the lessons from Prohibition. The stuff is still available, and people are going to wreck their lives in many different ways, no matter how much people with the best of intentions try to get them to stop. I've come to understand that sinners are still going to be sinners, and no amount of "legislating morality" is going to prevent people from getting their hands on that stuff. After all, when the Puritans banned Christmas back a few centuries ago, people still engaged in such practices. It came to a point that the law banning it was finally overturned.
I hope this helps.
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It wasn't meant to come across as a complaint. It's definitely going to be an interesting weekend. It's fun in that I have absolutely no idea what to expect.
To be honest with you, I didn't think you were complaining. I was just speaking about the general attitude of many people out there.
Maybe it has been asked; but what do you think of the show Shipping Wars?
I've never even heard of that show before. I don't watch the telly when I'm out on the road.
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This weekend is a real case of trial by fire for me. I'm spending the weekend with the future wife's entire immediate family for this ski weekend they have every year. I don't ski, would like to pick it up some day, but I don't trust my knee just yet for that. So I get to spend the time with a couple people who can't ski (pregnant, old, infant,...). This should be interesting. I've met most of them on an individual basis, but never all together at once.
As much as people complain about their spouses and stuff like that, I'd like to posit a breath of fresh air. Marriage between a man and a woman is a blessing, and should not be seen as a curse or a [prison] sentence. Sure, it takes work, but there is plenty of reward in it. Thus, I pray that you two would be truly blessed beyond measure when you two tie the knot.
Now, for something unrelated but still F'N Fantastic: ever since I deactivated my Facebook account late last week, it has been a struggle to not reactivate it. However, I have been able to get a lot of other stuff done that I needed and wanted to get done. I'm getting caught up on my reading, and perhaps it may lead me to help me write and finish a novel.
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I'm not sure if this is a sign of a recovering economy, "luck of the draw", or Divine Providence; but after I went back to work on Monday after spending the past 4 days at home, I hit the road and got a load with both deadhead and loaded miles totaling over 1100 miles. Then, after I delivered that one, I get another one with a combined 1400 miles. I have not had that good a week coming out of the house in a very long time. That's F'N Fantastic for me! :thumbsup:
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Right - gotta stick with diet coke. :)
You're not trying to get me to lose my dinner tonight, are you? :sick:
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Tim Hortons or not - diet Pepsi in the morning is nasty enough.
Diet Pepsi is just plain nasty. Period.
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You could try diet. There are many anecdotal reports that various food dyes or preservatives act as ADHD triggers.
There's a lot to be said about eating as much natural food as possible and staying away from all the junk that's out there. At the same time, (sorry for any perceived political overtone on this one), the FDA does not appear to have a clue on food and nutrition. Yet, they seem to always be in a rush to approve "prescription drugs" that are supposedly useful for certain ailments - only to bring on other ailments that weren't there before.
This isn't really a complaint, but I hear about it from my wife all the time. I can't remember if I've mentioned this before on here, but I go to Wikipedia on a daily basis to see who died.
Living in a town that has a cookie factory is not a good thing.
In an attempt to live a healthier life, I quit smoking last year. Inevitably, a few pounds have creeped onto my little frame and I have been walking walking walking most mornings. Today is beautiful! Perfect day for a healthy, invigorating walk around the neighborhood.
Archway/Lance is baking this morning. Heavy, strong smell of warm chocolate chip cookies in the air. Makes it hard to focus...all I want now is a cookie instead of my usual yogurt/granola/berry breakfast.
Try living in a town where there's a paper mill. That'll do wonders for your olfactory senses. <_<
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First thing that popped in my head were KY and nipple cream. I'm a terrible person.
I would have never thought to reply to this. Then, this song crossed my mind. I only thought it was apropos, given what you posted. (Sorry that this one is going way too far.)
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Every time I read the topic this tune pops into my head,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFx3WX4DES0&feature=player_embedded#!
chz pinned this one in the early days of this thread.
Now, next on my list...
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I'm impressed that you were able to pick up on that, but you are correct. She's very high-tension whereas I'm very low key. I help her keep her stress levels down and she keeps me moving. :lol:
You may be very low key, but you're incredibly observant and quick on the draw.
What are you currently reading?
in The Aud Club
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You could go out and buy them. Then again, you could also look here or here. There are a number of websites that have the Bible online and in various versions and languages. Plus, many of the Bibles that are being sold here in the US contain a lot of commentary notes, which can be a bit of a distraction for me when I'm just trying to read the text itself.