Thorny

Seriously, comparing Comrie and Hellebuyck? I can never wrap my mind around goaltending stuff. It’s like people have no care for the idea of *some* improvement. We saw it literally all year in the GDTs: “well, those were tough shots, what could UPL even have done? His D is bad!” *goalies are allowed to provide positive value.*. They can even do so when portions of a team aren’t up to snuff! It’s like, the idea of Ullmark gets shot down because “he’s not the guy in Boston he was in Buffalo cause of their team.” SO WHAT? Have you *seen* his statistics *in buffalo*? Way better than any goalie to play for us, last season. Even HASEK I’ve seen lumped into this convo. “Even Hasek wouldn’t so and so behind this D” ya, he would. Hellebuyck would, too. He’s very good. We need *2* good goalies. The fact we expect Peterka to provide good value down the line isn’t close to enough to make me rule out the astronomical comparative amount Hellebuyck would benefit us this coming year instead of the value Peterka would provide. It needs to at least be a consideration. That people can, quicker than a snap of their fingers rule out the dealing of, I dunno, the 300th best player in the league, for, I dunno, a top 15 guy by Value.. it’s just wild to me. Not that people don’t wanna do it but it’s like the idea is ABSURD haha. its like the inverse of “bird in hand is equal 2 in the bush”. No one wants to put a lick of value on the immediate value we’d see. It’s NOT A TIM MURRAY thing. Our team is ready to be good! i guess it’s just hyper arm chair GM mode all the time. I would trade a shocking amount for ONE more year like the run in 2006. Just one more. Considering how long we’ve been in utter hell as a franchise, how easily that can be the norm, as we’ve seen..how dicey it is to even *make the playoffs*.... honestly, give me one more run. I’ll hang em up and leave you all alone after that, I promise

I got you.

Why couldn’t we be a cup contending team adding a top 3 goalie in the world to a top 3 offense in the world? i would trade JJ Peterka for a singular deep playoff run time is valuable, man. By far, by far, the asset we undersell the most on this board.

It’s a baby bath water thing for me. I don’t really like moves like this but if we didn’t make them, Adams wouldn’t Adams at all and all the other things he does so well wouldn’t be there, either. Will continue to focus on macro results

I think most would agree YOU are the funniest, for merely suggesting the bolded. in seriousness, while the bold is, truly, wildly inaccurate, I will indulge you in the first bit. The italicized. I think a lot of what I do here on that front gets missed, or mistaken for something else entirely Love ya, though. You are kind. I hope your milk is fully stocked because I’m not really interested in the alternative

Again, You aren’t missing context you just aren’t reading what I wrote I said: the “I was correct about Eichel” thing was half *tongue in cheek*. Fact is, I *was* right about a lot. I was right he’d excel with a new team, I was right he wasn’t a cancer that prevented winning, I was right that his chosen surgery course was the correct path. The rub is that I was wrong when I said Adams shouldn’t trade him. I was wrong when I said Adams was focusing too much on culture. I was wrong about a lot along the way. The irony is that my Eichel takes are being painted as rigid, when in reality, the reason they are so accurate, *nowadays* is because I’ve had to shift my stances over time. Yes, in a world where Zamboni believes no one is capable of having their opinion swayed. thats the point. As the guy who’s perceived arguments are benefiting the MOST from this current Eichel run, where’s he’s proven he can be the best player/tied for the best player on a great team, where it’d be easy for me to sit and laugh and quote tweet all the truly horrendous takes that have been forgotten over the years (S), I’m sitting here saying i was wrong about a lot. And I’ve been saying that for a year! Check the “I was wrong about...” thread! I have, honestly, seen zero move towards the middle from the other side. When, let’s be real, their takes need it more than mine. that I had to shift my stances for them to be correct is the point I am making. I wasn’t right all along. But being able to shift your stances is what makes all this discussion worth it or, just use the ignore feature. whichever.

In the NHL, the successful teams are the ones that are full of, made up exclusively of, players who merely need to “play their role.” If you are counting on someone to “put the team on their back”, regularly, in a sport where your best skater can only play about a 3rd of the game, you haven’t built a successful formula Sometimes goalie is an exception but even that has its limits

Read the literal post you quoted the first line - - - I don’t dismiss *anyone* I don’t block anyone I’m not Zamboni I have over 30 000 posts in 8 years. More than any poster (?) over a stretch of that length. I am here to engage

Tyler Myers? Chris Drury? (Not in last 10, but)

So you refuse to listen to what I’m saying alright

He’s their best player/ among their best 3 players. That’s what a winning team looks like. THAT IS THE POINT Malkin was as good as Crosby when Crosby was winning Smythes! That people are *still* not grasping this is why I remain. This isn’t about Jack Eichel. Never was. It’s about *hockey*. Until people see this I’ll keep going To win, ANY player ALWAYS needs to be just *one of a number*. The Sabres failed not by casting Eichel as “clear cut guy”, but rather because they cast, anyone, as clear cut guy.

its half tongue and cheek, anyways. *Which people keep missing.* I have altered my stance on JE over time. That’s the hilarious rub: my takes on JE are accurate only because *ive altered them*. The exact opposite of the rigidity people are claiming by saying I “talk about it too much”

Do you have any idea how many people said he was a cancer you couldn’t win with? If that wasn’t you, no need to feel “seen” by my posts on JE

Fast 10 was enjoyable garbage. It helps that they are parodying themselves at this point, they did a good job showing their self-awareness, at times, at least. Wick 4 still the best of 2023 easily John Wick: Chapter 4 Guardians 3 Dungeons & Dragons Ant-Man 3 Fast X Renfield 65 Plane Cocaine Bear

That the ignore feature as a discussion point is now entering the fray, only once I’ve been proven correct, says all you need to know Ultimate projection ^. That’s a sad way to see SS. I see people changing their minds all the time. It’s a fantastic place for discussion and debate. Perhaps Doohickie and others feels it’s “the same convo over and over” on JE because of the rigid stances they themselves have: anyone who reads my posts can see my stance on JE has changed significantly over time. From saying Adams was wrong to trade him, to saying it was the correct decision. If the fact the guy, who defends Eichel more than anyone else, himself admits the trade was a good one, doesn’t say something to you: you aren’t listening, you don’t care to listen, you are just plowing forward with blinders for the world on. More less like a zamboni - - - I won’t ever put anyone on ignore because I’m not afraid to have my opinions challenged. Even Zamboni, who posts seemingly exclusively to express to other posters how much more high minded he is than all the other lowly fans, hasn’t achieved that distinction. No doubt I’ve met the axe on his, self-admitted echo chamber end.

Yes

Beers on the ice in Dallas lol and heeeeere coooome the pretzels

20-1

It’s been lacking since round 1

that’s you, and the way you said the bolded

No, he dies in Goblet In how to beat everyone, slowly

Not much of an allegory guy

Vegas was quicker, by far, than Edmonton at even strength. Did the fastest team in the league decide to have no urgency, round 2? Vegas manipulates the pace, it’s not a “lack of urgency” or some other thing we need to invent to downplay their success Or Dallas for that matter

Me taking the Mickey out of this place IS me relaxing