HopefulFuture
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ALL CHAPS ARE ASSLESS
Even the English ones? :P
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Any car insurance commercial
Take the pig and the lizard to the BBQ pit, make sure flo is wearing her leather S&M outfit with assless chaps while basting them at the pit, get the professor from the state farm university as the gimp and have that guy from all-state do the narative
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The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking somebody falls below Sabres & Isles but those 2 finish 28 & 29.
I'm with you Taro, and that makes me sad :(
I don't believe the Sabres get out of the bottom 3 though, but there are a couple of teams that look to be competing with the Sabres for last place. Calgary looks to be one of those teams, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Florida down in mix again. The one team that does intrigue me is Winnipeg. How low can they go if they deal Kane for futures as opposed to NHL roster talent?
As for the Islanders pick, I'd say anywhere from 4th OA to 10 OA with myself leaning heavily towards the 10 OA end of that scale barring injuries. But I don't see them as a playoff team quite yet.
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Kane is tempting. Hear Petey and Kevin speaking on it on Hockey Hotline this morning. Liked Petey's idea of a package deal.
Sadly, it may cost us a generational talent, then again, as tank just pointed out above, we score 3 a game but give up 6 lol, therefore, if that is the outcome, I strongly approve :P
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Here's espn's Power Rankings
FWIW, the Canes are listed as the worst team in the league, with Buffalo at 29th
Wow, and they have 2 of the Staal brothers, Skinner and of course, the Gerbel. That alone is more offensive fire power than our team :)
iEven though it goes against my instincts and everything that I was bred to believe...
One more tank.
Having McDavid or Eichel improves our odds of continued success for a very long time, more so than having picks outside of the top 2.
If your driving this band wagon, I'm willing to pay my fare to climb aboard. What I wouldn't give to see McDavid in a Sabres uniform via the draft. It would give me some real hope for the following years. Although, with the talent amassed now, the team should be pretty decent in 3 or more years or so. I can't complain about the tank so far, it's been fun to watch as other fan bases drool with envy, well, except Tampa Bay fans, for some reason they have a really good prospect and youth movement going on as well :P
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I am taking things a little out of context but Reinhart will not be a winger because he can do the second thing I bolded.
I will repeat that. Samson Reinhart is not and will not be a Winger. If Samson becomes a winger we better have Eichel and McDavid at center otherwise Tim Murray screwed up. Now I don't think Murray screwed up because Reinhart is a guy who is at his best with the puck on his stick. He is a playmaker.
And I'm hoping your correct on Reinhart and the larger picture for Buffalo's future does look much more sound at the center position given this and the next draft (fingers crossed, I hope).
But I'm always intrigued by the Sabres play these past few years particularly what DeLuca stated. The team spent a great deal of time running around, chasing the puck due to some face off losses, more so than they should have. And since the thread is about trades, I was wondering if DeLuca's comment struck a cord and put some names out there from others that can see Buffalo making a trade for such a player, of course, given the parameters set by TM, young, NHL ready talent.
He is correct. I never said he was wrong. I extrapolated his comment saying that was not the course to take right now, but is something Darcy should have done years ago or GMTM can do a couple years from now if needed.
Your points on faceoffs and timing, however, are inaccurate. Faceoffs are not as critical as common sense may indicate, and getting a center in the short term would cost us more than we need to spend with 3 (+2 more likely coming) first round center prospects in the system.
Well, I would have to believe that face off wins equals puck possession more often than not. That has to have some bearing on the game I would imagine. As I stated above, Buffalo spent a great deal of time chasing the puck due to face off losses. But the thread itself is on trades, so I was wondering as I pointed above as well, if DeLuca's comment struck a cord with the members and some individual players came to mind that could be had to help mitigate the situation. The reason I ask is due to TM's time line on a rebuild. I can't see his time line being achieved without puck possession as a consideration and I'm sure the organization takes many things in to consideration but judging from past seasons I would have to believe this is one of them is all.
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With TM's recent moves I now firmly believe getting one of McDavid or Eichel is out the window. Sabres finish with a 4th to 7th OA draft selection slot from the 15 draft. I also believe the Islanders will be better and may be a bubble playoff team given the EC's weak competition. St. Louis offers us a pick between 22 to 30th OA.
In essence, the tank will go strong for another 2 full seasons, drafting in the 4th to 10th slot in that 16 draft IMHO.
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Winning and moving faceoffs isn't only about the person taking them, it's about the team. Teams can change tactics to win more in a way that ends up costing possession time. Read an article not too long ago on the Oilers doing exactly that. Even when looking at individual players, there doesn't appear to be any real link between winning faceoffs and possession. Ott was great at draws, but not a good possession player. Crosby and Malkin are nothing special at the dot, but are terrific possession players.
I can dig up the article about the Oilers if you're interested in it.
Edit: I hate posting from my phone oh so much.
Interesting article, and I do agree with the post face off tactics bit, it is common sense. I'd like to see a league wide study like this one. Then I'd be able to tell if the Oilers are an anomaly or the norm in this matter, until then it's a singular study on the Oilers failures. Surely your not suggesting that those findings are the case league wide based on 1 teams data, are you?
It is correct that centers can be found through UFA and Trade. It is correct that Darcy could have done that 5 years ago to prevent the current issue. It is incorrect that they Sabres could or should do those things right now. We have spent 3 of the last 5 first round picks on centers. We will likely spend 2 of the next 3 first round picks on centers. Odds our we will get our guy(s) there.
If 5 of 8 first round picks are busts, we'll have bigger problems than looking for one more scoring center.
I fail to see how anything is incorrect here. DeLuca's statement was pretty clear, and subsequently my comment referencing his statement was pretty clear.
DeLuca denoted having a center that can actually play center, I followed up commenting on the face off situation and threw in scoring to boot. I don't see how your response answers my questions on the intangibles of the prospects in this regards. Since they are currently unknown commodities at the NHL level simply because they have no real time in the league as of yet, I'd argue they are a larger risk than going out and getting a center that already performs these functions. Of course, that's not feasible, but, it is reasonable. And I understand why it's not reasonable, were in the middle the beginning of the rebuild and hence need to wait to see what we actually have in these players. In the end, it doesn't address the fact that DeLuca is correct and I agreed with him.
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Face offs are overrated as long as the team is within the 45-55% range. A 8% faceoff disadvantage translates to 4 draws per game. Hardly worth a roster spot.
But yes, centers can be had, just not right now by the Sabres. We don't need a rental (Spezza) and Stastny isn't going to come to the tank.
We don't have an established star young wing entering his prime like Erickson to offer in a trade for a risk on a good center with off ice issues.
like I said, three years from now, I hope we are in the position to make a move like that should none of our 4-5 top half of the first round centers pan out.
Well, I do as well. I'm merely saying, DeLuca is correct. It's a myth that has been going on for far to long here in Buffalo. And although I concur it's only a few face offs, it's the ability to control the flow of the game from those face offs that to me would make some difference. If for example 4 or those 8 face offs are offensive zone, if we win 3 instead of 1 out of the 4 of those face offs per game, does that not increase the odds of us controlling the flow of the game from those face offs? I would be inclined to say yes to an extent, that would help. And what of those face off wins that convert to puck control, especially in the offensive zone? Would they not be able to increase scoring opportunities on say, 33% of those situations, conservatively? I would say that's a reasonable expectation, no? And of those 33% chances, what if 33% of that 33% is a quality scoring chance that leads to a goal, would that not alter some game outcomes given how close Buffalo plays in it's games, even during the tank? I'd be inclined to say it will have some affect, no?
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The Kings have one high scoring center that they drafted.
Blues have zero centers in the top 20. They MIGHT have one next year in Stastny, if he improves.
Dallas has the best example in Seguin, but he was never a top 20 center before they traded him. If Spezza can stay healthy, he might get in the top 20 again, but he is definitely not going to be a Star after June 30th, 2015.
The Centers the Sabres want to acquire right now are only available the last friday in June.
3 years from now, if we still need a center, we can try and grab one as a rental, like Spezza, or a borderline top-20 scorer like Stastny looking for a shot with a contender.
So, in affect, DeLuca is correct. It's always some mythical quest while other teams are acquiring centers that may, or, may not be top 20 in the next few years.
Hodgson, while a nice player, doesn't project to be in that category either. What Reinhart is forced to wing? What if our other centers (someone mentioned Grigo, I laughed by the way) in our system don't pan out for various reasons? We should what? Keep on waiting? Serious question by the way, I'm not saying we should run right out and get one, but surely there are centers that can be had that serve specific purposes, say, such as, face off wins? Our team sucks at face offs, and especially in the offensive zone, they are, well, offensive................
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We need SCORING wingers. We have enough tough guys. That's the reason for the original trade to begin with.
I should have used the sarcasm emoticon ;)
Think of the extra cap space the Sabres can use to get a center that can actually play center?
This!
Completely agree, having a center who can net 60% or better on face offs would be nice along with scoring.
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Hodgson to Vancouver for Kassian
We have center depth coming, we need wingers :w00t:
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A clarion call has gone out to all corners of the hockey world from Arizona, bring us your meek, timid, soft players..........................
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I agree with the poster who pointed out he could have moved up into the late 1st with 2 of the 2nd rounders, then, packaged that 1st and the other 2nd rounder, if he had to he could have included the 61st over all as well. But what is striking is the deal for the 20th overall, The 27th and the 67th picks? Really?
I think Murray could have packaged the 31st, 49th and 61st to get up to 20 then used the 20th and 39th to move up to the mid teens, no?
Also, I believe Murray is going for Quality for sure, especially since he was willing to offer all three 2nd rounders.
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Red Wings fan here.
I don't really want Myers in Detroit, but I understand that the DTW system/blue line would be good for him and possibly mold him into a quality defenseman. No chance of him going to forward with the wings- they're swimming in them. Mantha has had Detroit drooling on him for quite awhile. I've heard rumours about these guys going to Buffalo for Myers:
Nyquist
Franzen
Tatar
Jurco
Sheahan
Nyquist I highly doubt- he seems to be in grooming to be another Zetterberg, plus he's Swedish, so hands off. Franzen has been better than in recent years, I'm not sure Buffalo getting Franzen helps anyone. Tatar, Jurco, Sheahan, all young. Sheahan can be a drunken Teletubby here as well as in Detroit.
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I wonder if he'd be willing to do intermission shows with Sabretooth :lol:
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Hoping Ehrhoff gets moved today, maybe in a larger package to move back up in to the 1st round with a couple of the 2nd round picks and taking back salary. I'd like to think we could get back in to the 12 to 15 range with something around a situation like that. I'm hoping anyways.
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Agreed. And seeing reinhart being pretty far down on that list while being older and in his THIRD season already is a little concerning for me. I think it's been said that reinhart has the best linemates as well, which adds to it. I honestly have no idea who I want. I've switched from Bennett to reinhart to draisaitl in a month, and think I may go back to Bennett lol. Bennett>draisaitl>reinhart for me. If draisaitl improves his skating I think he becomes the best player from this draft. I just hope ekblad goes first so I know for sure Murray got the forward he believes is best.
I'm in your boat. I switched from Bennett to Reinhart only to go back to Bennett again. At least 1 of them, maybe both, will be there at 2 so I feel good about that pick.
My interest is really focused in on where TM will trade back in to the 1st round at, if he can. I'd like to see what type of player they have on their minds for that one, to me, that should go a long way in telling my self anyways, where they feel they needed to shore up some depth or who they felt could be an impact player.
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Sorry if this has been posted already, but I did not see it anywhere.
According to this study, Sam Reinhart is the #12 offensive prospect to come out of the draft in the past decade.
I believe this study is for CHL'er's only.
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I put mine up there.
I chose Myers as the one to get moved, although, I feel Ehrhoff will be the one.
Yes the Sabres mack a "Holy Mackeral" trade, Myers involved.
I'd move Ehrhoff with no salary retained and the 39 pick for the 12th, if I had to add something, it would be the other late 2nd rounder.
I know none of this happens, at least, in my mind, but, I'd like to see Myers stay. I really have no input on Hodgson, Foligno or Ennis, I believe they stay I reckon.
I think Erhoff could be gone or Myers, but not both, combines with Stafford, Foligno and maybe Blues #1 next year for a holy mackerel deal for a high pick and a skilled forward. I get the sense from listening and reading the Murray may have something up his sleeve. He is clearly enjoying the position he is in right now.
I agree, he looks so relaxed as the GM. Uncle trained him well it appears, at least by his outward expressions.
The glasses man, those glasses make the man in his case :flirt:
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So do we think Murray has already made a decision or has a solid order of guys set? A lot of former execs say they don't make any real decisions until the beginning of draft week.
I think the Sabres know it's either going to be Reinhart or Ekblad and I also believe they have gone over scenarios to utilize assets to get elite talent in the forward ranks by using assets, including potentials from this draft.
No, I think Draisaitl will go top five. But guys like Ritchie, Barbashev, Tuch and Perlini. Barbashev isn't "big" but he plays like it.
Well, I know it's been beaten to death, But if he really wants to make a move back up in the top 5 to grab Draisaitl, I'd be inclined to believe Myers is on the table then. Just my opinion though.
As for getting the other players you mention, I know TM loves his big bodies, but dam, I sure do like that Ehlers kid. That speed, oh that speed.
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I think he's targeting that in a trade for another first.
This is where I am at. Edmonton and Calgary are on most radars for that player. I'm not so sure on that, maybe the 5th to 8th selection?
What do you think with all the chatter, is it possible he falls past 5?
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One of Reinhart or Ekblad will be a Sabre come this June 27th. Of that I have little doubt.
If it is Ekblad, this organization has a massive pool of assets to bring that elusive elite forward to town. But in so far as this draft, those 2 are the BPA's for the 1 and 2 spots in most consensus. That being the case, I'm happy with either one and I trust GM TM will make the appropriate moves in the next 12 months, including the 15 draft, to secure the teams long term core in an effort to be a Cup contender, not just a force in the Eastern Conference.
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We're not getting pick one without giving up two. And they aren't going to give us a pick to take on Campbell. They're trying to win and won't think of him as a salary dump.
I agree, just doing a little day dreaming is all :P
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Here's a familiar defenseman who's still pretty good, has 2 years left on his (expensive) contract, is looking for a new situation and could be traded at the draft: http://sports.yahoo....-161740679.html
Yea, I caught this as well today. I wouldn't mind Soupy back at all. I'd like to get that 1st over all and retain the 2nd over all while doing it. If that is not possible, that 32nd over all could be a bargaining chip to get back in to the teens in the 1st rd as some sort of package deal, I think.
Zero F#cks Given
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The bolded is ######in funny and true. I own a dog, most of family have one or 2. When they ask me why I don't take him for walks I actually respond with what you just pointed out. I say how the ###### does it make any common sense to take my dog down the street to crap on someone elses yard, even when I pick it up that's just down right ######in rude.
My brother also doesn't do it and actually once told a guy on his street that did while his dog was shitting on his lawn how the ###### would he like it if he came down to his place, dropped his draws, layed a turd, then used a bag to pick it up. Keep your ######in dog off my yard ######. We all burst out laughing our ###### off when he did it. But, you are correct, 0 ###### given on those people!