Crusader1969
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1 hour ago, Doohickie said:
That's the age-old argument of if the team sucks, blame the best player. That makes no sense. A lot of people said the Sabres didn't win because of Eichel. They trade Eichel and he wins the Cup. Hmm. Guess it wasn't Eichel.
Jeff Skinner is not the reason for the Sabres' lack of success. He's not a perfect player but he produces points, which every team needs.
I wonder what Skinners net effect is? yes he scores but how many does he give up?
Look at this last road trip. As big as they come for the Sabres
He Scores 3 in a 6-2 route of SEA but puts up 0 points in the other 4
If I look back over 2024:
I really think this is damning about Skinner
He has 18 points in 29 games in total BUT in the games decided by 2 goals or less (16 of the 29 games) he has 2 goals and 1 assist. So yes he scores but almost all his damage (7G 8A) is done in games that are lopsided 11 of those points are in 6-1 win over MTL , 6-2 vs SEA and 7-2 vs LV To take it one step further in games decided by 3 goals or less (23 of last 29) he has contributed 3G and 4A. Not nearly good enough.
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Im trying to think about a line of
Skinner Krebs Greenway
I will like it better by upgrading Krebs with a 29 year old Vet Chandler Stephenson comes to mind as a UFA but maybe a trade could bring in someone who makes $4 to $5 million and not upset the apple cart with $14mill allocated to Cozens and Tage.
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22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
He has outscored Tuch and Tage. Neither have as many goals as Jeff this season. I put him on the top 2 lines. It is why I would fire granato because he is so married to his combo of JJP - Cozens - Quinn that he refuses to see others.
Also why does Tuch get a pass around here? He is invisible for games on end. What about Thompson, I haven't seen him do $#it for months now.
Benson is 18. There is nothing wrong at all with keeping him in a sheltered 3rd line roll again next season. Benson - New Center - Greenway is a perfectly acceptable line, or put Tuch there and Greenway up if needed. Guys will get injured so this is only a problem when everyone is healthy.
Jeff Skinner is the whipping boy because Tuch is big and from Syracuse, Tage is big and the 94pt season looms large, and Krebs is either forgotten about or ignored for some reason (because he was in the Eichel trade?). Skinner cooled off in the 2nd half but so did the entire team. They aren't scoring enough and that is on the coaches for the "new" system they installed.
I like to say I've been very hard on Tuch this year. His unwillingness to stand in front of the net on the PP is my biggest peeve. I would have him off PP1 all together.
And dont get me started on his unwillingness to use his frame to throw a check on a defender.I think it was the last game or two I questioned if he (Tuch) was the most in accurate passer on the team.
Krebs can be easily disposed and doesnt make $9million. Also, I dont think his effort needs to be questioned as it is the Skinner
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5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Flawed logic. Jack Eichel got the Sabres nowhere... he won a cup in Vegas. Linus Ullmark got the Sabres nowhere... he won a Vezina in Boston. Ryan O"Reilly got the Sabres nowhere... he won a cup and a playoff MVP. Sam Reinhart got the Sabres nowhere... he just put up a 50g season. Guess they all suck.
Maybe instead of getting rid of the veteran players who actually are doing more than some of you realize, maybe we should not buyout a guy who is currently tied for the lead in goals after being injured for part of the year just because he is slumping a bit at the end? Or maybe this team just doesn't have room for a 30g scorer. Why not force whatever rookie under 20 into his spot, that is the Sabres way after all.
Jeff Skinner isn't the problem on this team.
where are you playing him next year? Sabres obviously dont want / trust him any longer on line 1 How much does he score away from Tage and Tuch?
I do think he represents a huge part of the problem. His lack of 2 way effort is well documented.
I would put Benson on Line 1 and give up 10 goals in order to get everything else Benson brings to the game.
Its not all about Keep or Get rid of. If you keep him, whats his role?
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38 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said:
I'll also add that Skinner scored 40, 33, and 35 in non-Krueger years and is scoring at a 30 goal pace this year.
and its got the Sabres no where
6 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:Just keep him. We don't have enough good forwards as it is
and play him where? I'm open to having getting the Olofsson treatment and fill in as the 13th forward when needed
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24 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:
It seems if his buyout creates a cap dent so large that we cannot sign a decent replacement <insert dozens of arguments as to what that would be ... a traffic cone could replace his defense>, then the team is not better without him. He is maddening, he is frustrating, he is inconsistent ... he is also their leading goal scorer(ish), electric upon rare occasions, and likely a heckuva guy. I don't think Skinner is the problem with this team and likely not the biggest of the many problems.
ok, so you want him on your top line?
24 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said:This flawed logic implies that Jordan Greenway deserves top line money for playing on the top line. He doesn't. Jeff Skinner leads the team in goals.
This also assumes that 3rd line is "defensive." It's not. Player usage charts show that ___-Thompson-Tuch play against the hardest opponents and that Krebs plays against significantly weaker opponents. Maybe Granato wants Skinner-Krebs-Benson to light up the other team's scrubs.
you feel comfortable going into next year with Skinner - Krebs - Benson as your 3rd line ? also imply that Greenway is either #1 LW or #4 Left Wing , neither is a role I want him in
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In the most important games of the season Skinner is dropped down to the 3rd line.
they have Greenway on the 1st line but, I think we can agree ,he is better suited for the 3rd linebegs the question. What to do with Jeff Skinner in the summer ?
has a NTC, gets paid $9 for 3 more years, his defensive game is adequate at best.
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11 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:
Every time I write his name on a line I think “this isn’t good enough WTH does this guy give me other than 8 goals?”
And I may be biased bc currently that “pass” against Detroit is etched into my brain as literally the moment the season ended. It was so bad on a team that makes plenty of mistakes him doing that as a supposed responsible player is just inexcusable to me.
He’s going to get 3 million next year. To be reliable defensively. We need a 40-50 point winger that is responsible defensively the only guy right now close to that is Tuch.
And my God. If you’re 6-6 and 230 lbs - you need to play like it. I’m sorry. He’s just not remotely nasty and it ticks me off. We don’t need a guy that plays 17 minutes a night currently to suck the offense out of a line.
He has 14 points since December 23.
3 million dollars.
no you don't
Top Teams in the league 3rd line wingers
Canucks Mikheyek 30pts Lafferty 23 Points
Hurricanes Martinhook 27 pts
Coloarado Miles Wood 24pts
Panthers Luostarinen 22Pts
Rangers Cuylle 20pts Kakko 14pts
Jets Niederreiter 33pts Appleton 33 pts
How doesn't he play like he is 6'6? you need a well rounded team not a bunch of scorers. I'm sorry but, in my books, he is a big part of next years squad. For my 3rd line I would take him all day over Skinner.
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8 hours ago, Second Line Center said:
Greenway is borderline useless to me.
He does some good things as a 3rd line defensive forward. That’s all I got.
I’d go:
Benson - TT - Tuch
JPP - Cozens - Quinn
Skinner - Krebs - Greenway
Robinson - Jost - Girgenson
Greenway is useless?? Are you watching the games ?
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1 hour ago, CallawaySabres said:
Then I guess we should all be prepared to miss the playoffs again next year because our center lineup is not going to cut it. Since they won't be able to get a #1 center, the best they can do is unload a nice haul for a very good #2 center who is proven. Tage, #2 and then Cozens. That is the kind of mover they have to make if they ever want to fill that stadium again.
You may remember they tried that not too long ago when the tanked for Eichel / McDavid
2 hours ago, K-9 said:I doubt they are letting salary dictate where Cozens plays. Right or wrong, good or bad, he’s one of our two best centers currently and the construction of the current team is dictating where he plays.
You remember when the traded Mitts cause they already had their top 2 centers paid? They aren't getting another Center who would slot above Tage and Cozens
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1 minute ago, CallawaySabres said:
Greenway and Cozens. They need to get a LEGIT #1/2 Center to go with Tage.
They are paying Cozens to be 2C. Right or wrong, they won't be moving him down the lineup
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2 hours ago, CallawaySabres said:
Two of those top 6 need to be bumped down to 3rd line and they need to add a couple solid FAs in the summer to take their place. Trade 1st rounders and prospects if you need to but this top 6 is not even close to cutting it for a Stanley Cup contender.
Who are the 2?
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2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:
Maybe this thread and survey should be retitled "Which Sabre do you most want to be OFF the team next season?"
Skinner would be the clear cut winner. Especially if you don't include Olofsson and Comrie who are most definitely gone
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Greenway Thompson. Tuch
JJP Cozens. Quinn
the top 6 at today practice
are you happy if this is the top 6 going into next year ?
would be cool to get a LW to drop Greenway to the 3rd line BUT then you have an issue with what to do with Skinner. Yes, I understand his metrics are good 5v5 I just don't think you should have a one dimensional player on your top line, especially when you have the youngest team in league. Your vets need to set a standard
i would probably want them to switch Benson to 1st line and Greenway to 3rd
skinner Krebs greenway as your 3rd line isn't terrible I don't think
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4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:
young hockey teams actually means a lot
Youngest Teams
Buffalo 25.1
Arizona 26.1
Ottawa 26.2
MTL 26.2
NJD 26.4
Columbus 26.4
Chicago 27
Anaheim 27.3
the 8 youngest teams will all miss the playoffs
thorny is correct though, just cause you are young doesn't mean one day you will be good
I would suggest that it is important that the Sabres get older Organically everyone will be a year older but Olofsso nand Comrie will both be out and are 29.
The 3rd line centre is going to have to be a vet and potentially they have to bring in a legit 1st line winger
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On 3/24/2024 at 12:27 PM, Thorny said:
No, my anger is just with the 4 putrid years
Youngest team in hockey doesn’t mean anything. If you tout that as an indicator of looming success you are falling for the company line
“Philly, Tampa will take a step back”. Baseless bias, we hear this literally every year
young hockey teams actually means a lot
Youngest Teams
Buffalo 25.1
Arizona 26.1
Ottawa 26.2
MTL 26.2
NJD 26.4
Columbus 26.4
Chicago 27
Anaheim 27.3
the 8 youngest teams will all miss the playoffs
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On 3/24/2024 at 10:47 AM, Pimlach said:
Adam’s is the only one that matters. He will probably hand 2G to Levi, I would be surprised if he finally brings in an NHL goalie.
im not sure "hand him" is the right wording.. still a bit to go and we will see how he does in the AHL Pluyoffs but based on his play over the last few months Levi deserves it 4th in AHL SV% -Goalies over 10GP with a SV% of .927. Not to mention being brilliant vs Vancouver the other night.
Im just being nitpicky on the wording...
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12 hours ago, Brawndo said:
Brind’Amour isn’t a fan of the owner and it’s doubtful he would work for him.
Which owner ?
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Not sure him being a really good player is a surprise to people was consistent on the Sabres, the exact type of player they need on their PP right now.
Willing to stand in front of the net and take a beating, toughness matched with elite hand-eye co-ordination.
The current sabers have a guy with the size but but not the courage to stand in front of the net - Tuch
and a guy willing to stand in front of the net but nowhere near the skill of Samon - Greenway.
Hopefully Levi and Kulich will eventually damped the pain once they become NHL regulars
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That back check by Benson on the Kadri 2-1 is why he has a roster spot on the Sabres next season and Skinner is 13th forward at best on my books
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On 3/22/2024 at 5:52 PM, Gatorman0519 said:
And they haven’t actually rescued anything. We are devoid of top end talent. There are some ok guys, but we need a couple of elite guys.
Hey maybe they should tank next year to get the #1 pick?
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7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I don't know if he qualifies for the AHL playoffs since he wasn't on the Amerks roster on March 8th. I also wonder if Savoie will join once his WHL season ends and if he's eligible for the postseason.
He (Savoie) played last season under the exact same circumstances. Have to think he is eligible
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Savoie ends his regular season with 71 points in 34 games
his 2.09 pts/gm was the leagues best
think a lot of us are sleeping on how good this player is already
He will either have a long trip towards the Memorial Cup or be an integral part of the Amerks playoff push
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4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:
It's sickening watching other teams power play units. How far advanced they are compared to the Sabres
And there is a 3rd PP goal vs canes tonight by the Caps
The Jeff Skinner decision
in The Aud Club
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I could see it if Skinner had any sort of balance to his play .