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He was so disconsolate about not getting Connor McDavid that his exit interviews at the lottery came with the deadened intonation of a hostage reading a list of demands.
I stopped reading at that point. Two things wrong with that phrase. The first is even relating such a subject to this situation. The second is that even if the author had used a more appropriate comparison the point is that Tim Murray has the same damn expressionless intonation in everything he does.
Hey Tim, congratulation on getting married! - "Thanks, she had the best odds to make a good life moving forward. You never know. It's free to listen to other offers."
Hey Tim, congratulations on the birth of your first child! - "Thanks, the future is uncertain for him. You expect he'll be successful but he could be a criminal. We'll see what happens."
Hey Tim, sorry to hear about your dog passing away. - "Thanks, at that age you have to expect something to happen. It's likely going to be a bad outcome."
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Kane was done in Winnipeg. They wanted him gone ASAP. You would think this would give Murray the bargaining leverage, but he caved to Cheveldayoff's demands anyway.
Murray has got to stop telling his trading partners how much he loves their guy. He is playing poker by showing the other guy his cards. Bad strategy. Murray is known in hockey circles as a scout (and definitely not a negotiator it seems.)
Right now he is getting by with this strategy because the Sabres had acquired so many assets previously. Those assets are drying up as Murray deals them away at a brisk pace.
I guarantee you he will overpay again in a couple months!
If you look at things in a vacuum it may be. Your statement suggests that some other team wasn't offering something slightly less valuable to the jets so unless Murray got there he wasn't going to get the trade.
Murray's job is to assess talent and make the team better. His willingness to give up players is based upon so many more factors than we'd ever know. We can only judge by the outcome of the trade after the fact. The value of this trade hasn't become clear yet.
When a GM makes a trade it isn't always just about that one deal. The deal could be setting the stage for the future. Murray cleared a few contracts with the deal and removed the need to deal with a future contract on the books in Lemieux. imagine if you only made the best move in chess based only on the biggest possible gain at that very moment without regard to the future gains. You'd be a horrible chess player.
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There's a world of difference in saying the wrong thing as opposed to saying something the wrong way.
Tim Murray says what he feels and he doesn't try and sugar coat it. Because most of the world lives its life trying NOT to offend someone people get all bent out of shape at straight forward comments.
As for what the media says, who cares. The media's job is to overreact to everything these days. So, go figure, they overreacted because those people have chosen a profession where they have to pander to the neanderthals of this world who can't take a moment to think for themselves. It's important that people tell us how we should feel about something.
I can't believe the amount of wasted energy that has gone into this. The speculation that players won't want to come here because of what Murray said. As a player I know I'm going to get straight talk from the guy. A guy like that will get players like that. Those are players who don't spend their time needing someone to coddle them. They don't need psychology. They have the desire to show up and play and be called out when they suck.
It all sounds too horrible for me.
The fact that Murray clarified his statements the next day doesn't prove he was wrong. It merely suggests that he recognizes and was probably asked to clarify his comments so people would stop crying over things.
As for fans being upset, I think people are just pissed they didn't get the first pick. Perhaps there's some underlying bias towards a Canadian player over a US born player and their ability to dominate.
At this point I no longer care. Eichel is coming (most likely) and every report I've seen on him says he's outstanding. I've not heard any negatives. I keep seeing comparisons on how he compares to other recently drafted players who went through the NCAA, etc. He seems to have blown them away.
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Spoonfed fan base takes what they are given with a smile.
I also use a knife and fork when necessary. Even used a spork two or three times.
What's worse? (draft position 2010-2015)
Team A: #1, #1, #1, #7, #3, #1
Team B: #23, #16, #12, #8, #2, #2
I think Edmonton wins in a landslide. No matter what the Sabres have done the past two seasons.
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Not trying to put the Otters out of business, but trying to take over the team.
I think shortbusrider has an interesting angle on this.
Despite his choice in name?
"I swear at this point the Sabres could go 16-0 in the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup and people here would be complaining."
Incredible burn.
Someone would. You know it. Everyone bitched about winning too many games. Then they rejoiced for finishing 30th. Then they bitched that the coach was let go because they lost.
It's like bitching about having to mow the grass all the time when you also fertilize the hell out of it and water it like crazy.
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i think it is actually french...
Damn.. that's even worse.
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The team was terrible for the last 2 years in hopes of getting the best player in this draft. Not the 2nd best.
I pulled this as I was going through the thread and then you built upon it. For what it's worth they weren't terrible two years ago so they could draft 1st this year. They only have to be terrible one year. Still, as the system goes no team is guaranteed the top pick so unless you are a moron you can't lose to get #1.. you can only lose to get pick 1 or 2. The fact that you completely ignore that and believe that somehow the Sabres weren't aware of this fact is ridiculous. It happened last year to the Sabres. Clearly they know how it works.
Anyhow, the bottom line is this. We do have loads of good young talent here now. The B.S. is done with and so is the tanking. It is most definitely time to move forward with Jack. I just hope we get a very good coach with a very good system. This will be the next really important move by our GM. God bless you Jack and Tim Murray, please bring respectability back to this franchise. I have not worn my closet full of Sabres gear in 3 years and am dying to break it out!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why wouldn't you wear the Sabres stuff? What does that say about you? I'd wear it. When people make a comment you just say "I'm here through the good and the bad." End of story. Otherwise.. find another bandwagon.
Seriously. Or any media training at all.
Just off the top of my head, here's what you say: "Of course you always want to draft first, but we're not disappointed right now and our fans shouldn't be disappointed either. We know there are two really special players coming out of this draft and we're excited to add one of them. Better days are coming for this team."
Whining about how you always want to have the best and not the second best, or how the NHL should have never changed the odds in the draft last Summer sounded ****ing terrible tonight.
Because that's the line of crap everyone spews and no one believes. If he had said that we'd be on here picking him apart for being delusional about not wanting the #1 pick. He lays it out exactly like it is. The fact that some people can't handle reality doesn't surprise me. He's not whining, he's making an absolute statement. Who the hell chooses the second best of anything willingly? Who? No one. It's stupid.
He hates the system. And you know what cracks me up is that so many people on here are bitching about the system too. So here we are blasting Murray for getting shots in on the NHL while also taking those same shots. This place amazes me sometime.
Potentially the difference between Crosby and Bobby Ryan, for starters.
Hate hate hate. It's all you got. All of the people who get paid to evaluate talent seem to disagree with you. So, please give me some reason why I should give your comment here any merit?
"I'm disappointed for our fans." -GMTM
What does that tell you?
It tells me that he hates the fact the NHL has a lottery and because of that "our fans" have to deal with no getting the #1 pick.
Puck Daddy is generally reliable. Are you suggesting that this quote was never uttered to anyone?
Rolling Stone was deemed pretty reliable too.. until they had a UVa rape story to run with.
Does it suck they don't pick #1? Sure. Does it suck they get Eichel? No.. not at all.
Get over it. This team will be a lot better next year and there is a lot of talent.
At this point I swear people on here would find something to complain about if the Sabres won the Stanley Cup.
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So McDavid seemed less than thrilled that the Oilers won,and Edmonton wouldn't come out and say definitively they would draft McDavid. Oilers can't trade out either or they will miss out on Eichel.
I think there maybe drama brewing with this. Could Oilers take Eichel over McDavid????
Meh. They all but said they will be moving someone from their group. McDavid just made RNH expendable. Who wants to trade for RNH?
There's a certain cool factor on having the US born star on the team. He's coming for us... he said so. He knew. He can see the future. That should help him.
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I don't even know where to start with this.
You don't.
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Stoll... WTF.
Good move.
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Good thing I am slammed busy all day until the drawing so I don't have to think about it.
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Didn't Ted Black "oversee" the lottery when the Penguins were awarded Crosby?
Hmmm...
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Murray will be there, but not in the drawing room. He'll be with the other GMs.
You'll be able to tell if he knows how the drawing will go based on the look on his face. :w00t:
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The second teaser was amazing. The shot of the downed star destroyer was incredible.
Things look really good.
And I think I could watch X-wings fly over water all day.
But.. have you seen this:
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Have you ever been hit on the big bone in your wrist by a metal stick before? I have as I played goalie my whole life. It ###### hurts and it hurts bad for at least five minutes. There was no embellishment and who are you to say he was overreacting? Until you've actually been there then it's best to not comment. Stones playoffs are probably over because of a two handed baseball swing to a basically bare wrist that broke a bone. You guys that assume everything, but have never actually been there are ridiculous. I love PK, but that was a punk move.
Shrader and I both play. We both know how to embellish (I'm assuming Shrader does). It may have hurt him, but Stone embellished.
And I'll believe his playoffs are over when he's not on the ice for the next game. The way that coach was talking after the game shows me he's not against some gamesmanship.
Years ago I took a double handed slash that got me across both arms right above the glove. I remember the feeling. I also remember being able to play without problem but if I had tried to do a push up, or use my arms to push myself up from a table I would be in excruciating pain. That only lasted 9 months though..... ugh.
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That's a bitch move by Subban.
Ottawa has players it can afford to lose for the entire playoffs if need be.
There was no need to slash at all there. He took a shot at one of the best players on the team. He deserves more.
Oh well. The league likes retribution.
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Pierre McGuire
It's crap like this that will earn you that troll reputation.
Could you imagine a press conference with him?
Reporter: "Pierre, what are your thoughts on signing UFA X?"
Pierre: "I'll tell you, UFA X has everything it takes, you know he's a product of the Saskatoon Ice Fishers back when he was 13-14. he was coached by Jimmy Twosticks who also coached Player X. They shared a room together on a trip to Edmonton one year. They really hit it off. But it he really took off when he spent time in the Kelowna Rockets hwere he played minutes with Player Y. Those two brought it like you wouldn't believe and their coach was Gord Hockey who had tremendous influence over him. You know Gord influenced a lot of players from his time coaching under Ian Faceoff at Moncton back in the 80's and playing for Coach Dale Icing in the 70's while they were in St. Brunswick."
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With ideas like that, Terry Pegula is glad you aren't his financial advisor. :huh:
Meh. he just paid a coach 3 years for 1 year of service. He can go drill a well. :) It's not about money here...
You can add a couple of more players and still not equal what Lucic brings. At still only 26 years old the man is a BEAST.
Not wanting Lucic on the Sabres is like not wanting Brock Lesnar as your tag team partner. It's pure insanity. If the Bruins did put him on the market there would be 29 GM's calling the Bruins.
Picking up Lucic not only would you be getting a one of kind player, you'd also wouldn't have to play against him and you would have Lucic on your roster to play against the Bruins.
Well, I'm not up on my wrestling.. so let's say I would consider it more like not wanting Brock Lesnar because I want John Cena or something like that.
Ever since the Miller incident I've not felt as though Lucic has had an impact on any game against the Sabres. Certainly not as much as Marchand has...
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Agreed. There were numerous points where he could have passed the puck.
Tarasenko and Ennis should have been 1/2. Nyquist could have been #10 if we needed to reward him.
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Sure, fine, how does that affect the situation between Nashville and Chicago?
Not one bit.. but I wonder now..
What would be the season ticket sales volume for the Sabres if the season ticket holders couldn't sell off all those games after the fact? What if Buffalo instituted a policy that you could only sell off tickets to non-conference games?
We might see a dramatic drop in sales.
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Why would LaFontaine need to win favor with Sabre fans? That would be like Andre Reed needing to win over Bills fans (ok, I'll admit, I couldn't find a good Bills analogue for LaFontaine).
PLF didn't need to. Sorry it might have been unclear. My post was regarding WHY PLF was brought in by Pegula.
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I think the Sabres should sign him...
and assign him to Rochester...
who assigns him to the Jackals...
who release him.
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Really. StubHub claims to have a workaround, but I can't imagine what it is: https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150414/west-loop/nashville-predators-stubhub-at-odds-over-blackhawk-tickets
"The Predators ticket sales rep said that same credit card must be used to enter Wednesday or Friday's games (and any additional playoff games at Bridgestone Arena)."
Doesn't this seem... kind of illegal?
If it's not.. can we get this action on Sabres season ticket holders? Bye bye Leafs fans!
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Fine you disagree, buy if it walks like a duck... Starting to see a concerning pattern. Hey i have my bias and you guys seem to think Murray is a shiny new toy. I'll admit it if i am wrong, but if this Murray experiment craps the bed it will set Sabres back even more... A lot will depend on his choice for the next coach... And yes it will be his choice this time.
If it walks like a duck is usually used when there's a duck involved. If you say it walks like a duck but everyone else sees a lion then it doesn't really apply. If any hiring, draft pick, decision craps the bed it sets things back, that's pretty much how it works.
Which begs the question that if you have such opposing view, why did you hire that guy in the first place? Every defense I've ever heard for LaFontaine leaving implies that he was a buffoon.
Winning favor with the Sabres fans. Not that it ended well or was a particularly well thought out decision in the first place it seems.
Around the NHL: 2014-2015
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Ding! Winner.