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  1. 4 hours ago, nfreeman said:

    I am highly skeptical that KA could've gotten more for Mitts than Byram.  Frankly, I'm pretty surprised he got that much.

    The price for Mitts level player is generally a mid- to late-1st and an equivalent prospect.

    You'd never get 4th overall for that package.

    So the pertinent question is why has Byram's stock dropped, and is it justified.

     

    5 hours ago, Brawndo said:

    I do believe this is the first in series of moves.

    Could Jokiharju be on the move by Friday? 

     

    If you ignore handedness and go by contract and skillset, its a no-brainer that Henri gets moved now.

    But the handedness thing just makes it weird. (As an aside, Henri's play this year is the most under-discussed Sabres positive)

    I can see a world where Ras is RD1 and Henri and Cliffy are 5 and 6 by ice time, but one of them is on the RD2 in terms of the lineup card

    Most pissed-off guy on the team has to be Ryan Johnson. (As an aside, if you're honest with yourself, Bryson has outplayed him since he's been called up)

     

    3 hours ago, Brawndo said:

     

    Chucking him out there with Ras is so on-brand for Buffalo.

     

    3 hours ago, ... said:

    I didn't like him at all until about a month and half ago when it became apparent what he was trying to do, other than scoring, was working more than it was not. If we gave Mitts 7 years to develop the game he just left us with, we can give Krebs the rest of this season to develop his. I think they're relatively similar except Krebs will actually do stupid things like hit other players and be an agitator.

    I've said it before, in his 3rd pro season Mittelstadt was putting up 22 points while going in and out of the lineup.

    Krebs has an interesting opportunity here.

     

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  2. Thought people might be interested in Byram's Elite Prospects scouting report from his draft year:

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/326522/bowen-byram

     An exceptionally gifted defenceman who knows his strengths and plays by them. He possesses elite skating ability and is at his best when playing high energy, up-tempo hockey. He handles the puck well and is able to keep control of it under pressure. He makes calculated decisions that consistently shift momentum in his team's favor. His creativity in the offensive zone speaks to his confidence in his ability to be a game-changer.

    Defensively astute, he actively takes away lanes and limits options for the oncoming opposition. All-in-all, Bowen Byram is a workhorse who understands how to take advantage of turnovers and shift the pace of play in his favor in all three zones. (Curtis Joe, EP 2019


    He’s an excellent skater, with good balance, explosiveness and a high-end top-gear., EPrinkside.com 2019
    Byram does a good job of holding the blue line, and he uses an active stick to interrupt passing lanes and disrupt oncoming puck-carriers, EPrinkside.com 2019
    The best aspect of his hockey-sense is his ability to rapidly process the play. This extends to all three-zones, Hockeyprospect.com 2019
    Possessing excellent vision, creativity and awareness, he’s a highly-precise passer, Future Considerations 2019
    He is a near elite passer from the blueline, just as comfortable with a short pass as with a stretch pass, or flip pass, McKeen's Hockey 2019

    And from the Athletic:

    https://theathletic.com/947751/2019/05/06/wheeler-final-ranking-for-the-2019-nhl-drafts-top-100-prospects/

    5. Bowen Byram — LHD, Vancouver Giants, 6-foot-0

    I’ve already broken down Byram’s game as the best defenceman in the draft and a frontrunner for third overall in considerably more detail but the short of it is that while there is still work to be done on his defensive play, particularly with his effort and his spacial awareness within defensive zone schemes, Byram is one of the better goal scoring defencemen the NHL draft has seen in recent memory. Furthermore, he is an excellent three-zone passer and a strong skater who can recover from mistakes made pushing the play into the high slot if the puck goes back the other way. And he just keeps getting better, and better and better. The Byram of the last half of the season and into the playoffs was one of the best players in junior hockey.

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  3. 9 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

    I'm guessing here, but long term, I think the goal would be for Byram and Power to get about 18-19 minutes even strenght per game.  They seem to want to use Power on the PK, so Byram can take the role of 2nd unit PP Qb.  They both end up with 20-22 minutes per game that way, HOPEFULLY bringing Dahlin down to the 23-24 range (he is over 25 now)

    If it works the way it's envisioned you're going to see Byram used largely like you see Power used.

    I know it's pretty much vanished around the league, but I think you may see the Sabres bringing back a PP with 2 real blueliners on it.

    9 hours ago, #freejame said:

    If he’s healthy I don’t think people will end up disappointed with Bryam. It’s just not the best use of assets imo. 

    I think this is the most realistic reaction for this exact moment in time.

     

    9 hours ago, rickshaw said:

    It’s not the worst deal but it leads me to believe more is in the works.

    I know it’s potential but our defense could be serious in a few years if they can add some right handed players.

    The Avs made this deal work for them by dumping Johanssen and adding Walker.

    I'm not sure about the D — I kinda think we are going to run with our top 4 in ice time all being LH next year — but removing Casey certainly opens space under the cap and on the roster for a more robust, hard-nosed middle-six forward.

    8 hours ago, Thorny said:

    I mean, they are 2.5 years apart. If you keep Casey yes you have the better player now, and maybe Byram’s improvement gets him back to what he was. But why isn’t Casey being afforded that same likelihood? If I had to guess who was more likely to improve, I’d go with Casey, given trajectory 

    Also I don’t really agree with the Tuch comp. Casey is younger, and also Tuch was in the midst of a career outlier season. Casey’s saw a progression and back to back 60 point seasons 

    Definitely disagree with the bolded. Casey may have an outlier season in him, but as a 25-year-old centre with more than 300 games, I think what we've seen the past 2 years is basically what we're going to get with Casey. 

    As a 22-year-old D with 140 games played, Byram definitely has a lot more runway. First comparable that popped in to my mind is Morgan Reilly, who's not dissimilar in pedigree. Byram has 63 points in his first 143 NHL games, Reilly had 59 in his first 154. Noah Hanifin had 54 in his first 160. Miro Heiskanen 68 in 150. Byram's no Quinn Hughes, but he's got plenty of room to grow.

     

    8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    or getting a concussion victim who will never be the same (see Tim Connolly for example) for a player just maturing into stardom (see Sam Reinhart for example). 

    This is a realistic worst-case scenario.

     

    8 hours ago, Thorny said:

    Question: As mentioned, I can definitely see the talent with Byram. From a team building standpoint I find it confusing. But, for someone/those more confident than me in this trade ending up beneficial: Do you see the trade potentially improving the team as soon as next season? Would you argue that is likely? Or is that more best case scenario, with your likely estimation being we see net improvement further down the line? 

    What say you? I’m open to the idea Byram could end up the better player but it literally only matters, for me, if it can happen for next season 

    It's pretty damn hard to predict when a talented young player will cement himself as simply a very good player. Byram hasn't done that yet.

    That said, Byrum for Eric Johnson should improve the defence corps.

    Your answer is more likely to come from how the other pieces fit as referenced in my reply to @rickshaw: how Adams replaces Casey and the other players that move on from this .500 team. These things don't happen in a vacuum. I don't think the issues with this year's Sabres are mostly about talent.

    7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

    It's just confusing from a team building perspective and if he doesn't stay healthy or return to form, we fail... again. 

    Maybe a team doesn't have to be built in the mould of 1999 Devils. Maybe it's OK having a really talented attacking defenceman on the ice at all times? it never hurt the '70s Habs.

    Maybe all that matters is your guy being better than the other guy and the 'how' doesn't matter?

    Because even though I like the player, he certainly isn't the profile I would have targeted.

    7 hours ago, Believer said:

    Adams hasn’t shown trade chops yet… Mitts for Byram is a start, if Byram stays healthy…

    Will be impressed if he moves Samuelson while he has high value for a RH top 4 D in late 20’s… or Tuch for a 20+ goal scorer who plays a physical 200 ft game, likes to be at the net, and goes every game.

    Show us what you got Adams. You sure sold Pegula… Show us you can sell Buffalo.

    I think this trade should obliterate the narrative that Adams doesn't have the balls to trade away pieces from the happy-to-be-here group, or the one that he's unwilling to take a risk.

    I also wondering why we haven't heard much celebration from the 'wake up the pampered country club' crowd. In my view Adams couldn't have fired a clearer shot across that bow than trading your leading scorer, hugely popular dressing room figure and party house host.

     

    7 hours ago, Derrico said:

    Just as much risk we overpay Mitts and he reverts to who he has been most of his career.  

    I don't believe this will happen, but it's just as legitimate a worry as Byram going full Ryan Murray.

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  4. Guy this affects the most off the hop is Peyton Krebs, who should be the 3C for the remainder of the year, and with the likely moves of Girgs and Okposo moves from 10-11 on the depth chart to more like a 7-8 slot.

    Looks like that really was a test drive they gave him a week or so back.

  5. Going to miss Casey. I really respect the way he has overcome adversity and have enjoyed watching him play.

    I also think he is going to be missed in the room.

    This trade gives the Avs a better chance at winning the cup this year and I don't blame them for making it. Can Sabrespace handle yet another good centre traded to the eventual cup winner?

    That said, I'm left with the impression Adams stood his ground in his evaluation and made the Avs pay a price they didn't really want to pay.

    Hope this is one of those deals where both teams benefit.

    ***

    Unrelated, I was not at all expecting a major deal involving core pieces. Glad to see it happen and glad to see some life injected into the board.

    I have some reading to catch up on.

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  6. Not really buying the idea here that this is a "futures" trade.

    Byram can and should be playing on the Sabres 2nd pairing now and for the immediate future. In a perfect world (<--please note) he is the mercurial Guy Lapointe to Power's refined Serge Savard.

    I expect bumps, but this is a 146-game NHL vet who has played heavy minutes in the Stanley Cup final, not an 18-year-old 17th overall pick. He'll play now and he will contribute.

    Pretty much every one of you wanted the Sabres to turn one of their skilled forwards into a top 4 D. That is exactly what this trade is attempting to do. it's just not the skilled forward you wanted to trade, or the type of top 4 D you envisioned.

    I don't disagree with the "yeah, but we don't really need a left-handed skill guy."

    But Adams clearly said ***** the fit, I want the skill.

    We'll see what happens.

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  7. Don't love it or hate it. A hockey trade, and a boom or bust kinda deal.

    I think you know what you get with Casey: good 2nd-line centre just entering his prime who competes and excels 5-on-5.

    But I'm a little surprised at the lack of knowledge on Byram: kid was the highest-ranked D in the 2019 draft and looked like a stud on the 2nd pair of a cup-winner as a 20-year-old just 2 years ago.

    He hasn't been at that level since and he has been injured, but this is a guy who still has the upside to be a 1st-pairing defenceman.

    I tell you one thing, if you had proposed this trade 2 years ago Colorado fans would have locked the thread and laughed you off the internet.

    Trading for Byram at this point of his career is like trading for Cozens at this point of his career: you know he's got more than he's shown this year, and not just because he's young, but because you've seen it. The question is how much more?

    Trading for Casey is like trading for Alex Tuch this time last year: you love what he's doing right now, but also know his value has never been higher.

    In my view Casey is clearly the better player at this moment in time, Byram clearly has more upside.

    Sell high, buy low is generally the law of good management, but that only works if you're good with your evaluations.

    This will be a very good test of our hockey department's skills at exactly that.

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  8. 56 minutes ago, Thorny said:

    Bowy will fit right in with Cozy and Krebsy. Want to be here. 

     

    Adams is collecting Team Canada's lockout world junior team.

    Cozens and Krebs were that team's top forwards, Levi its starting goalie, Quinn a middle-sixer and Byrum its top defenceman and alternate captain.

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  9. The stretch run will have no impact on the likelihood of making the playoffs either way.

    It's not going to change Adams offseason plan either. Generally speaking, he's bringing back the kids, shopping to replace the UFAs and deciding what to do with his RFAs, picks and prospects based on possible returns. We might see a start to that this week.

    Granato is coming back unless the bottom really falls out down the stretch. He gets to start next season, but he wont survive a slow start. Only other thing that might change that is Brind'Amour wanting the job.

  10. On 3/2/2024 at 8:21 AM, nfreeman said:

    Not a damn thing IMHO.

    Once again they are a day late and a dollar short — and once again they are putting up empty numbers against opponents who are not bringing their A games in the 2nd half of the season against yet another crappy Sabres team.

    To be fair, I suppose we can infer that UPL might be a real NHL goalie.  But I’m not going any further than that as far as making any determinations about the team as a whole.

    I still want a new coach and some new players.  

     

    23 hours ago, Thorny said:

    A lot of it is noise relative to how close we are to fielding a “proper” team re:achieving results necessary to make the playoffs 

    our goal differential last season: 19th

    our goal differential this season: 20th

    I like that I said “shell game” a million times this offseason cause that’s what the numbers bear out 

     

    13 hours ago, Marvin said:

    This is 3 years running where they have significantly improved their results in the second half.  Whoever is coaching next year needs to get this team playing consistently from day 1.  Meanwhile, GMKA must work with the coach over the summer to find the right combination of players, player types, and player experience to keep lulls in play brief.

     

    All spot-on, perfectly reasonable and really interesting to me in the context of the purge, draft and develop from the ground-up plan Adams sold to Pegula almost exactly 3 years ago.

    Year 1 the focus was on trading Eichel, playing the kids who wanted to be here and seeing what they had

    • They went .394 in the first half and .452 in the 2nd and the vibes went way up

    Year 2 the focus was on skill development above all else, showing the kids they could produce in the best league in the world

    • They went .483 in the first half and .533 in the 2nd and the goals for went way up

    Year 3 the focus was on learning how to prevent goals and playing with NHL consistency, discipline and structure

    • They went .447 in the first half and (so far) .609 in the 2nd with the goals against taking a significant drop

    It's impossible to ignore the fact that it is reasonable  to expect a rebuilding team to make the playoffs in the third year of its rebuild, especially when that team finished just 1 point out last year.

    But I also find it hard to ignore the fact that each year Granato was handed something particularly broken at the start of the year, asked to fix it, and then showed real, demonstrable evidence of doing so over the course of the year.

    Is it a shell game? Are these 2nd-half improvements proof of progress or just empty calories? Is this step-by-step process unnecessarily slow and painful when the focus should have been on winning immediately?

    Or is this what "building the right way" from within looks like?

    I just don't know.

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  11. 19 minutes ago, Gatorman0519 said:

    Goaltending and defense got better, offense and special teams tanked.  Thus we are worse than last year. 

    Offence and PP. PK is up from 28 to 18 and trending up: 10th in this quarter.

    Don't think it is any coincidence the defence and the PK have improved hand-in-hand and the offence and the PP have done the same in the opposite direction.

    The Sabres have 41 fewer goals this year than they had at the same time last year. Tuch, Thompson and Cozens have 35 fewer goals than they had at the same time last year. 16 of those on the PP.

    Had we maintained last year's PP, I believe we'd be in the race right now.

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  12. Just now, DarthEbriate said:

    Based on the offenses they played against in the 3rd quarter breakdown... nothing yet.

    We need to see if they can keep it going for the next month -- basically Feb 25th (FLA) through March 30th (TOR). Keep this stretch of offenses under 3.0 gpg and now we're talking.

    I'm inclined to agree with this but:

    • Carolina 2
    • Florida 3, 4
    • Vancouver 1
    • Dallas 2
    • Tampa 2, 3
    • Minnesota 2
    • Los Angeles 0, 3
    • Ottawa 3

    is what they've done against the good and decent offences faced this quarter

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  13. I don't think anyone would accept Adams coming back with the same roster next season.

    I don't think anyone expects Adams to give up on his young core.

    Moving on from all or most of free agents Girgensons, Okposo, Robinson, Jost, Olofsson, EJ and Comrie will create the roster and cap space to make additions, and our prospect capital gives us ammunition to translate those additions to improvements.

    I'm curious what people think about how much more the rest of the current roster has to give?

    How much improvement should we expect from within?

    (If you think a player is going to give us roughly the same, leave the box unticked)

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  14. Not my opinion, it's what the numbers say:

    The Sabres finished last season 24th in the NHL in defence, allowing 3.35 goals per game

    • In the 1st quarter of this season they were 18th, allowing 3.33
    • In the 2nd quarter of this season they were 25th allowing 3.40
    • In the 3rd quarter of this season they are 1st allowing 2.16

    Overall this season they are tied for 12th allowing 2.98

    The last time the Sabres finished in the top half of the league in goals against was 2009/10, Ryan Miller's Vezina season. The only time they've been close since was when they finished 16th out of 30 in Bylsma's first year.

    What, if anything, should we read into this?

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  15. 2 hours ago, SwampD said:

    Ugh.

    So, it is the fan’s fault?

    Of course not.

    Just saying that it is pretty naive to expect the players to respond to the type of rhetoric being pitched around here in anything other than a negative way.

    Just like I think it would be even more naive for the team to expect the fans to respond to this season in anything other than a negative way.

    39 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

    What repercussions?

    And what players are you crediting for nobly signing extensions bc they believed the city and fans were wonderful?

    Power? Is there any scenario where doesn't sign that contract?

     

    See above.

    It's not about "noble". You don't think the rhetoric Adams was peddling prior to Cozens, Dahlin, Samuelsson, Thompson and Power signing influenced their decisions at all? Or that it might ring hollow to those players right now?

    And since I apparently have to say these things: the above does not absolve any of them for their bad play, nor suggest any fan should not be upset about same, or feel sorry for the players.

    I happen to agree with most of your reply to Swamp above. Tried to say the same thing in my initial post.

  16. The amount of hatred that has been directed their way and this surprises you?

    I think Sabrespace feels like it has been shouting into the wind at this franchise for so long, it’s lost perspective on what it is actually putting out there right now, and that people are actually listening.

    I’ve been here for the entire dark era - through far worse and more uncaring teams - and I don’t ever remember it feeling this personal. I think it’s far more of a reaction to the entire disastrous Pegula era than it is about these players, but they are paying big-time for the organization making us actually feel hope in September.

    The fanbase may have turned on this franchise because of a decade of truly horrible hockey, but it turned on this particular group of players after less than 3 months of mediocrity. And, in my view, has treated them with a degree of disdain that far outstrips what their actual play and effort warrants.

    What Donnie is saying is that in the past year or two, a number of players made a long-term good-faith commitment to fix this. And they did it not ‘in spite of the city being a dump” but because they believed in Kevyn Adams story of this wonderful city and fanbase and group of players who could build something special together.

    But I know most of you just want to be mad and I’m the one shouting into the wind. It’s not really about the hockey on here anymore; we’ve given up on talking about that. It's just win, and ***** off until you do.

    You guys may be entitled to your rage, and it’s clear you feel entitled to it, but that should not make you oblivious to its repercussions.

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  17. I like this team and the majority its players. It still gives me hope. Over my 50 years of fandom, I'd put it somewhere in the bloated middle of the pack.

    I dislike the degree of hatred it gets on here and am sad that 13 years of Pegula has skewed people's perspectives to the point it has. 

    But to answer the question in good faith, I disliked all these teams more:

    • The 2021 Krueger team was a god-awful mix of uncaring mercenaries and unhappy-to-be-here vets that couldn't score to save its life, played mind-numbingly boring hockey and lost game after game after game. That team fully deserved the scorn this team gets.
    • The 2018 and 19 Botterill/Housley teams were extraordinarily hard to love, absolutely bereft any kind of edge or esprit de corps, and loaded with has-beens, not-yets and never-weres. Eichel's considerable talent was perhaps its only redeeming quality.
    • The Bylsma teams offered a bit more hope than the Housley teams, but god-damn were they dull.
    • The tank teams were miserable affronts to the concept of NHL talent, leavened only by Ted Nolan's charm and attitude in the face of the mess around him.
    • Perspective over time has elevated the last Lindy teams, but at the time it was very clear they were a team on the decline and any hope was false hope.
    • The 02/03 team(s) kinda mirrored the last Lindy teams, in that you knew the good times were past and the road to their return was bleak. No more Peca, no Hasek, and only the me-first Miro Satan (maybe my most disliked "good" Sabre) for skill.
    • Some may have fond memories of the last Muckel/first Nolan team in '95ish, but the pleasure of Ted's underdog schtick and the May/Ray/Barnaby fun didn't start to ignite until the following year. I remember that year as the year the promise of the Lafontaine/Mogilny years was snuffed and the talent stripped from the organization.
    • '85-'86 was a nightmare, the first time in my experience the Sabres were actually bad, with my passage to adult hockey fandom slamming home with the realization that Scotty Bowman wasn't really a genius and his collection of 1st-rounders weren't actually going to be great players.
    • And '86-'87 was absolutely the worst year. Instead of a rebound, we got a hamfisted collection of waiver-wire pickups and has-beens like Clark Gillies and Wilf Paiement and the worst start in franchise history as we plunged to all-time low in the standings. Perreault retiring 20 games in - giving up - was the final, crushing blow.

    This season will either mark a growth chapter where adversity shaped the Adams Sabres, or the beginning of the end of his era. The team wins about as much as it loses. The coach is nice guy who may be in over his head and players seem like nice kids who want to do the right thing.

    I'm disappointed in them. I don't dislike them at all.

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  18. The Canuck blueprint to go from 27th at last year's all-star break to 1st t this year's all-star break:

    • Replace Boudreau with Tocchet, along with switching most of the rest of the coaching staff.
    • (Effectively) trade Horvat for Hronek
    • Swap a handful of depth guys (Bear, Schenn, Ekman-Larsson, LAzar, Dries) for a different handful of depth guys (Cole, Suter, Lafferty, Blueger, Soucy)
    • Have your core (Petterson, Miller, Demko, Hughes, Boeser) all have fantastic years at the same time.

    I can tell you guys first-hand from living in the market that one year ago the Canucks fan base was a frustrated and out of hope as you seem to be, and fan expectations in training camp were very low for this season.

  19. For those who wonder what came first: the defence or the saves?

    (from the Buffalo News)

    https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nhl/sabres/upls-ascent-power-play-struggles-among-sabres-trends-to-watch-after-the-break/article_91265290-bf97-11ee-b2f3-33094822947d.html

    1. Improved defense

    Granato didn’t implement any changes to the Sabres’ 5-on-5 system this season. Instead, he and his assistant coaches have placed a greater emphasis on different areas of their game to improve their team defense. A healthier lineup, and fewer turnovers, have helped Buffalo allow the third-fewest goals in the NHL since Jan. 1. The Sabres’ 28.7 shots allowed per game during that span is the ninth-best mark in the league and, according to Natural Stat Trick, they’re sixth in shot quality against at 5-on-5.

    2. No. 1 goalie

    Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen has emerged as the Sabres’ No. 1 goalie since the holiday break. His .940 save percentage in nine starts since Dec. 30 ranks eighth in the NHL during that span. He’s also posted a 1.57 goals-against average, which is lower than everyone except Edmonton’s Stuart Skinner, and a 6-3 record. Luukkonen’s .942 save percentage at 5-on-5 is tied with Skinner for the second-best mark, trailing only Connor Hellebuyck of the Winnipeg Jets.

    According to NHL’s Edge data, Luukkonen’s .896 save percentage on high-danger shots is above league average.

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  20. Good thread topic. "Like" has nothing to do with how good or bad they are —now, or over all.

    The answers seem to inevitably be a poster's initial take/expectations for a player multiplied by "what have you done for me lately".

    I think I like Skinner less than the board does, and most of the others the same or more.

    That's probably because so many of these guys made a good first impression (Levi, Power, Samuelsson, Ryan Johnson, Benson, Peterka, Quinn, Tuch) or rewarded my patience (Thompson, Mittelstadt, Greenway, Dahlin, Clifton, Luukkonen).

    History and the relative inexperience of most, makes me think many of them are/will be better than they are right now.

    i think many of you are looking at these players through the lens of 15 years of years of disappointment and are justifiably angry that they teased last year, then failed.

    I'm more looking at it as year three after a scorched-earth rebuild and crossing my fingers that this is the adversity that teaches a young team the lessons it needs for future success.

    Probably naive. I was wrong about where Murray had taken us in year three and wrong about what i thought Botterill was setting up for in year three.

    But the question was about "like" and I like these players more than any group over the drought. I think they have skill and heart but lack experience, confidence and cohesion.

    They still play like the boys most are.

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  21. 27 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

    For the second point you make, because mistakes of course are made where your goalie makes a save, but by focusing on goals allowed, we can look at where mistakes are likely made and see the result of them.  Its just more efficient than spending 3 hours breaking down film is the best way to put it.

    As far as the first point who is freelancing?  2 parts to that question.  Cozens is the #1 offender. There are times where the 5 man unit is in their own zone and everything is going pretty well, and then for ZERO reason he takes off and chases a puck into the corner, the puck comes back out to where he was supposed to be and there is your goal against. The best way I can describe it is he is like a Dog chasing a squirell, or a cat chasing string...he just can't control himself.  Others make that mistake too (Okposo surprisingly a lot, and as much as everyone loves Benson, he can be a liability in his own zone this way) but by far Cozens has done it dozens of times in the past year leading to goals against.  Who doesn't do it much? Normally Greenway. He had a bad game last night but he is pretty good as maintaining is D-zone coverage usually. Also Thompson and Girgensons. They both often look like they aren't doing a lot in the defensive zone but are holding position where they should be.

    A side not, while Girgensons is someone many think is close to useless or want to get rid of, he is one of the players on this team that USUALLY plays positionally well in his own end and is probabaly the 2nd best forechecker on this team next to Tuch. 

    The 2nd part of that isn't 'freelancing', but just that when coming back into the defensive zone, the forwards seem to frequently all go to the side of the ice the puck is on. If the puck is on the far side, both the far side winger and the center are on the far boards, and the 'near side' winger even is near center ice, leaving the entire other side of the ice open (see the Kopitar goal last night for a great example). This happens a LOT! when watching the game I notice this even when goals aren't scored against.  In some games numerous prime scoring chances against are allow simply because the forwards ALL go to the side of the ice the puck is on, while someone from the other team just slips into the open side of the ice very easily.

    Yep. That's what I was getting at in my initial post.

    This is not a "mistake" within Granato's system. This is how it's designed.

  22. 41 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

    It could be, maybe your correct.....

    But the problem I see is is, the benefit of that would be to force turnovers, it rarely happens.  When you watch the Sabres goals scored, very few of them start with 'tilting' your forwards toward the puck holder in your own side of the ice, causing a turnover and then taking it the other way.  Plus, the screenshot I showed is just a symptom/example where you can see everyone doing it. Over the past year, many, MANY goals the sabres allowed were caused by one forward making that mistake.  Some of the guys play the right 'zone' and one chases the puck....and the goal is allowed...with no one set up to take advantage of a turnover if presented.

    Its almost like in football terms, your best defense in most situations is a zone defense, yet the Sabres fowards in their own end prefer to play man-to-man...but they don't even line up on the right guy, they just cover whoever they want. Or worse, the coach calls a zone coverage, and one guy just decides....I want to play man to man so I'm going to chase someone and leave my zone open.  It just happens so much with this team/forward group.

    I think the system is flawed, but your point about them making bad decisions seems like it happens also. 

    Whether the system is flawed, or the players aren't good enough to play it...either way it seems a change should be made.

    I agree with where you're going with the bold. Like most systems, it breaks down if just one guy is freelancing.

    So the question for me becomes who is freelancing? Why? And why is it taking so long to be corrected?

    In the bigger picture though, I still believe the offence has been a bigger issue than the defence all season.

    I'm not disagreeing with your habit of focusing on specific goals against, but I have to say that should be done with a caveat of "of course there were breakdowns" on the goals against. You'll see similar breakdowns on the highlights of most goals against, and with most teams.

    The Sabres by design play high event hockey. If they are playing their game, you expect breakdowns at both ends of the ice. They're built to win 4-3, not 2-1. They'll take the Kopitar goal if the tradeoff is 2 of those Peterka goals. Most games they just haven't been getting enough of the latter.

    You might disagree with that choice, but that's a different discussion.

    I think they're not only failing, they're failing on their own terms.

    Thanks for bringing some good discussion to the board.

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