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My 2 cents:
- it seems like an expensive price to pay, but it really all depends on how good Lehner turns out, innit? He's clearly GMTM's guy. If he turns out to be a good-to-very-good #1 goalie, it was a good trade.
- It's not like the Sabres gave up a sure-fire good NHL player. Recent #21 overall picks:
- 2012: Mark Jankowski
- 2011: Stefan Noesen
- 2010: Riley Sheahan
- 2009: John Moore
- 2008: Anton Gustafsson
- 2007: Riley Nash
- 2006: Bob Sanguinetti
Perspective.
Lehner and Sheahan roughly equal. Lehner is clearly better than the rest.
I'm going to lunch. Someone else can announce bad news until I get back.
GMTM is on the phone with Sakic as we speak.
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I think that exact discussion has happened in the war room.
Are we better off using one of those picks on Lack, Talbot or Lehner than we are on Samsonov, Blackwood or Vlader?
TM knows the answer. We will probably find out in the next 48 hours.
Or 24.
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Yeah I don't like the trade and taking emotions out of it what you're saying makes a lot of sense. There's a lot of the day still to come and GMTM has time to redeem himself.
Actually, redemption will come from what Lehner does on the ice.
If you go to the HF Sens boards, while the overriding sentiment is that they like the deal, there is a fair amount of pessimism about trading Lehner in the division and having it come back to haunt them.
That's what Ben Bishop did to them.
If you're ok with the 21st for Lehner...
If Samsonov really was their likely pick there, maybe Murray thinks Lehner is a better prospect.
He certainly will help the team more over the next five years.
Lehner is young, on his ELC and is an RFA in 2 years when his contract expires. If this trade works out, we have our goalie for when we contend. Big if though
Lehner was always the guy I wanted from the goalies who were available.
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Emotional reactions aside, this is clearly another anti-Darcy move.
He set the market and went out and got the guy he wanted.
He told us he wanted to use 21 to add a young veteran he thinks can be part of the core moving forward.
Tim Murray doesn't care that it was too much to pay in today's market, he doesn't care that Lehner sucked last year.
This is a bold statement he believes Lehner is that guy.
He wanted a big talented young goalie as a building block for what he is building here.
He took what he wanted and he paid the price.
ZFG.
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This is my greatest fear. That GMTM isn't who we think he is.
Do we just keep holding out hope that maybe GMTM knows more about hockey than we do? :unsure:
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I guess this means we got Legwand to take Girgensons roster spot because we are flipping Zemgus, Zadorov and 31 for O'Reilly.
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The goalie I wanted at the price I did not want to pay.
Let the Murray overpaid talk return
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Who thinks Lack, Talbot and Lehner are significant upgrades on Enroth and Neuvirth?
Like 10 points in the standings difference makers?
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Anyone on here old enough to have watched Jean Beliveau?
Eichel reminds me of the descriptions I've read about him.
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Highlights, not games, but Samsonov sure looks good on his clips.
Big, fast and he moves effortlessly.
Depending who is on the board, I would be OK with him at 21. He might have the most upside of any player available. At 31 he looks real good.
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If you talk about who is the best goalie to help you win next year, there is no doubt it's Anderson.
Only proven number one on the market.
Oilers add him, Mcdavid and a couple solid D and McLellan can get them into the playoffs.
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Here's the video with head scout Greg Royce.
He calls it a deep draft and expects to get NHL players at 21, 31, and even 51.
http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=830713&catid=1103
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Zacha slipping to 21...wow talk about perfect situation, make this draft happen. Eichel and Zacha!
Where are you seeing this?
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He's holding it together superbly now, but what are the odds that Liger's meltdown when Murray overpays for O'Reilly rivals this Lindy masterpiece:
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I wonder what the Avs would think of rolling the dice on #21 plus next year's first, with the 2016 conditional on O'Reilly signing. I'd add a third, or a lesser prospect like Cornel or Florentino if that's what it took.
With a young core of Kane, O'Reilly, Eichel, Reinhart, Girgs, Risto, Bogo, Zads and Pysyk, plus a healthy stable of prospects, I'm willing to sacrifice a shot at next year's Strome or Werenski. -
I will be disappointed if we trade 31 and 51 for Talbot.
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COL acquires rights to negotiate with Soderberg of Bruins.
There's the O'Reilly replacement (at least in terms of role). I think they will look to maximize assets for RoR instead of specific fit.
The question is, if the contract is eight years, $60 million, and the Avs, as a budget team, aren't interested in big contracts coming back, who has the budget, and the cap space to be in the race?
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I will say that if the contract is eight times 7.5 million, that will take a lot of teams out of the mix.
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Schopp saying no problem sacrificing Bogosian in a trade.
Says if he retired today it wouldn't hurt the team at all.
Zadorov and Pysyk already better.
Did he stop watching hockey down the stretch?
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@Blue
Five first-line guys is pretty ambitious: Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Saad?
(I'd argue Sharp used to be and Saad might be now)
Boston didn't have five. I don't think LA did either. Not if Ennis is your definition of a second-liner.
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Benning confident he will have his goalie traded tonight or tomorrow.
TSN reports that Kevin Bieksa being asked to waive his no-trade.
Bieksa is old — a badger with barbed personality — and coming off a bad year.
Not clear if he's still a good 2nd-pairing guy, or simply a cap dump.
Could see Buffalo taking him on packaged with Lack or Markstrom.
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Edmonton would have to be insane to trade RNH. He slots in perfectly behind McDavid.
So does Draisaitl, at least as a projection.
It really is a mirror of the O'Reilly/Girgensons, (or maybe an O'Reilly/Reinhart) conversation.
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I think that exact discussion has happened in the war room.
Are we better off using one of those picks on Lack, Talbot or Lehner than we are on Samsonov, Blackwood or Vlader?
TM knows the answer. We will probably find out in the next 48 hours.
Trade: Lehner and Legwand to Buffalo
in The Aud Club
Posted · Edited by dudacek
The old cliche says "Whoever gets the best player, wins the deal."
We got the best player. He is 23 and we will have his rights for another five years.
The board created a new cliche in the last days of Darcy:
"I'm tired of winning trades and losing games."
###### "value."