nfreeman
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I think Benson is a lock and Mitts is pretty iffy due to the likely cost to keep him (which I think is inflated relative to his actual value).
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8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
If any offer was made, then yes. We know Adams expressed interest. We don't know how it was received. Maybe Brisson let it be known that the Sabres were not on top of Pat's list. Of course it's in Brisson's interest to float as many teams interested in his client as possible.
OK, but that doesn't answer the question as to whether you think they made an offer.
The key point I and others have made is that it seems pretty certain that the Sabres made him an offer, which he rejected in favor of another team's offer -- most likely because he thinks the Wings are a better team than the Sabres.
Do you disagree with that point? Do you think they made him an offer or not?
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10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I find it incredulous that any agent of a player in his twilight would refuse money on the table.
So do you think the Sabres made a one-year offer?
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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:
The same as your that it did happen.
Well, I phrased mine as a guess, so there was no certainty implied, at least as to a 2-year offer.
However, I think based on the reports from credible NHL reporters and KA's own words, it's almost certain that the Sabres made an offer and that Kane chose Detroit because he felt more confident about them making the playoffs than about the Sabres doing so.
I don't think it's reasonable to interpret those reports and statements otherwise.
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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Yeah sure. That happened.
What's the basis for your apparent certainty that it didn't happen?
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52 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
And while you're at it, explain this report from Greg Wys:
So Kane didn't want a multi-year deal or he didn't get an offer for one? Or did Buffalo offer multiple years and Kane still said no? Have any sources for that? Sounds like spin to me.
Sorry but this sounds like classic jilted fan backlash.
I’d guess the Sabres offered a 2-year deal and Kane passed because, having watched them play this year and fail to show up for at least 40% of their games (including 65% of their home games), he concluded that the Sabres aren’t a real team and aren’t worthy of his last few years in the NHL.
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35 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
Hmmm, seems to me you were all in with them when they made a big deal about Tuch but whatever, you can change your ###### stance whenever you want, it's allowed, it's just the internet.
Dude.
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14 hours ago, Hank said:
What are you talking about? 6K has been consistent all year. The two starts he lost were against Pittsburgh and Philly the 2nd. If you watched those two games you know The whole team played like dogshit. Hayek himself couldn't have won those games, let alone 6K. He was spectacular tonight and against Colorado and Philly the 1st. Good to very good in the other four.
I think you mean "herself," and I beg to differ:
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2 hours ago, inkman said:
If this dude was from Wisconsin, does this signing even get noticed?
Well, Kane is #42 all-time in scoring, he's won 3 Cups and a Conn Smythe and he had 92 pts 2 seasons ago before his injury. When a guy like that joins a new team during the season as a FA, it's noteworthy.
1 hour ago, tom webster said:This, I believe, is the correct take. He wanted to be here, Buffalo offered the most money, and he chose someone the Sabres are competing with.
I had doubts of what kind of fir he was, don’t like him personally, and am not sure he’s what they want in the locker room, but him going there is an embarrassment to the front office.
If the bolded assumptions are correct, then I agree that this is a loss to the FO. It's not a huge loss, and will be forgotten quickly if Kane is cooked, but for now it sure looks like Kane decided that the Red Wings are simply in better shape than the Sabres are, and likely by a significant margin.
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Awesome.
Let the record reflect that UPL outplayed Shesterkin tonight.
I haven’t like Mitts’ game for a couple of weeks now, but he stepped up tonight in minutes 55-59.
Cozens is working hard but still squeezing the stick and making too many cute passes.
JJP and Benson are the real deal.
Tuch is leading the way right now.
All the dmen played pretty well.
Good for DM for getting them to turn the page and come out with some heart and determination tonight.
Go Sabres.
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9 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:
I really have a hard time imagining how anyone is left who doesn't want him fired ? He clearly is limited.
A lot of coaches didn't win big until they did -- and a lot of coaching changes haven't improved their teams. Remember what happened when the Sabres replaced Lindy with some young hotshot?
McD has made some mistakes and has had some bad luck. He's still got them in the playoffs every year, has won a ton of games, home and away, against quality opponents and the players still believe in him. Jalen Hurts, before yesterday, had won 16 out of his last 17 home games, in which he produced 42 TDs. Philly is the best team in the NFL and they still needed a very unlikely long FG in a heavy rain, a brain lock by Gabe Davis and a questionable non-fumble call to get to OT.
The Bills are where they are because the offense was freaking terrible for a solid 6 weeks after they beat Miami. Then they fired Dorsey -- for whom JA pushed hard to get the OC job -- and the offense looks transformed. Given the injuries and the schedule, it may be too little, too late. But I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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Well, I went to that debacle of a game in Newark on Sat. night and am not going to spend probably 3x more to go to MSG tonight.
I'll probably watch the game, but it's not a certainty.
I'm starting to feel like I felt in about year 14 of the Bills' playoff drought -- like until they make some fundamental changes, they aren't going to be a real NHL team, and it's just not worth the time or the missed opportunities to do other, more enjoyable things.
The key difference, and the reason that I'm not already out the door, is that the Bills weren't trying, but I think the Sabres still are.
That Bills game last night sure didn't help.
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3 hours ago, MattPie said:
I think this is the crux. He's good at making the team play well, but does not seem effective in the highest of pressure situations. He wins games because the team plays well enough to get ahead. Even behind earlier in the game, he's OK because it's not 100% make or break yet. But get to the end of a close game and he just can't manage things. Fine for a regular season coach, but you're always going to be disappointed in the playoffs.
I do not want them to fire McD, but this is well said and could very well be true. I remember thinking last night during the game, when they showed McD on the sidelines in the 2nd half, that he didn't look loose and confident -- just the opposite.
We'll see. The good news is that JA was terrific, and the offense looked great, for most of the game, so it doesn't appear that the post-Dorsey improvement was a one-game mirage.
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...remember that the Bills have a chance to give us a classic Buffalo sports debacle weekend tomorrow!
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Levi in. At least he might look good.
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Sheesh. I really picked a good one.
this is another nail in the “DG isn’t the right guy” coffin IMHO.
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The first 5-6 min were pretty even but since then the Sabres have gotten overrun.
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Rosen was on for both NJ goals.
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Well, this sure is a rip-roaring start.
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Flew back from visiting family into Newark, and decided to make a stop!
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Tough, experienced middle 6 forwards with good 2-way games who may be available from teams about to rebuild:
Blake Coleman, Flames -- turns 32 next week, 3 more years after this one at $4.9MM per year, 5'11, 207 lbs, won 2 cups with Tampa, 65 career playoff games (in which he has averaged 16:31 per game in TOI). 38 pts in 82 games last year.
Brock Nelson, Islanders -- 6'3", 212 lbs, age 32, 1 more year after this one at $6MM per year, 36-39-75 in 82 games last year. Plays about 18 min per game every year. 73 career playoff games -- 46 pts, just under 18 min average TOI.
Barclay Goodrow, Rangers (not rebuilding but might want to make a move to free up cap space, as Goodrow has fallen down the lineup) -- turns 31 in February, 6'3", 215 lbs, 3 more years after this one at $3.6MM per year, 81 playoff games with average TOI of 15:26, including 2 cup runs with Tampa in which he played 18 min and 17 min.
I'd be pleased if the Sabres acquired any of these guys at the right price. I'd expect Goodrow would be pretty inexpensive, Coleman would cost more and Nelson would cost the most.
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5 hours ago, Believer said:
Much to be thankful for in Sabrespace… Our owners who keep Buffalo in the NHL… our GM who filled the pipeline with future All-Pros… Our Coach who takes the heat from us as the team finds its way… and the Players who embrace the community… and work to compete and entertain us on their way to bringing a Stanley Cup to Buffalo someday soon…
Happy Thanksgiving all… Eat, Drink, and be Merry!
Good man.
Happy Thanksgiving all!
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odd man out
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Thanks for your follow-up here. I appreciate you (and everyone else here) making sure to keep it friendly.
Anyway, I don't think my stance on Mitts has been "unwavering." I think he's developed into a good player -- and there was a real risk a few years ago that he would simply wash out -- and in the abstract I would like to keep him on the Sabres.
The problem, of course, is the cost to do so, which unavoidably needs to be evaluated in the context of his actual value as well as the context of the Sabres' cap situation. He's a center who last year had 15 goals and 59 pts. This year he's on pace for about the same # of goals and closer to 75 pts. He just turned 25 and he's an RFA after this year. Locking up a player with that kind of profile will probably require something like 7 years x $7MM per year.
When I watch Mitts, I see a good player who adds value in a supporting role, but not a player that I'd want to give that kind of contract, which is the kind of contract I think needs to be reserved for franchise cornerstones. Especially in the last couple of weeks, I still see way too much of "bad Casey" -- i.e. poor puck decisions that result in O-zone turnovers and squandered opportunities. I also think in most cases a forward who only scores 15 goals or so isn't worth that kind of contract.
And we shouldn't kid ourselves about the consequences of giving Casey 7 years x $7MM -- doing so probably means you're not able to keep someone like Quinn or JJP or Benson when it's time to lock them up long-term.
If Mitts would agree to, say, $5MM x 5 years? Sure -- sign him up. But I don't think that's going to happen. Since Mitts has been eligible to sign an extension for 5 months now and it hasn't happened, I'd guess that he's asking for substantially more than KA is willing to agree to.
We'll see. Hopefully I'll be wrong about him and he'll make it clear that he's too good not to lock up at a high price.