inkman Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 TAMPA TRIBUNE: Erik Erlendson reported yesterday on rumours that have the Lightning trading forward Brad Richards for either Minnesota's Manny Fernandez or Montreal's Jose Theodore, claiming "neither can be taken seriously". Erlendson dismissed reports the Bolts cannot afford to re-sign Richards after forking out hefty long-term deals to Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis or that the club needs a goaltending upgrade. Erlendson cites the impending increase in the salary cap next season, and with Richards making $3 million this season, increasing his salary to $6.5 million isn't that much of a jump. I don't even know if that makes sense but there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fushetti Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Buffalo hasn't drafted well in years need we forget? Rasmussen, Primeau, Norenen and Biron. Man, I hate Noronen being lumped in with the "Bad" draft picks. Mika has gotten zero opportunity to claim the starting job with this team let alone play. This guy, if ever given the chance, is gonna be a good goaltender. Rasmussen, Primeau, and Biron were Muckler's picks. Regier, for the most part (with the exception of the Barrett Heisten pick) has done pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Reportedly, Tampa Bay forwards Fredrik Modin and Ruslan Fedotenko, as well as 2004 Hart Trophy winner Martin St. Louis, can be had for the right price. Lightning scout Dave Heitz has scouted several Wild games and was at Tuesday's game. -- Minneapolis Star Tribune I don't think tampa is going to mess with ther team but their is an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Fushetti if NORENAN was great or even really good. He would have won the starting job or atleast beaten out Biron. He has had many chances to shine but never really has. If he was great he would have found a way to shine through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Can you guys imagine Dany Briere with either St Louis or Richards??? lol wow French Connection part 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fushetti Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Todd, Noronen has been lumped behind Hasek, Biron, and now Miller. Lets be honest here, the Sabres didn't need to use that first rounder in 1997 on a goaltender. I didn't understand it then and still don't now. Noronen, in my opinion, is better than Biron but since we pay him 2.5 mil, who do u think is going to get to play? I've seen Noronen play alot when he was in Rochester during the 1999-2000 season when he lead them to the Calder Cup finals. He was as good as Miller was last year for Roch. My belief is that the upside of Noronen is much higher than that of Biron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Without Biron's 13 game win streak the Sabres wouldn't be where they are today. The idea that just because the Sabres have Ryan Miller who is showing to be a better goalie then Biron it some how means Biron sucks as a goalie? The same for Mika. Biron has shown himself time and again to be a solid NHL goalie. Is he as spectacular as Miller? No. That shouldn't take away from Biron's skills. If it's Biron or Mika that gets traded, some team is going to get a very good goalie. The lack of appreciation for players who have worn the Sabre uniform with pride and performed well amazes me. Whether it's Hasek, Zhitnik, Satan or the back up goalies. All have done what they could to help the organIzation win. The willingness and ease you turn your backs on these players once they leave or a new toy arrives is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Reportedly, Tampa Bay forwards Fredrik Modin and Ruslan Fedotenko, as well as 2004 Hart Trophy winner Martin St. Louis, can be had for the right price. Lightning scout Dave Heitz has scouted several Wild games and was at Tuesday's game.-- Minneapolis Star Tribune I don't think tampa is going to mess with ther team but their is an update. Lightning center Brad Richards will become a restricted free agent this summer and is likely to command close to the max in the NHL's new salary-cap world. Star forwards Martin St. Louis and Vincent Lecavalier make $12.5 million combined and the Bolts also have top defenseman Pavel Kubina to worry about come July 1. According to the St. Paul Star-Tribune, the Lightning could be forced to deal one of Richards or Kubina. Richards has notched 15 goals and 33 assists in 51 games with the Bolts this season, while Kubina has tallied three goals and 17 assists in 49 games. - THE FORTH LINE More internet bs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 just for insight 2002 11. Keith Ballard where is he? 2000 15. Artim Kruikov where is ? 1999 Barret Heisten where is he? 2001 Jiri Novotny hasn't made it yet in 5 years and then 1991 Philippe Boucher #1 did nothing 1992 #12 overall remember David Cooper? 1993 Top Pick Dennis Tsygurov 1994 Wayne Primeau #17 1996 #7 overall Erik Rasmussen #33 Derren Van Oene 1997 Mika Norenan 1998 34 pick overall fan favourite Andrew Peters I wouldn't say we are very good at drafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I think Norenan is better then Biron Also If Biron was so great then why do other Gm's only offer a 2nd round pick :huh: Biron is not very good I watched him for 3 years let in weak goal after weak goal. One back breaker after another or do we forget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fushetti Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 just for insight 2002 11. Keith Ballard where is he? 2000 15. Artim Kruikov where is ? 1999 Barret Heisten where is he? 2001 Jiri Novotny hasn't made it yet in 5 years and then 1991 Philippe Boucher #1 did nothing 1992 #12 overall remember David Cooper? 1993 Top Pick Dennis Tsygurov 1994 Wayne Primeau #17 1996 #7 overall Erik Rasmussen #33 Derren Van Oene 1997 Mika Norenan 1998 34 pick overall fan favourite Andrew Peters I wouldn't say we are very good at drafting Ballard was an integral part of the Drury trade.... he's now on Phoenix playing regularly. He has 30 points for a defensemen. Sounds good to me Kruikov is a bust. Heisten..same thing Novotny is now starting to come around..but i'm not making excuses. Your other picks are from past regimes man.. Are you gonna blast Punch Imlach too for taking Taro Tsujimoto? The famous imaginary Japanese player? How about Jiri Dudacek? Every team has busts for draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 inkman why do you consider it internet BS? Gm's call other Gm's to see what they can get. Ie Theodore and Richards the press gets a hold of it and prints it. You have never heard of CHATTER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Fushetti it is about franchise not regimes. If you wan to compare lets compare us to Detroit or New Jersey what if we could draft like that? I bring up the past because that is how long it has been since Pierre Turgeon we have drafted an All-star Forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeleslyobvious Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 inkman why do you consider it internet BS? Gm's call other Gm's to see what they can get. Ie Theodore and Richards the press gets a hold of it and prints it. You have never heard of CHATTER? And how exactly does the press get a hold of it? For every trade rumor that comes true, there are 100 that don't. Chatter=Speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeleslyobvious Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Ballard was an integral part of the Drury trade.... he's now on Phoenix playing regularly. He has 30 points for a defensemen. Sounds good to me Kruikov is a bust. Heisten..same thing Novotny is now starting to come around..but i'm not making excuses. Your other picks are from past regimes man.. Are you gonna blast Punch Imlach too for taking Taro Tsujimoto? The famous imaginary Japanese player? How about Jiri Dudacek? Every team has busts for draft picks Here's some more insight for you: I believe Regeir took over before for the 1997 draft: Some of the names drafted that year might look familiar: Mika Noronnen, Henrik Tallinder, Maxim Afinogenov and Brian Campbell 1998: Kalinin and Kotalik stand out. 1999: brought us Ryan Miller among others still in the system in Rochester. 2000: Paul Gaustad 2001: Novotony (who is still coming around IMHO), Roy, Pominville and Thornburn 2002: Paille 2003: Vanek and Paetsch All players that seem to be contributing this year. They seem like ok draft picks to me. All developed in our system. But then again I don't understand hockey as well as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I wouldn't say we are very good at drafting Keith Ballard where is he? He is the fourth rated (?) prospect with the 'Yotes. Artim Kruikov where is ? Kryukov is entering the final year of his deal with Lokomotiv, and will be able to join the Sabres next season as a free agent. Barret Heisten where is he? No where important, which is why the team declined him a contract offer. Jiri Novotny hasn't made it yet in 5 years - Yes, but has not looked lost at the NHL level this year. 1991 Philippe Boucher #1 did nothing - Boucher has been a top 4 Dman with LA and Dallas almost immedietly after he was traded. 1992 #12 overall remember David Cooper? AHL lifer, and the brunt of my father's abuse at Amerks games during the early 90's. 1993 Top Pick Dennis Tsygurov - I had the "pleasure" of watching him live and he might have been the single worst hockey player I have ever witnessed. 1994 Wayne Primeau #17 - Too many people thought he was going to be his brother. Atleast he will be locked into the annuls of hockey lore as one of the stiffs they got fot Thorton. 1996 #7 overall Erik Rasmussen - Has all the tools but could never find the key to the shed. #33 Derren Van Oene - I really liked him, too bad he was a really, really poor man's version of Gaustad. 1997 Mika Norenan - The jury is still out. 1998 34 pick overall fan favourite Andrew Peters - Hey, he broke McGratton's face. That warrants the pick in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 2000-2003 you are naming third and fourth line players Do i always have to explain things. The press ges a hold of this information from NHL teams. NHL GM's always use the press to bargain with. Buffalo has said, JP Dumont, Pyatt, Norenan to name a few names have been used by our team for trade bait. See how it works now? Then teams here through the wire and call GM's if they are interested. That is just one of many ways the Media is involved. try googling it and maybe you can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 inkman why do you consider it internet BS? Gm's call other Gm's to see what they can get. Ie Theodore and Richards the press gets a hold of it and prints it. You have never heard of CHATTER? I wasn't asserting that what was being written, it was more a flippant remark as to the state of internet rumors. Context sucks on message boards. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 1998 34 pick overall fan favourite Andrew Peters - Hey, he broke McGratton's face. That warrants the pick in my mind. LOL , Most of you people are trying to sell him for a bag of pucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLH Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Just in Briere waiting until after playoffs. Sure i would love to see Brad Richards TRade Biron Roy #1 pick For Richards 2nd round pick sign richards to a 4 year 18 Million dollar contract then take the 2nd round pick and pickup a top 4 defenceman and we wouldn't miss a beat. Tampa Bay laughs and hangs up. I think some people are underestimating how good Brad Richards is. A package that's centered around Derek Roy isn't going to give you a sniff of an elite forward like Richards. Biron will be an UFA after the 06-07 season, he's making over $2 million, and isn't a huge upgrade over their current goaltending situation. Roy is a decent sparkplug with offensive skill, but he's undersized and will never be close to elite. They're going to need a lot more than a 20 spot draft pick upgrade to even consider this. Any Sabre fan that doesn't want to make this deal is delusional. Richards is a point per game center that's been doing it consistently on the second line. He's thrived in big game situations and would immediately become our most skilled player. That said, it's a 'mute' point as Feaster hangs up unless the package involves Vanek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeleslyobvious Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 2000-2003 you are naming third and fourth line players Do i always have to explain things. The press ges a hold of this information from NHL teams. NHL GM's always use the press to bargain with. Buffalo has said, JP Dumont, Pyatt, Norenan to name a few names have been used by our team for trade bait. See how it works now? Then teams here through the wire and call GM's if they are interested. That is just one of many ways the Media is involved. try googling it and maybe you can see. I am naming players that have contributed to this team and are still developing. Todd, let me let you in on a little secret...try googling it doesn't fly as a source. While google may bring up some credible sources...the internet is an unchecked source for information. There is no factchecking, or editorial filter on much of the information. Any yokel can get his ideas published on the internet, without having anyone check to see if the information is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeleslyobvious Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Tampa Bay laughs and hangs up. I think some people are underestimating how good Brad Richards is. A package that's centered around Derek Roy isn't going to give you a sniff of an elite forward like Richards. Biron will be an UFA after the 06-07 season, he's making over $2 million, and isn't a huge upgrade over their current goaltending situation. Roy is a decent sparkplug with offensive skill, but he's undersized and will never be close to elite. They're going to need a lot more than a 20 spot draft pick upgrade to even consider this. Any Sabre fan that doesn't want to make this deal is delusional. Richards is a point per game center that's been doing it consistently on the second line. He's thrived in big game situations and would immediately become our most skilled player. That said, it's a 'mute' point as Feaster hangs up unless the package involves Vanek. Delusional? No...Some of us want to see the defenseman situation taken care of before we go after another Center... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 This could go on forever. 1997 21 Mika Norenan we could of used pick 23 Scott Hannan or how about pick 25 Brendan Morrow I think he is their Captain. 1998 18 we did get Kalinin but how about 19 Robby Rehger or 22 Simon Gange or 27 Scott Gomez 1999 20 Barret Heisten how about 21 Nick Boyton, boy he would look good or 26 Martin Havlat 2000 15 Artim Krukov how about 20 alexander Frolov or 28 Justin Williams The other thing is all of our great first round picks are run out of here and are playing on other teams. Good thing we did run Tim Connelly and Pyatt out of here, YET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddkaz Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 hey Obviously I ment try Googling on how information goes from the GM to the press and what the difference is between speculation and rumor. Not googing to find rumors. You can learn how the information network works. People will expain to you it. Such as many reporters have friends on the inside or Retired Hockey players now anylists have inside information. Like i said do a little research on how information moves about. It is very insightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLH Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Delusional? No...Some of us want to see the defenseman situation taken care of before we go after another Center... So if Atlanta offers you Kovalchuk for Peters are you going to tell Waddel to hold up until we get our dream #7 defenseman, then we'll talk? This is crazy. The package isn't remotely cloe to even and Sabre fans are complaining about giving up Roy? If you want the "defenseman situation" cleared up then just turn around and deal Richards for nearly any d-man you want. Saying you wouldn't do that package is completely and totally delusional. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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