GASabresIUFAN
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No faceoffs aren’t important
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Kane made two turnovers in one shift. No wonder he doesn’t pass.
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Pretty sure we can put him on LTIR even if he's not hurt. There's Lupul in the CBA
Are we surprised the Lou L found a Lupul in the CBA?
I wonder if Bogo ever suits up for the Sabres again?
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It's a sad reality, and I too was hoping a system change and a few new guys on D would be a big improvement but from what they have shown, showing some of them the door is looking like the only real solution. Any kind of tinkering and hoping will simply prolong the agony.
I was thinking about what I'd do with the Sabres right now. My instinct is not to do anything major until mid-season. I want to see how Asplund, Guihle, Ullmark, Mittelstadt and Nylander are progressing to help me determine if it will be necessary to keep Kane and Lehner beyond this season. I also want to see how the Sabres themselves are progressing. If the team is still near the bottom of the East, then I'll start moving out players. My first two sales are Lehner and Kane. Someone mentioned trading Kane to LV for Shea Theodore. I'd make that deal in a second. LV has so many NHL D because of expansion, 10 at last count; if I were Jbot, I'd make some move with them.
My hope for next year is that Ullmark, Guhle and Nylander move into the lineup with Asplund and Mittelstadt knocking on the door.
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If Sam doesn't start producing, he'll take what he's offered.
Look what happened this summer:
Sam Bennett is on a $1.9 million deal, Zadorov took $2.1 and Anthony Duclair $1.2 coming off poor seasons
Connor Brown took 2.1 Viktor Arvidsson 4.2 and Connor Sheary 3 coming off good years.
Alex Wennberg signed for $4.9 coming off a 59-point season. Nikolai Ehlers for $6 after posting 64 points.
If Sam wants a sniff at $5 million per, those are the numbers he will have to put up.
Sam is putting up 45 pts this year easily. He gets time on the 1st PP and on 2nd line wing, he'll get his pts.
To paraphrase from Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park on the re-signing of Evander Kane, this board is so preoccupied with whether we could re-sign Kane, you aren't stopping to think if we should.
Lets review Kane and his history in the NHL. Best season was his first contract year. in 2011-12 when he had 30g and 57 pts. He has averaged only 65 games a season in recent years do to injuries. In fact, the most games he has ever played in a season is 74 and that was 2011-12 (also his first contract year). His highest pt total outside the career year is 43. He is a volume shooter who typically doesn't pass the puck to others in better scoring position. This fact is one of the reasons Wowie moved him off Jack's line earlier this year. He is also at the league average 9% shooting % for his career. He'll also be 27 next fall.
Lets say he blows it out this season, stays healthy and has 35 goals w 28 assists. Are you really going to pony up 49 mill for 7 years to keep him when he'll be 33 when the contract expires and you have Mittelstadt, Nylander, Asplund and Pu coming up in the system?
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Here are the numbers.
Forwards (7) 37.2 mill - Jack, ROR, KO, Pommers, Z, Larsson and MOULSON - sending Moulson to the AHL saves only about $1 mill.
Defense (6) 19.2 - Risto, Scandella, Baloo, Bogo, McCabe and Tennyson -
Goal (1) 750K - Ullmark
14 players - 57.15 - with 2 players we need to part with somehow (Moulson and Bogo).
That means 8-9 players for 19 mill.
I think we can only afford 2 of Reinhart, Kane and Lehner. That said buying out Bogo saves 4 mill each of the next two seasons.
The math gets much easier if Guhle and Nylander can make the jump to the NHL. They’d cost only 1.6 for both.
If we banish Moulson and buyout Bogo, we’d be at 52.15 for 12 players. Add in Bailey 650k plus Guhle and Nylander and you’re at 15 players for 54.4, with 8 forwards, 6 D and a G. I agree on a bridge deal for Sam, say 2 for 8 or 3 for 13. That would being us to 58-59 for 16 players. That leaves substantial money for mostly depth players. We could afford to keep Kane, but I’m not sure he is a long-term core piece. If you sign him you are committing to him as part of the core.
At this point, I’d re-sign Johnson, even at 2.5, for another season as Ullmarks’ 30 game backup. This brings us to 61.5 max with 17 players and looking for 1 D, 4 F with 15 mill to spend.
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Found this at USA Today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2017/09/22/nhl-draft-2018-potential-first-round-american-crop-loaded-sons-former-players/694491001/
We actually need Tkachuk. We need the physical PF who can skate, especially if we let Kane walk.
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I watched a lot of UD hockey last year. My cable package includes all these fox sports channels and they often had good college hockey games. In fact, a week from Friday UND plays Minn on Fox. Anyway, I just loved what I saw from Butcher. His leadership on the ice, and smart plays with the made him look a step ahead of his opponents. For the Avs to draft a local kid who played college hockey locally and then simply throw him to the curb was amongst the dumbest management decisions I've seen in years.
I think we had an avatar bet, but who cares. I wish not only had I been rigth, but that he signed here. We could use the puck skills. I do agree with you that he won't keep up the current pace. Kane won't either, but I'll be surprised with the improved team in NJ that he doesn't put up 35-40 pts.
By the way: Saw an interview with Nauseting Kadri of the Loafs and he said that HCMB has them play 5 game blocks. That's 16 blocks. If you can win 12 of the 16 blocks then you are a playoff contender. It also is a great way to put a bad stretch behind you.
The Sabres went 0-4-1 in block 1, but are 1-0-1 in block 2 with crappy Van next.
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There is a very solid potential core of the following, with only ROR and maybe Scandella being acquired players. Look at the ages (age at next Bday w date if soon)
Jack (21 - 10/28)
Sam (22 - 11/5)
Ristolainen (23 - 10/27)
Nylander (19)
Asplund (20 - 12/3)
Mittelstud (19 - 11/22)
ROR (26)
Girgensons (23)
Scandella (27)McCabe (24)
Guhle (20)
Ullmark (24)
Pu (19)
Bailey (22)
Girgensons Eichel Nylander
Mittelstadt ROR Reinhart
Bailey Asplund Pu
Scandella Guhle
McCabe Ristolainen
Ullmark
Why shouldn't we be able to get 6-8 years of real quality hockey from that group? The success of this rebuild will ultimately hinge on the top players from the 2016 and 2017 draft classes. Assuming they succeed, then all we need is a 3rd D pair, a backup goalie and depth forwards. If guys like Baloo (24) or Antipin (24) work out and we get some surprises from later rd picks like Borgen or Hagel, almost the entire team will be home grown or cheaply acquired in the end.
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I think of myself as a realist. I don't expect the team to win 82 games, I just think they should try to win 82 games. I don't see that.
However, I'm also very clear that it isn't all on the players. I was one of the chief voices last year that I thought the roster wasn't adequate last season despite so many arguing that the system was the problem. To many stretch passes. I also argued that TM was the architect of the problem with the franchise from poor drafting, to poor asset management, to poor contract and cap management. Ultimately TP agreed with both sides and tossed TM, DD and half the roster to the curb.
I also have been one of the biggest cheerleaders about the changes on the D group this off-season (which admittedly haven't lived up to my and everyone's hopes yet) and, as seen on my avatar, I am huge Housley supporter. I have also said I think the turnaround isn't just around the corner. Still to much dead weight on the roster.
However if this team turns the corner this season, I'll be thrilled and will happily eat crow. I like mine with a side of Chef's spaghetti and meatballs.
Randall, so what are we going to do about the Butcher character?
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ROR is a necessity to the team at this point. He is our best two way forward and our best FO guy, and we can't replace him. Unfortunately for the Sabres, to justfiy what he is getting paid he needs to score and stay healthy.
KO was signed by TM because TM thought the team was about to turn the corner and needed one more solid winger. TM just didn't recognize the flaws in his roster and coaching until it was to late. Granted the roster flaws were completely self inflicated. The question facing Jbot is whether KO is part of the solution or should be traded (assuming he comes around) because he won't still be at his peek when the Sabres finally become competitive again.
As to Sam, I think if used correctly, he is a potential 60 pt player for the Sabres and soon. I think he'll continue to be streaky, but his play in front of the net and passing skills are nearly un-matched on the Sabres. It's up to the coaching staff to find his highest and best use and to keep him there. I wanted to see him at center like everyone else, but our top 6 is so much more effective with him in it. I'd argue in favor of a Kane ROR Sam line
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It took me two seconds to find this thread from that season: https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/458-restful-effort/
Posters bitching about the team not trying.
https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/464-sabres-now-in-last-place-2pts-out-of-1st/A woe is me, we're in last place thread from October 27th.
https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/550-the-blueliners-are-not-cutting-it/Discussion about how that blueline is not good enough to make it to the playoffs, let alone go far in the playoffs.
https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/543-another-ugly-one/A poster sad about how soft they are after yet another ugly performance.
https://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/520-terrible-3rd-period-team/A thread about how bad we were in the third periods. " you can manipulate stats which ever way you guys like... fact remains were fast approaching .500 hockey... or worse... look out atlanta... here we come.. "
My point with posting these is not that the Sabres are due to replicate that season, but that certain posters act as if they'd be different posters if the team would just try and be better and times weren't so tough and yaddah yaddah, but I don't believe them. I believe those certain posters are today's equivalent of these guys.
(Sorry inkman, I think one of those threads is yours :lol: )
i wasn't posting then, but what I remember that season was looking forward to each game. I remember the great PK that you knew they weren't going to give up a goal. I remember the combacks and the how inevitable each game felt as the season progressed.
I just don't see the consistent effort and haven't for years.
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JBot's plan is going to become weeding out the problems and getting rid of them. Dismantling is in our future unless there is a really quick change.
If we have to fully undue what TM did, then this team is SOL for at least this season and next. Not good. I don't necessarily disagree by the way, especially when you look at the pipeline and the number of RFA/UFAs this season.
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But they are lazy. Housley said as much in his comments (using more diplomatic words). Good effort against the Ducks followed by a complete lack of effort for 3/4 of the next game. This is not a new pattern. This team rarely comes out firing on all cylinders. Vegas isn't a better team, but they work harder with what they have.
leafs 4 - Detroit 1 right now. Just go watch 5 minutes of this and realize just how lazy our team is.
Totally agree.
If you go back to the first post-lockout team that team never took a shift off. No gliding, no just pushing a guy. They hit, they skated and ran the other team out of the building. Admittedly there is a huge talent gap between that team and this one, but it's no excuse for the lack of effort we have seen ytd.
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When have the Sabres had 2 players in the top 10 in scoring at any point in the season? I don't know, maybe 1993?
We have 2 now in Kane and Pominville. They are not really a problem, or so it seems.
Actually it's 3, Eichel has 9 points as well. The real question is which of the three will still be three at season's end? ROR is next w 4 pts. He is tied for 102nd behind Nail Yakupov.
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Shooting percentage is usually pretty steady at 8% or so and has traditionally ranged from 7-10% by the end of the year.
3% is suuuper unlucky and will revert back to the average.
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Sam's career % is 11.8. His rookie season he was at 13.9 and last season he fell of to 9.6. This year he is 2 for 10 or 20%.
Last season the Sabres as a team shot 8% which was below the league's 9%. Foligno was our leader at 13.4. Jack lead is shots per game, but only hit on 9.6 (same as Sam). Kane had a career high of 10.8.
Bottomline: This is not a sniping team. We don't have the guys who score consistently in the 12+% area, which is something we desperately need. Okposo and ROR are in the low to mid 10s for their career.
By comparison guys like Kane (12.4) and Malkin (13.4) routinely snipe at 12% or better. Their career % is in ( ). For this team to succeed we are going to have to generate significantly more chances then we do.
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At this point, no one is going to give them anything good for Reino or Nylander.
Sure they will. We gets picks or prospects but we’d get good value for both. As I wrote earlier I think we’d get Gslchenyuk plus for Samson.
That said we have nothing up front in real young elite talent besides Jack and then Sam. We have no true LWs besides Kane, who might be traded by year’s end and no young elite RW talent. Why would part with our two youngest and most talented players at those positions. That makes no sense.
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Marty talks to much
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Is this still a topic?
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Even good hockey teams lose 30 games a year.
Why does losing hurt so much?
Because we got beat by an expansion team in OT when we should have skated them off the ice from the initial puck drop.
Subban is a terrible goalie
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Johnson should have made that save.
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One thing is for sure, LV has a better D group then we have.
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Still feeling good about last game?
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What have Nylander and Guhle shown to prove they are in any way superior to Kapanen and Lilijgren?
GDT: Sabres VS Vancouver, 7 pm ET, 20/10/17
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We are getting out played, out hit, out shot and out coached by the slowest team in the NHL.