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Patrick Kane met a girl at Evans Beach in Angola at a place called Mickey Rats. They went back to his house on Saturday night. On Sunday morning, the girl's parents made her go get a rape kit done and blood drawn. She claims a drug/roofy was slipped into her drink. The cops went to Kane's residence on Sunday night and found pills along with a video during the search. The alleged victim's dad is a lawyer. Kane has cancelled his appearance at Imperial Pizza for this weekend and a few other bars downtown. Mickey Rats is known for underage drinkers, girl's age is a problem for Kane and the bar. Still not clear how old she is though. Might not be true but its def a rumor.

SOO you know the victims identity and relations enough to refute this rumor?

DANG MON

Her father is a lawyer.. This reeks of treachery.... like Gone Girl.

Watching this movie for the first time (celebrating my birthday) was one of the top 5 film experiences of my life, if not the best. I love to hear peoples opinions on this masterpiece, as it has been somewhat polarizing, receiving mixed critical feedback. The themes it explores, the relative scientific realism it maintains (and the bravery when it speculates), the cinematography and the cosmic shots were just mesmerizing. The idea that gravity, in the broadest sense, is the ubiquitous force many associate with the will of god; that thing that binds matter in all magnitudes, binds galaxies to black holes, solar systems to galaxies, planets to suns, people to the earth, people to each other.. gives form to fields that constitute our existence at the most basic levels, its really enjoyable to ponder. Even in a metaphysical sense, where we are all just being "drawn" to and from each other/ places/ times, thoughts, levels of consciousness etc., this portrays a beautiful, hypothetical but rational picture of a potential higher order of the 4 dimensions we experience and possible connections between those we are yet to perceive. I would love to hear others experience and thoughts about the movie or if you haven't seen it, your address, so I can mail you my copy.

What your saying is true in a sense but its grounded in skewed logic. Sure they might have wanted Guhle but 1.) there was no guarantee he fell to them at 51, 2.) that has nothing to do with ignoring tenants of trade value. If they wanted him, use the pick at 21, draft a top forward prospect, take a swing at your empty top 4 d spot (which btw, is a position where draft status is much less correlated to level of success relative to forward) or even trade it for future picks to allow time to elapse and D to become available (say 2015 1st for teams 2016 1st and 3rd and take some salary). Don't lay the pick at the feet of your uncle before the draft even starts and get nothing in return. Don't set a lopsided precedent (which wasn't even followed until Martin Jones, he is a much more proven commodity, and the pick was in 2016 where the sharks could finish back in the playoffs) by giving more than 3 times what the going rate for a guy like Lehner is using draft pick value assignments. Put it in perspective. What goaltender has been traded for a first round pick in recent memory? What would you have thought if the Sabres got a first round pick in this draft for their 3rd stringer? Even for their #1 (Enroth)? You would have thought we fleeced the other team, you would have been right, and thats exactly what happened to us. We got hosed.

Agree that TM doesn't like to lose anything , but he definitely wanted Mcdavid. Don't think the Sabres ever had the kind of talent necessary to be a perennial contender (not since 70's at least). The Oilers have certainly had an imbalanced mishmash of talent but in some part, at least for the last 2 seasons, I believe it was by design. During that time they didnt make any substantial moves to address the the defense or goaltending outside of the draft until, POOF... they land mcdavid, hire a new GM, and go crazy at the 2015 draft (drafted 1st and then not until 4th round). Time will tell who will be a better team and for what reason but I would be willing to bet Edmonton rises faster. As far as the notion that the Oilers top 6 weren't difficult to play against.... I think other teams facing off against Nugent Hopkins, Hall and Eberle would beg to differ (when hall was healthy). I believe Murray's constant conveying of a build toward "truculence" and "being hard to play against" was a euphemism to couch his intentions with the tank. The reality is that they iced a team full of 4th liners (of course its difficult to play against a bunch of nasty grit with nothing to lose) and Murray was responsible. As the Sabres begin to rise from the ashes, he uses "difficult to play against" in its ambiguous glory, as in "more difficult to play against because their big and skilled". If he drafted Mcdavid he would say the same thing. Actually, I am also glad that the Sabres ended up with Eichel... I have had my heart set on him for 2 years, he's and American, and seemingly more representative of the Buffalo swagger. I don't believe however, that he expedites the rebuild faster than Mcdavid would. There is a reason why scouts who spend their entire lives watching kids play hockey drew significant and universal distinctions between the two, because Mcdavid is better. Now I'm not saying that he makes Edmonton the better team necessarily (I'm clearly hoping against it), but the kids got mad skills. I couldn't agree more with you on the importance of a balanced roster; balance of skill, balance of physicality, balance of steady maturity and blind fire, balance of personality, balance in every arena. Chicago prides itself on balance, unity and brotherhood, they are a dynasty and in fact balance is also my motto in life (or at least what i strive for). But I don't see how Eichel balances out the Sabres better. Its not like they are so laden with skill and bereft of power that Mcdavid would imbalance them. You mention Kane as a reason for balance but Kane plays in the mold of a power forward, so does Eichel. Guess we can agree to disagree and converge on the fact that this year will be fun regardless of how it unfolds; I'm just hoping it happens slowly.

my good sir. I must politely disagree. Mcdavid is not RNH, Hall or Shitipov. They were all complimentary players who just happened to be taken 1st overall in (relatively) weak draft classes. I understand your train of thought, Toews won more cups than Crosby, hes a more completePlayer, Eichel = Toews... But Toews benefited from a far superior cast of talent and crosby was maligned by oft injured defensemen (talbot chief among them) and a GM who drafted as well as anton forsberg made saves. Toews often had Hossa, Kane etc on his wing, while crosby had Kunitz, Mr. "This team aint big enough for the both of us" Enigma Malkin. If mcdavid can stay healthy, he will elevate the oilers another level, is a wizard on the ice. Bottom six forwards are a dime a dozen and can be found at most every trade deadline for quality value as teams plunging into the tank jettison their best role players for 3rd and 4th round draft picks (pittance). Their top six is solid, have some nice d prospects in Nurse and Reinhart, and can surely mortgage some more liquid assets for that last remaining D slot, wherever it falls. On the contrary, i think the Oilers will honor the day that damn ball operator skewed randominity (not really) with his stupid human error and awarded the embattled franchise with their 4th top pick in 6 years (still makes me sick). I mean, just recall Tim Murray's reaction... Says it all.

The angst is related to the concept of value and nothing more. Goaltenders, in the modern NHL, do not command the same value that they once did. Especially goaltenders with .905 SV percentage in their last year who are demoted to 3rd string. Not all drafts are equal and even if the odds are less than 50%, guys like getzlaf, perry, seabrook, oreilly etc were all drafted in the middle/late first / early second and I'd take those odds over Bryan Murrays Sloppy thirds any day.

Kane obviously has brilliant physical tools. Watching him at ice level really gives you a sense of just how powerful a skater he is. However, he has yet to pull together a full season, maxed out at 57 points for his career (and that was 2011-2012), has scored more than 20 goals only once, and seems to be a maverick in the locker room (you only need to look at his twitter account for 10 seconds to get a whiff of what hes putting out). People cite lack of star line mates as a reason for his mediocre production, but he isn't going to get a massive upgrade with Ennis and O'reilly, at least in terms of scoring. Last year he was demoted to the third line and still produced (22 points in 37 games, -1), but HE WAS STILL DEMOTED TO THE THIRD LINE on a team that can hardly be considered a contender. I appreciate optimism, Sabres fans deserve to enjoy a little. But at best, the book is still out on Kane. Lets see how he performs when he is expected to be a top scoring presence on a young team night in and night out.

EXACTLY I did not! Just saying he wasn't some doof who sat on his hands because he was polyamorous with players wives.

Lord I hope so... you don't cash a paycheck from this site... or do you?

Tim Murrays vision is yet to be proven as is his status as a quality GM. Darcy, a 15+ year vet, got great return on aging players who went to other teams and (with he exception of pominville.. maybe) flamed out. He stocked the cupboards for Murray and while Murray has certainly brought in some promising talent into the organization, as he himself said, it doesn't take a genius to draft Jack Eichel. Also, don't forget for much of Darcy's tenure he was handcuffed by finances, forcing him to let key core players go for nothing (drury, brier which would be crippling to any franchise/GM) and operate under a different set of parameters in general. I'm not saying hes Einstein of GM's but i think he gets a worse rap than he deserves.

I did... more of a general idea to support my stupid pun :ph34r: Oh, Gurle, ne cheil mal han ono lul hangook mal i ya

I don't think he gave up anything too serious yet. I HATED the Lehner trade and think Compher was one piece to many for a player who already had one foot out the door, but i'm still pleased with the direction of the team as it stands. Again its more of a fear of whats to come. Confidence can work positively in terms of decisiveness and it can work against you in the form of stubbornness. Accordingly, Murray will seemingly soar or sink and nothing in between. Of course I'll gladly eat crow for breakfast lunch and dinner if we be hoisting the cup in a few years but again, i have a mortal fear that we are at a crucial point in this teams development (where murray and his staff will actually need to prove their merits in terms of working within the bounds of normal circumstances: aka not having a house full of prospects, actually having to make more subtle, calculated moves) and my years of hoping and praying could all come crashing down with a few overly bold, trade failures.

Thanks for the encouragement! First time poster long time listener. I stumbled upon this site randomly after being fed up with WGR content, and so far it seems there are intelligent, knowledgable and passionate fans here. Its not just the callers. Its the content. MEAT DRAFTS, CANDY DRAFTS, FRITOS... WTF. YOU GET PAID FOR THAT . (are we allowed to swear?) I mean I understand that it must be difficult to fill 4 hour blocks with dense information 365, but there is rich with useful wisdom and then diarrhea pouring into my ears. After awhile it becomes like a kind of ambient noise to facilitate alpha waves/ a meditative state.

You're a Strawman. :angel:

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I supposed i should have mentioned that the people who whine about trading assets liter the airwaves of WGR550 and comment sections of bigger sites like bleacher report/espn etc (and cited them), and not this site. More than that I guess i was trying to arouse a debate. Also, i certainly deserve criticism (nice Gif) for my writing style: Much like my thoughts it is wordy, tangental, not concise etc. Its a work in progress. Gionta, in my opinion, is more likely to be part of the coaching staff by the time this team contends. He should be a nice father time for the up and comers the next few years as i'm sure we all agree. I think my zeal comes from a sense of insane attachment to this process and its successful completion. Im petrified of Murray blowing up Darcy's years of patient planning and drowning the team in his ego. Thanks for the feedback fellows. Im not telling you how to think. I said trading for stars is a rarity, not that it hasn't happened. The stars benefited from fortunate circumstances (Trade with Boston, Cap choked Chicago), id rather not rely on fortune, as i said. I was using the teams top 6 as an example, not the entire team in that instance. Stars have a baller top 6. We've already made more major trades in the last 12 months alone than some teams make in a decade, i never said trading shouldn't be a part of it. Its not a fact, but definitely a well documented trend that teams who draft in the top 5 multiple times have a higher chance at winning a cup within a decade (even EDM, just wait for it) Sorry the posting frustrated you so, it clearly reflects flaws in the way I convey my opinions and perhaps even form them.

It is nothing short of infuriating to see people going on about trading the assets still remaining at this years deadline in hopes that, by some miracle, we are in contention for 8th place. As if wasting valuable currency by trading from a position of massive weakness will somehow put us in a better position as an organization. Its not so hard to fathom when considering we are most likely dealing with a fair-weather frank who unlike you and the rest of the organization, hasn't been tediously planning and biding their time over the past several years. From 2012 when it became apparent the incumbent crop of clowns wasn't going to cut it, to realizing the necessity of a rebuild, to Eichel and Mcdavid invading scouts wet dreams across the country, to the "pre tank", where the most dire hard of us had committed to anti-fandom before the 2014 team even laced up their skates and finally to the tank itself, where the vigilant among us endured enough emotional stress to warrant formal psychiatric treatment . From the start of that wretched apparition which some deemed a win streak on November 19th, 2014 we all watched in terror when the porous excuses for 9th string net minders and half assed defensemen let in dump goal after mind blowing dump goal, forever etching names like anton forsberg deep into the cities collective consciousness. And who could forget the late season heroes; Jonathan Toews and his late game heroics and Cam Atkinson with the "tank" clinching beaut in the finale that had me bouncing off the walls in a hotel room in Toronto while a conference I was supposed to be attending was being held downstairs. It was one hell of a year and i guess if I hadn’t been religiously following each move for the past 4 years as if it were milestones in my childs life, i might be able to relate to the desire to ice a bond fide playoff team at all costs, despite the consequences. These are most likely the same blokes that sit down at a roulette table, put down 10,000 on 31 black, win 300,000 and then double down just to give it all back. Still, it blows my mind that given the mountain of evidence stacked against them, these gentle fellows persist. They still get hot and bothered by thoughts of massively wasteful and irrational trades that threaten to bankrupt the team, and crucify those who preach to proceed on the preordained path. Amidst all the rumblings of urgency and trade rumors tho, I have yet to read a single viable plan that explains to me how a team with less combined playoff experience than a single Blackhawks regular, will usurp true contenders rolling 4 lines laden with proven elite talent. Teams like the 2014-2015 Blackhawks: Patrick Sharp, Jonathan Toews, Marian Hossa, Patrick Kane, Brad Richards, Brandon Saad.New Look Stars:Jamie Benm, Tyler Seguin, Valeri Nichuskin, Patrick Sharp, Jasson Spezza, Ales Hemsky New Look Caps:Alex Ovechkin, Nicklas Backstrom, T.J. Oshie, Marcus Johansson, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Justin Williams, just to name a few. The Sabres do not have a SINGLE proven top 3 commodity, a SINGLE proven top 2 Defensemen or a SINGLE proven playoff performer. Their prospect pool is sorely lacking at the top of RW and with the trade of Zadorov, on D. They have talented cast offs from other teams who we hope a change of scenery will reinvigorate , Jack Eichel and a solid looking bottom 9F/ bottom (maybe) 4D. Using the aforementioned teams as a comparative tool/ hypothetical future contender shell, their lineup looks like this: Evander Kane?? Jack Eichel?? ??? Sam Reinhart?? Ryan Oreilly Tyler Ennis Jamie Mcgin Zemgus Girgensons Matt Moulson Marcus Foligno Johan Larsson Nic Deslauries ?? Rasmus Ristolainen?? Mccabe?? Bogosian Ruhwedel?? ?? Lehner?? ??? Lets Assume Sam Reinhart maxes out at his proper elite top 6 potential, Oreillly avoids getting behind the wheel and Ristolainen becomes the all purpose #1 D he currently projects to be. For the purposes of reasonably balanced probable outcomes, lets also assume there was a solid reason why Chevy-day-off dumped his former top pick(s) and physical super freak (other than trivial locker room gripes, cuz lets face it, using that as a frame of reference for letting a player go, O’reilly should be in Alcatraz 2.0), leaving Kane as a high end 2nd/3rd line winger. Lets also gamble that Mccabe fits in nicely as a bottom 2 D on a legitimate contender. That leaves a first line of This: ??? Eichel ??? And D pairings Like This ??? Risto ?? Bogosian Ruhwedel Mccabe Who are we going to trade for to fill these gaping holes that hasn’t already been shipped off to real contenders and with what assets? If we trade to fill the bottom half up first and finish near the playoff bubble, what currency will be available to acquire prospects or players equivalent to guys like Backstrom, Jamie Benn, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Drew Doughty, Brent Seabrook, Duncan Keith, etc…. And who the hell ever parts ways with core superstars in their right mind (well except for the Bruins) anyways? Just to get a sense of what these players are worth, see the salary chart below. Every single one of the top 3 players on contending teams I mentioned would cost a minimum of two firsts, a second, and a third through restricted free agency value assignment and i doubt trade values for players who weren’t wart ridden would be any different. 2005 Averaged Salary 2015-16 Averaged Salary Draft Pick Compensation $660,000 and below $1,205,377 and below No compensation $660,001 to $1,000,000 $1,205,377 to $1,826,328 Third-round pick $1,000,001 to $2,000,000 $1,826,328 to $3,652,659 Second-round pick $2,000,001 to $3,000,000 $3,652,659 to $5,478,986 First- and third-round pick $3,000,001 to $4,000,000 $5,478,986 to $7,305,316 First-, second-, and third-round pick $4,000,001 to $5,000,000 $7,305,316 to $9,131,645 Two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick (An acceptable first line winger if complimented by top tier counterpart) $5,000,001 and above $9,131,645 and above Four first-round picks (Kane, Towes, Ovechkin, etc.. What we really want as a first line winger) Bottom line is contending teams rarely acquire top tier first line players through trades, and when they do its the exception not the norm, and in my opinion, nothing to bank on. My mind isn’t sealed shut on the matter but I just can’t see any way mortgaging future assets to improve now doesn’t severely impede this teams progression to cup contention. Id love to read some rational propositions tho…

Thanks for the thorough response. I could certainly be talked off my perch if the prospects you mentioned started to show consistent progress at the NHL level. If the Sabres were in 8th at the trade deadline and it was on the backs of our youth who showed legitimate competency against top level NHL competition, I would concede and change my tune. However, many of the names you mentioned, even the current NHLers are still just "prospects" in the sense that they haven't had any real success at the NHL level. That is the essence of my desire to strive (root) for last at least one more year; there are so many unknowns. Mccabe could be a top 4 D and Pysyk could be top 2, Bogosian could finally reach is potential, O'reilly could take on a leadership role and gain some emotional maturity, Kane could grow up etc. Those are a lot of ifs and I tend logically toward universally accepted principles: to not allocate large portions of your assets/advantages (emotional, tactical, etc) in volatile products. As far as Lehner goes, I agree Ive soured on him before hes had his chance to strut his stuff but ill never get over the atrocious value!!! argghh. lovable Brian Murray, bless his afflicted heart. Luckily for us, rooting doesn't substantially affect the outcome of the game, so i can sit in my tower and throw stones and you can lead the wave at the FNC and we can all agree to disagree. But i do like the conversation and look forward to my sassy, muddled, parenthetic expressions getting well considered and conceived responses such as yours...... for me to poop on. :nana:

You should want them to be out of contention. You should want them to score a ton of goals, suck on defense outside of Risto and Pysyk, and suck in goal despite the idea that it confirms wasting of assets (lets just all agree it was a gift to uncle Brian and call it a day, he has even said picking goalies is like randomly throwing darts). This team has holes in high end talent positions (bona fide 1st line winger, true #1 or 2 defensemen, and thats assuming guys like mccabe, pysyk, bogosian Oreilly, reinhart, all work out) that won't be filled by free agents (because the best of the best don't want to come her yet) or trades (because our asset pool is low as it is). We need to ice an exciting product that falters in the right places and shoot for drafting in the top 5 one more time. Otherwise, if one or two of aforementioned prospects don't pan out, your left mired in mediocrity with no access to high end players, fervently trying to plug holes with overpriced has been's or one hit playoff wonders. Sound familiar? I would love if the sabers could loosely follow the trajectory of Tampa Bay. They are disgusting now, and were bad just enough, and at just the right times, to have a pile of assets ensuring continuity. If they had jumped prematurely, say in 2010, who knows if they aren't stuck in a Sisyphean re tool. Id be ok if Eichel and Kane destroyed the NHL and broke gretzkys record, but short of that, a race to 8th would be like a virgins maiden voyage: very disappointing.

So we don't have to worry about him getting caught with Oxycontin at the border?

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