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  4. Draft Option #7: Kirby Dach

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    12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    From what i've gathered, it sounds like some games he's less noticeable. I think that's what scouts are seeing and his early season slump. I agree fully his vision and passing are better than Cozens. Passing for sure. 

    I worry a little about reading too much into a stretch of poor play by a 17 year old for like 10 games.  Now it’s a little different if they consistently take shifts or periods or games off here and there.  That’s much more of a red flag for me.  If he just struggled for a month but then got right back to it, it doesn’t worry me so much.  These are still kids after all going through a pretty stressful year.  Lack of effort/drive popping up repetitively is more concerning than one slump.

  5. Draft Option #7: Alex Turcotte

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    1 hour ago, French Collection said:

    Compare his game to ROR.

    I’ll play!  Both play a 2-way game at C.  They have a similar physical build.  Turcotte is a very good all around skater, while ROR is average.  Turcotte probably has better stick handling skills.  Both are good passers.  Both have a good shot, Tucotte’s may be better though.  ROR has elite all around hockey IQ that Turcotte probably doesn’t match, although it’s definitley not a weakness for Turcotte.  ROR is better defensively, but Turcotte is responsible and could grow into an excellent defensive C.  ROR is the faceoff master.

    In summary, I think they could be somewhat similar, but Turcotte can be more dynamic offensively, specifically because of his skating. It’s hard to say if Turcotte could ever be as good defensively as ROR, but the potential is there.

  6. Draft Option #7: Kirby Dach

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    27 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    So the only skills Dach is better at is passing and vision. I'd give cozens the nod in shooting, skating, and consistency. 

    Dach consistency issues are a major question for me. 

    That’s fair.  I actually think Dach has a very good shot also, possibly as good as Cozens, but doesn’t use it as often and isn’t as inclined naturally to be a finisher.

    What I am really curious about is this alleged consistency issue with Dach.  I’ve seen it mentioned a few times, but I don’t know specifically what people are referring to.  I know he had a slump earlier in the season.  Is that is?  Or is there more?

  12. Draft Option #7: Kirby Dach

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    6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    Cozens is almost as big with more skill. Turcotte has more compete. Dach I think he's some left to show but I think it can be pulled out. 

    You think Cozens has more skill?  I would say Dach does.  His passing, playmaking, vision is better than Cozens IMO.  I would give Cozens the nod in goalscoring/finishing and skating though.

  14. Who do we draft at 7th overall?

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    4 hours ago, Derrico said:

    Then forward is fine by me.  I'm still going with 3 years.  Look at our last two 8th overall picks.  Neither has had a meaningful contribution yet.  Nylander has had 3 years and has not.

    I think 3 years is a good conservative estimate for a prospect of that caliber to be a top 6 level contributor.  D+1 year in college/juniors, D+2 year breaking into the NHL with maybe some AHL time, D+3 year (age 21) ready to go.

  15. Updated Todd McLellan OUT of the Running Sabres HC Position

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    Posted · Edited by Curtisp5286

    8 minutes ago, WildCard said:

    Also the jump is pretty big. There are it goes up from 2 to 9 coaches with 4+ years of the same current team

    And of those 7 in the 4-5 year range, some are already on warm seats.  Tort, Maurice, even Babcock, they are on playoff teams and the pressure is on them big time to deliver results.  It’s a tough business for sure.

  16. Updated Todd McLellan OUT of the Running Sabres HC Position

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    1 minute ago, Die Hard said:

    $6M/year for 5 years, familiar with the GM, good player foundation, low expectations (as a franchise and hockey town), sunny state with low taxes. He has leverage due to his credentials. Really ideal circumstances.

    Theres not too many franchises that can compete with that. ? 

    Buffalo has some nice pieces though. Young team, some core pieces, cap space.

     

     

     

     

     

    Yeah, there are always reasons good why someone takes a job.

    What like about Buffalo’s current situation is 1) the young pieces of Eichel, Dahlin, Reinhart, etc 2) the incredible cap flexibility going forward allowing the team to be built in a variety of different ways, ideally tailored to this hypothetical incoming coach.  That’s got to be attractive.  Obviously the situation is not perfect though........

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  18. Updated Todd McLellan OUT of the Running Sabres HC Position

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    Posted · Edited by Curtisp5286

    34 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

    The downside is trying to convince another GM to give you a job.      Do you hire the guy who lasted 5-6-7 years with his previous team. and showed steady progress in the early years?  Or the guy who lasted just 2 seasons with zero progress whatsoever.  

    These other GMs know the deal though.  These hypothetical coaches who lasted 5-7 years in their previous jobs don’t really exist in any large numbers.  Only 2 current NHL coaches have been with their current teams for 5 or more seasons.  Not to be snarky, but Florida went through coaches just as fast as Buffalo recently, yet just signed Quennville.

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  19. 2019 NHL Draft

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    30 minutes ago, WildCard said:

    So he's inconsistent, and a big power forward, which means I'm guessing he can't skate all that well?

    Avoid him like the plague

    I don’t think Dach’s skating is a question mark, but it’s not as good as Turcotte/Zegras/Cozens/Krebs.  Boldy also has not great skating, but both are better skaters than Reinhart, for example.

  20. Who do we draft at 7th overall?

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    3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    Isn’t Dach just Tage 2.0? Maybe better but the description of him every time I read one keeps bringing me back to Tage. Sorry. ?

    Even at the college level, Tage never really carried the puck or made nice setup passes to teammates, did he?  He scored most of his goals off one timers I thought. 

  21. 2019 NHL Draft

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    30 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

    The Athletic Mock Draft 

    No. 6. Detroit Red Wings

    Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP-USHL

    Feb. 26, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 194 pounds

    Max Bultman: This is really a decision between Turcotte and his USNTDP teammate Trevor Zegras, both of whom might actually be value picks at this slot. Zegras would offer the elite playmaking Detroit lacks in its forward core, and for that reason he’s very tempting. But there’s just so much to love about Turcotte. For starters, he’s a fast, skilled, two-way center who his coach actually compared to Dylan Larkin recently. But Turcotte’s also been producing at crazy levels since returning from injury this season. His 2.13 points per game in USHL play outpace even Hughes. If Turcotte’s still on the board at No. 6, he’s a great pick.

    Pronman’s take: In Turcotte, Detroit gets a center who, when healthy, was simply outstanding this past season. Every element of his game outside of his size (5-foot-11) stands out, from his speed to his skill to his compete level and hockey sense. Think of him as a more skilled version of Larkin without as much size. He’s a center who could be a one-and-done in college and be in the NHL playing a significant role soon in any role the coach wants.

    No. 7. Buffalo Sabres

    Kirby Dach, C, Saskatoon-WHL

    Jan. 21, 2001 | 6-foot-4 | 198 pounds

    Joe Yerdon: GM Jason Botterill hasn’t selected a player from the CHL in his first two drafts and, with the opportunity to not only improve an organizational need at center but also add a player with size and skill, choosing the 6-foot-4, 198-pound Dach would present a perfect opportunity to address all that at once. There will be plenty of choices at center in the 2019 NHL Draft, but Dach put up 73 points in 62 games for Saskatoon this season and used that size to create scoring chances. He’s not the typical big center who lacks playmaking ability in deferment to his size. The lure of sticking with familiar territory may be too strong, but Dach can provide something a little different than what currently exists in the pipeline.

    Pronman’s take: In Dach, Buffalo gets a 6-foot-4 center with a ton of ability. There are few players in the world with Dach’s size with his combination of hands, vision and skating ability. He has all the potential to be a first-line center in the NHL. Buffalo has their first-line center already in Jack Eichel, but there’s no such thing as too many awesome centers. Dach played wing at the Hlinka Gretzky and showed he could be very good in that role, as well.

    No. 8. Edmonton Oilers

    Trevor Zegras, C, USNTDP-USHL

    May 20, 2001 | six-foot | 168 pounds

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The Oilers have some elite skill up front but not enough of it. Zegras, a six-foot, 168-pound forward, brings an element that’s badly lacking. Although he projects as a sublime, playmaking centerman with superb offensive vision, Zegras is more than comfortable on the wing. That’s important because talent and depth down the middle of the ice is one of the few areas the Oilers have covered on their NHL roster. Zegras is a Boston University commit, so don’t expect him in the pros right away. When he gets there, it’s not hard to envision him setting up 50-goal man Leon Draisaitl.

    Pronman’s take: In Zegras, the Oilers get arguably the best passer in the draft. Zegras is a truly elite playmaker who can run a power play with the best of them. While nobody is taking the puck from McDavid on the first power play unit, Zegras could run a very dangerous second unit and add to an already very talented young core. Zegras can play center or wing well, so the Oilers can decide how to deploy him along with McDavid, Draisaitl and Daniel Nugent-Hopkins.

    No. 9. Anaheim Ducks

    Peyton Krebs, C, Kootenay-WHL

    Jan. 26, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 181 pounds

    Eric Stephens: Once strong down the middle, the Ducks need help there. Ryan Getzlaf is on the back nine of his career and Ryan Kesler may be finished due to injuries. Adam Henrique is more of a shoot-first center best suited for a third-line role. Sam Steel is just beginning and looks like he can handle a top-six spot. And in a draft full of quality pivots at the top, it makes sense to grab the 5-foot-11, left-shooting, Kootenay Ice center. The 18-year-old fits the Ducks’ bill as a competitive playmaker who skates well and has a high hockey IQ. Anaheim can use centers that can pass the puck like Getzlaf does so well, particularly in his prime. Steel can dish the biscuit, and so can Krebs, whose 49 assists this season was nearly double the amount of his next closest teammate on a team that struggled all year.

    Pronman’s take: Krebs would bring a lot of dimensions to Anaheim, between his fantastic hockey sense, compete level and pace. In a system and organization full of young, talented forwards, he’d vault toward the top of the depth chart and play the game in a slightly different way than guys like Troy Terry, Max Jones or Steel.

    No. 10. Vancouver Canucks

    Matthew Boldy, LW, USNTDP-USHL

    April 5, 2001 | 6-foot-2 | 187 pounds

    Jason Botchford: Call this the Elias Pettersson draft pick. The young centre needs a left winger who can score and Boldy is a sniper who can make plays too. That second part is so important because Pettersson has the best shot on the team, giving this potential duo a lethal ceiling. Boldy has elite hockey IQ, which is huge for anyone hoping to keep up with Pettersson over the long run. Boldy also has a pro level shot and is elite in and around the net, a skill that Jonathan Dahlen has and he was one of Pettersson’s favorite linemates in Sweden.

    Pronman’s take: In Boldy, the Canucks get a winger with a fantastic toolkit. There are few 6-foot-2 forwards in the draft class who can dangle, make plays and score like Boldy can. He may not be ultra-fast, but the Canucks have invested in players like Pettersson, Bo Horvat and Brock Boeser who on first glance are not fast, but full of talent and they work with them to get faster. Boldy has all the ability to be a dynamic winger for either Pettersson or Horvat.

     

    Thanks for sharing.  I just can’t decide.  I love them all!

  22. Draft lottery day thread 8PM NBCSN

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    Posted · Edited by Curtisp5286

    I actually like the lottery system as it is currently.  Dropping the top teams just enough, and introducing enough randomness, that it’s not worth it to tank for a specific player.  

    I like Eichel as much as the next guy, but the whole McDavid/Eichel sweepstakes, trade away anyone with a pulse, lose as many as you can, race to the bottom, was not a good look for the league or Buffalo.

  23. Who do we draft at 7th overall?

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    14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    It will be one of Cozens, Turcotte, Dach or Zegras and I’m thrilled with 3 of the 4.  Dach is the only suspect ImHO but some writers love his O game.

    If Cozens and Turcotte are off the board, I think Peyton Krebs could be right there with Zegras and Dach.

  25. Draft lottery day thread 8PM NBCSN

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    4 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

    This sounds like you are one of those “Bettman controls the lottery outcome” people. You can’t be one of those! I’ve grown to like your posts.

    I could almost think this was a legit theory if it was the large media markets or areas were they are trying to grow the game that kept winning the lottery, but that hasn’t been the case, so I don’t see what the evidence could possibly be.

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