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32 minutes ago, French Collection said:
Is the CHL tag so bad that JBot would have drafted Jack ahead of McDavid?
I know he likes the fact of team control and longer development of NCAA players but he hopefully values talent above all.
This should really only come into play for guys who could take more than 2 years before they are ready for pro hockey. Anyone drafted at #7 will be expected to be NHL ready within 2 years, and if not, then AHL ready at least.
It’s the 3rd round and later picks that the CHL becomes a bit of a disadvantage, because a large percentage of those players could take 4 years (age 21/22) before they are ready for the AHL/NHL. The CHL players need to be signed, or not, after 2 years, while college or Euro players have 4 years before they need to be signed.
At least this is my understanding of things.
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11 minutes ago, #freejame said:
Just heard it, thanks. Said screw it and tried to incorporate what he knows works for him into the system the team was playing.
Yes, I believe it was more a decision to play “his game” and fit that into the system, as opposed to trying to be a robot within the system. He has been a much more effective hockey player since, so it definitely seems to be working.
Unless you want to assume the worst about every situation. In that case you can just assume that Reinhart meant “Screw the coaches, I’ll do whatever I want, whenever I want.” But I hope that we collectively are more nuanced than that.
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16 minutes ago, #freejame said:
I still don’t remember but would like to see it so if you have s source I’d appreciate it
Reinhart 2018 Locker Cleanout
https://www.nhl.com/sabres/video/sam-reinhart-4918/t-277822758/c-59734503
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3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Well, there's only 2 options. Cozens or Dach. 1 is likely gone and right now, Boldy and Turcotte are making a strong argument not to take the leftover.
Krebs! I think he is right there with Cozens, Dach, Boldy and Zegras.
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16 hours ago, ... said:
No way Skinner at $8.9 mil, but hasn't the scuttlebutt been they've already agreed on $$ yet haven't reached an agreement on term?
How can you agree to a $ amount but not term? Changing the term would generally change the $ amount.
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14 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said:
I also think Cooper isn't head coach material. Never was. He took a team with a ton of talent and led them to the playoffs. But he also got swept with the best team the NHL has seen in over 20+ years. He deserves to get fired as much as Housley.
Hard disagree. He has led the team to their top three regular seasons in franchise history and to the eastern conference finals three times in six years. I'd like to see what he could do with a less stacked lineup, but some of the reasons that team has developed such a stacked lineup may be due to his coaching. The team/players were not that good when he took over. He helped mold them into the team that they are today.
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27 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Just moving this...
Beecher is a really interesting player. He should probably be a first round pick but might slide. He was on a super deep USDP squad that saw him play on the 3rd line behind basically everyone. Hughes, Turcotte, Zegras (when not playing with Hughes). Beecher skates well, good on the backcheck and forecheck. Good size. He is just good. When you play on a team with guys who are great though, kinda keeps you in the shadows.
I really like Beecher too. Wouldn't be disappointed if Buffalo took him with their 2nd 1st rounder. Or even better if they traded back from 19 for a couple picks in the 25-50 range and snagged him with one of those plus another guy who slides.
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6 hours ago, LTS said:
Laviolette's only run comes when his opponent his extremely hindered on defense and they still barely won and managed to face the Oilers who somehow finagled their way into the SCF despite being terrible.
He’s taken two other teams to the Stanley Cup Finals though. A Flyers team with Michael Leighton/Brian Boucher splitting playoff starts in goal, and Nashville a couple years ago.
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This is a shortlist of my favorite candidates. I wouldn’t exclude all others, because what do I know, but this is what I’ve come up with. I have no problem with Botterill taking his time. Some of these guys are still involved in the playoffs.
Unemployed: Dave Tippett(Probably committed to Seattle), John Stevens, Rikard Gronborg
NHL Assistants: Todd Richards, Todd Nelson, DJ Smith, Kris Knoblauch
AHL HC’s: Dallas Eakins(Probably committed to Anaheim), Sheldon Keefe, Chris Taylor
NCAA Coaches: Scott Sandelin, Nate Leaman
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5 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
I know it wasn't you who said it, but the SYR Crunch's coach is Benoit Groulx, not Giroux
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Does anyone think there is a chance that Laviolette is relieved of his duties as head coach if Dallas beats Nashville?
Because that is a guy that should be perused heavily if he becomes available.
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How about this one.
So we know that Botterill loves his Finns and his Swedes. What is even better? How about a Finnish player whose name is ‘Swedish’? How could you not sign a guy like that?
Seriously, this guy Ruotsalainen, his last name is ‘Swedish’ in Finnish. Ruotsalainen translates to ‘Swedish’. Got it? He is Finnish and his name is literally Arttu ‘Swedish’.
Botterill just wrote a blank check.
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21 minutes ago, Andrew Amerk said:
So, out of curiosity, if Ruff had coached any other NHL team for 15 seasons and never gotten them a Cup, you’d still take him over anyone else?
Objectively, Ruff’s resume is not more impressive than, or at least pretty comparable to Therrien, Martin, or Carlyle’s.
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Nice. Gotta take your chances on guys like this, college and euro free agents. Casey Nelson, CJ Smith, Evan Rodrigues, Victor Antipin, Lawrence Pilut. Sometimes they turn into nothing, sometimes good AHLers, sometimes legit NHL players.
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17 minutes ago, kas23 said:
Contract or not, I can’t see how someone can be legally compelled to work for a certain employer, especially when better opportunities exist. It certainly works the other way, coaches are commonly “relieved of their duties”.
Even when coaches are relieved of their duties, the team is still obligated to honor the contract and pay them.
Generally if a team has an assistant coach, they will grant permission to interview them. Just because its the ethical thing to do. If you repeatedly hold back your employees from advancing their career, not a lot of good people are going to want to work for you in the future. I know that 2 years ago the Leafs declined to let Dubas interview for Buffalos GM job, but that was because there was already a set plan in place for him to take over for Lamarello the next year.guess
I guess this is the long way of saying that teams generally do grant permission for their assistant coaches to be interviewed for head coaching positions.
Also, there generally is not compensation (such as draft picks) involved in such instances. I'm not even sure if it is allowed under NHL rules any longer.
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2 minutes ago, dudacek said:
Right team, wrong guy.
Are you guys ready for Jacques Martin?
Don’t say I didn’t want you.
Nothing is impossible, but I don’t think Martin even wants to be an NHL head coach.
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11 minutes ago, kas23 said:
So, someone help me out with the Sabres speaking with Keefe. Toronto can say “no” and that’s it? What if he quit and then was hired? Or, is it the interview part?
He has a contract with Toronto which he needs to honor, so he can’t just quit. Buffalo would need to ask Toronto’s permission to interview him or to hire him. NHL teams often grant such permission if it’s going to be a promotion for the candidate, but yes, they do have the right to say no.
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7 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
So you guys can't imagine a scenario where Ruff comes back as HC and Epic Beard becomes Associate Head Coach or something?
They could make Lindy Head Coach and Head of Hockey Relations* and then after a season or two retains just the Head position and turns over HC to Epic Beard.
*i.e., Sabretooth's boss and he gets to attend alumni events. Or some other position of some prestige but limited responsibilities.
Far fetched, but I suppose it’s possible.
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30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Thomas Harley and John Beecher are players to think about with pick 26, if available.
Beecher especially I like for Buffalo. I think he may be a bit overlooked due to being buried on that USNTDP team. Big, fast, nasty, with more puck skills and upside than you might realize at first glance.
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45 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Which truly successful Russian left early in his career? Malkin, Ovie, Kuznetsov, Kucherov, Tarasenko even Kovalchuk stayed through most of his prime (and has since returned). Guys like Radulov and Dadonov left and came back. Panarin came over after developing in Russia. Anisimov, Namestnikov aren’t stars but have stayed.
I think the Russian factor is over blown. If we draft Pod and he succeeds he is staying.
The actual simple answer to your question, from the player group I was looking at, is Zherdev and Kostityn.
I was looking only at players who: 1) Did not come to North America prior to their draft and 2) were highly regarded enough talents to justify a top-10 pick.
So these are players who specifically did not go out of their way to come over at a young age and were considered super talented. So my thought process is that if they do not make it big (perennial All Star) in the NHL, they have incentive to go back to the KHL because they can actually make more money there.
I'm not drawing any definite conclusions here, and if Podkolzin was on the board at #7 I may take him anyway, but it is something to consider. I'm not going to push this any farther, because people can sometimes get very touchy when talking about such things.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
And Pod is signed for 2 more years in the KHL. Just something to think about. You can't miss this pick at #7.
I’m just trying to think how I would feel if we drafted Pod, he came over after 3 years at 21, established himself as a 25-25-50 good top-6 winger, then he left for the KHL at 25/26.
I would not be pleased, to put it lightly.
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5 minutes ago, SDS said:
Yeah, I was making a larger point. I don’t really have the desire to pontificate on who is a four star, 4.5 star, five star… coach.
It’s just when people mention Mike Babcock or Mike Shanahan or whomever… There is no history with either of our teams hiring such people. Don't be overly disappointed when we don’t land the big fish.
I would agree with your larger point. I’m ok with it though. I get the reasons. It’s not an especially attractive location, unless the team itself is very good. If this becomes a consistent winning team/organization, that could change things to an extent.
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17 minutes ago, WildCard said:
Who was the last 5 start NHL coach hired by anyone? Babcock was in high demand, Quennenville maybe, and then?
Trotz, Julien in the past couple years.
but I guess it depends on the definition of 5-Star.
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1 hour ago, Curtisp5286 said:
I guess you really never know. It will depend on how Sabres (and other teams) feel about him after interviews and all their background work.
Are there examples of truly high end players, top-10 draft picks who have decided to just stay in Russia? I think it’s very uncommon. I might have do some digging on this.
RESULTS: So, it was a little worse than I thought. I the past 20 drafts, 10 players out of Russia have been selected in top 10. Nichuskin and Kravtsov are the two most recent and are too young to draw any definite conclusions on. Of the other 8, 3 were basically busts in both the NHL and KHL (Svitov, Christov, Filatov). Of the remaining 5 who turned out to be pretty good, Zherdev and Kostityn left for the KHL at age 26, Kovalchuk left for the KHL at 29, Ovechkin and Malkin have remained in the NHL thus far with no signs of leaving.
It’s actually not a great outlook for these highly drafted players out of Russia. It looks like unless they turn into one of the top 25 players in the league, they are going to jump back to Russia.
Obviously, there are players drafted later who have come to and stayed in the NHL, but I wanted to look specifically at high end Russian prospects who did not come to play in North America prior to being drafted.
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Risto said it's time for him to go?
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If Botterill could get Miller and Cirelli for Risto, that would be a heck of a deal. Those are two 2nd line players (3rd line on an amazing team). Not futures, but good, skilled, gritty, young NHL players both with several years of team control.