Contempt
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35 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
I let my blood, sweat and tears rain down on them. I am a 300 man. No issues. I think the seats are city of Buffalo recycling bins but that's OK.
I noticed this year that the lighting is brighter. I hear no complaints about the ice. Srsly what more do we need? That said I don't usually visit concessions or waste troughs.
If all we are supposed to do is watch a hockey game, I can do that at home on a more comfortable seat with my own food, beer, and bathroom and save a bunch of money. If I'm going to the game I generally like to partake of concessions and perhaps use the bathroom and have functioning hot water to wash my hands. If the hot water is not working in the bathroom it makes me wonder how the concession folk wash their hands properly (in short, they probably aren't) I also prefer my seat not to be broken or torn. Call me picky.
Having gone to a bunch of venues recently, I find myself having the most fun in places where there is a designated standing/milling around area where you can watch the game that has access to concessions and a bar. The most fun hockey games I've ever been to were ones back at the Aud where I had SRO at the top of the oranges. Very fun. Not for everyone, but I enjoyed it and it's something missing from KBC.
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18 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:
I agree, not putting the stadium downtown is a poor decision for the future of Buffalo. Imagine if it went in the area of the old central terminal, and eventually built up the rail infrastructure to bring people in/out for game days. Yes, it'd be way more expensive and would take years upon year to complete, but it was radically transform that area of the city and I'd support any amount of public money being used to revitalize an economically depressed area.
Instead we're giving welfare handouts to the Pegulas to keep their status quo alive in Orchard Park.
Ah, the Central Terminal. Something else that was built in the wrong place a long time ago that has evaded redevelopment because it's in the wrong place.
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26 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
BTW, the Sullivans was put into service in 1943, i.e. 30 years before the Ralph. And the Aud opened in 1940 and closed in 1996. The Montreal Forum opened in 1924 and closed in 1996. The Alouettes' stadium opened in 1914 and is still in use. Camp Nou, where FC Barcelona plays, opened in 1957.
BTW, this is what the Alouettes stadium looked like when it was new. I think it's fair to say it's not all that old.
The Aud opened in 1940, had a major reno 30 years later to accommodate the Sabres and closed in 1996 at 56 years old. When the Bills stadium is slated to close it will be 54-55 years old.
Camp Nou is about to be fully renovated, at a cost of 1.3 billion Euro and Barca will have to play somewhere else for at least a season. It's also fair to say the climate in Barcelona is a little more structure friendly than Orchard Park.
The argument isn't that you can't have a building that old. Fenway and Wrigley Field are both very old and in ugly climates. However, they are steel structures, not concrete, and that makes a difference. It makes a difference to the preventative maintenance that can be done and the ability you have to repair and replace elements as they cease to be structurally sound. Once reinforced concrete is compromised it really can't be fixed. You can band aid it to extend its life, and they have, but it's not fully repairable and it will continue to degrade until it either fails or you replace it. It's not like a girder that you can brace around, remove, and replace with a new girder (that's not exactly easy either, but it's possible most of the time). When concrete is broken it's broken. When the rebar starts to rust, it continues to rust, and expand, and crack the concrete from the inside. That process has started. It started a long time ago. To continually patch and reinforce is to chase something that wants to turn to dust and it ceases to be cost effective to do so and sometimes it ceases to be possible.
I didn't hear the county arguing that the structure of the upper deck wasn't a serious problem. If it were posturing I'd expect to hear a lot more blow back. You didn't hear it because it IS a problem and they know it's a problem and it's a problem with a very expensive solution. The county has their own engineers and they've gotten their own reports during previous renovation and maintenance work.
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1 minute ago, nfreeman said:
While I don't doubt that the upper deck needed (or will need in the near to medium term) repairs/reinforcements, I would also guess that those could've been accomplished for less than 10% of the cost of the new stadium.
And where would the team play in the year or two it would take to tear off the current upper deck and replace it? I also SERIOUSLY doubt that you could accomplish that work for 140 million dollars.
1 minute ago, Eleven said:The arena doesn't need to be replaced yet.
I agree, but it is well within the time frame where a reno is in order.
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1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:
And they still let 10s of thousands sit up there. Posturing, I'd say.
They let people drive over structurally deficient bridges every day too. It doesn't mean they don't need to be fixed or rebuilt in the near future.
The reinforcing steel they slapped onto the underside of the upper deck wasn't done for fun. It's a 50 year old concrete structure in a winter climate that has been repeatedly exposed to a lot of salt. The concrete hasn't stopped degrading in the time since they put the reinforcing steel on, it has only gotten worse. Is it still safe today? Yes, hence people still sit in it, but in another 5-7 years it would be time for more extensive reconstruction beyond what could be achieved with band-aids. I don't see what's hard to understand about that. To reference bridges again, if you had a 50+ year old concrete bridge in a northern climate nobody would be surprised if it needed to be replaced. Point to another elevated concrete structure of that age, in that area, that hasn't had to be significantly redone or fully replaced.
To weigh in on KBC renovations. It has been a couple years since I have been there, but when I was there it was already getting tatty compared to other arenas I've been to and there are design elements that were poorly done to start with including access to the upper deck. Again, for reference, the KBC opened in 1996. It has been in use for 26 years. Memorial Auditorium served the Sabres for 26 years. Wells Fargo Center in Philly is about the same age. Go there and then go to KBC and tell me they are comparable.
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23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
They don't but the government has no issue funneling money to other private entities when it wants to.
That's fair, but there is another ship in the active fleet with that name so it's not like the Navy hasn't attempted to carry on the legacy.
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9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
The US as a country should be embarrassed they can't save the Sullivans after what the Sullivan family sacrificed. Saving the ship is the equivalent of what? 5 less missiles purchased this year.
I dont think the government owns the ship anymore do they?
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5 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:
Fitz has to go help Rochester in the next couple days. Bryson wouldn't clear waivers. Some cap-strapped playoff team would take him for 7/8 depth and have him next year as an RFA. Butcher could be waived outright with purpose to reassign to ROC. I can't imagine many teams would pick him up -- even with NJ retaining salary.
Butcher would not be playoff eligible iirc though.
On 4/10/2022 at 12:03 PM, PromoTheRobot said:It means the Amerks are boned. Every team they are chasing has games in hand on them. They need to win most of their remaining games to get in. It's actually quite a brawl in the division with teams separated by thousandths of a point. Not sure why (COVID probably) but AHL teams are not all playing the same number of games.
Yes, that is exactly why. They are qualifying based on winning percentage.
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15 hours ago, inkman said:
A man can dream @Contempt 💨💨💨
I'm willing to concede the Power as Pronger dream but Jokiharu as Niedermayer seems a bit of a stretch even looking at him optimistically.
KBC Renovation...all quiet?
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When hockey was at the Aud I didn't have an 80" UHD TV set with surround sound in my basement. I was also 25-30 years younger and the team was a damn sight better.