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6 hours ago, Justin C said:
The funny thing is, had the Sabres signed Mitts and he regressed next year, everyone here would have said it was a bad signing and said they would be open to trading him just like they are with Tage this year.
I have no issues with the trade. Team needed a shakeup and I think Thompson and Cozens will rebound next year. Byram hasn’t had a concussion since 2021 unless I’m mistaken.
Its the way of the board these days. The Sabres as a franchise have earned people being frustrated with them, but unless the Sabres do almost exactly what every individual fan would do, we are going to be flooding this board wth complaints. Negativity has taken over.
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26 minutes ago, steveoath said:
Diving? Sabres are embarrassing enough without adding that shite
No, I'm saying if Sabres players dive, I'm all for them getting fines for it too.
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This should happen more often. And if Sabres players do it, I'm all for it here too.
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50 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:
Who replaces him?
Until you are sure someone who replaces him is going to give you 25-30 goals, or you are sure Skinner's production is going to drop 40-50%, I don't get rid of him. I can agree that he isn't great in his own zone, but I still do not hardly EVER see him making mistakes that cause goals against, or him being out of postion frequently, or turning the puck over in the neutral zone leading to goals against.
I get it, he's not physical, he doesn't rush to the boards to win battles. But he DOES score you about 30 goals per year and I simply do not see him causing issues that lead to major goals against. I have looked. I have watched him on the ice. I have looked at replays of goals allowed. He is not a positive without the puck, but I don't see him as a negative and he is most times literally the only player (along with Zemgus) that will go to the front of the net on the offensive zone.
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1 minute ago, SwampD said:
I'm confused. I don't see a single sabres post on this page.
I have lots to complain about. Not going to do it, though.
My point is the entire forum seems to be not much but complaints so we can just change the topic of this thread and put all the sabres talk in here.
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My complaint today is that no one has changed the title of this thread from 'complaint thursday' to 'general buffalo Sabres posts', or 'comment about anything the Sabres do', as they are becoming one and the same.
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This is a weird game for me. Approaching the end of the 2nd, and I have zero feel for it. Is Buffalo playing well or not? Lots of shots but it doesn't seem like many good chances. They are shutting down Toronto buy Nylander is doing whatever he wants. Just strange.
If Buffalo wins this 5-1, loses it 5-1, or it goes to a shootout, nothing would surprise me at this point.
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3 hours ago, Weave said:
Matthews with the double hattie.
Remember the old NHL commercial with Ovechkin...a hat trick of hat tricks (9 goals), an Ovechtrick.
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4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:
Is experience and age the same thing ? Can't a 23 / 24 be further ahead in their NHL career if he has been in the league since he was 19
True, Buffalo's new 'top 4' has career 855 games played.
Florida: 2526
Vancouver: 2577
Boston: 2131
Winnipeg: 2413
Rangers: 1667
Vegas: 3014
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I don't put much value in 'hits' as a stat (how accurate are they?) but I looked at Byram....3.3 hits per 60 minutes this year.
How does that compare to the current Sabres this year?
-Clifton, 9.3
-Erik Johnson, 8.1
-Samuelsson, 7.6
-Dahlin, 5.3
-Jokiharju, 4.0
-Bryson, 2.0
-Power, 1.6
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I'm all for this trade, but something to consider, Experience on defense seems to have gotten VERY important the last few years in the NHL:
Top 5 teams in the league this year right now, age of their top 4 D-mean they rely on:
-Florida (29, 27, 28, 32).....ave: 29, youngest 27
-Vancouver (24, 26, 34, 35)...ave 29.75, youngest 24
-Boston (26, 30, 27, 30)....ave 28.25, youngest 26
-Winnipeg (28, 30, 28, 33)....ave 29.75, youngest 28
-NY Rangers (26, 24, 30, 28)...ave 27, youngest 24
And Vegas as the cup winner last year (34, 28, 33, 36)....ave 32.75, youngest 28
Now for Buffalo...with Byram, Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson: (23, 21, 23, 22)....ave 22.25. OLDEST 23
Buffalo's OLDEST D-man is younger than the youngest on the top 5 teams this year, and of course the AVERAGE age of Buffalo's new top 5 is less than the single youngest guy on any of the teams above.
This D-group has the potential to be Elite, one of the best the NHL has seen in years...BUT if that does happen, its likely to need a few YEARS to get to that point.
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I'm not as worried about the Lefty/Righty thing with how he fits into the team, but more about the style of play.
I think your top 2 d pairings, you want one super skilled, attack the other end guy....and you want one guy who is more of the guy who is responsible, will not get caught up out of position, can get loose pucks and make a good first pass out of the zone. Doesn't have to be super physical, just 'responsible' (thus I was thinking a Vet with a LOT of expereince).
Your bottom pair guy is just going to be the best 2 guys you can scape up that won't hurt you while getting 5-9 less minutes of ice time than your top guys.
With that said, looking forward, Dahlin is the 'attack first' guy....Bryam clearly seems to be the same style. That leave Samuelsson as the 'responsible guy', but then Power also? I'm not sure how they 'fit' when going into next year.
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4 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Right, but you are getting into trouble here now (with me lol) because you yourself argued otherwise. I read all your posts. You are the “we don’t need surgery” guy we just needs tweaks. So how can I put faith in your well-laid out arguments if they, nonetheless, appear to be positions you’ve taken purely to take them, but not in line with your original stance?
I'd rather have them do surgery with the scalpel instead of the sledghammer myself. But, I'm open for anything at this point.
I would RATHER they resign Mitts, move Cozens to wing, and trade for a D-man in the offseason. However, I'm ok with this. What I consider different is a full coaching change, Adams out as GM, and numerous player changes (when I said surger with a scalpel, not a sledgehammer, it was in respons to those who want the major moves like I just listed in this sentence.)
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Just now, Thorny said:
Thanks. If KA believes the deal helps us next season, he absolutely needs to pull the trigger
Most/many of us wanted change. As fans we wanted a 'swing for the fences' type move. You aren't getting Cale Makar for Krebs and a pick and a prospect. To get a young guy with potential, you have to give up something. For now, I am 'entertained'.
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1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Here are the Sabres top 9 for 2024/25 after this trade
Skinner TNT Tuch
JJP Cozens Quinn
Benson Krebs Greenway
Is that a play caliber forward group? I guess it could be if Krebs, JPP, Quinn, and Benson are all better next year and TNT Cozens rebound from their terrible 23/24 seasons.
Apparently great minds think alike.
Can those guys stay healthy for the most part? Can you get 170 goals out of those 2 lines? (100 from the first line, 70 from the 2nd line?) If so, AND Bryam progresses and is as good as he has showed flashed on the Blue line, it might be a playoff caliber 'roster' with that top 2 lines and your top 2 D-pairings. I hope and I'm willing to see how it goes.
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3 minutes ago, Thorny said:
We can simply wait and judge based on the results, that part is easy enough
my question is a different one: does KA, in his heart of hearts, in your estimation, think he’s making the team better next season, through this move, and it’s corresponding?
I know you can’t know the answer but what do you think. Do you think KA is making the deal to facilitate an improved team next season? Or long term?
Personally I think he beleives it for both next year and the future. Next year, it is going to have to be him being confident he can do more than he has in any other offseason. Maybe its just me trying to be optimistic, but I think next year's success depends more on Tage getting back to his form of the previous 2 years and Cozens being who he has been the last 2 months and not the first 3 months. Ultimately, THAT may (or may not) be what he is counting on the most.
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31 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Question: As mentioned, I can definitely see the talent with Byram. From a team building standpoint I find it confusing. But, for someone/those more confident than me in this trade ending up beneficial: Do you see the trade potentially improving the team as soon as next season? Would you argue that is likely? Or is that more best case scenario, with your likely estimation being we see net improvement further down the line?
What say you? I’m open to the idea Byram could end up the better player but it literally only matters, for me, if it can happen for next season
I can't make a great case for things, but, as usual, it 'depends' on what else happens from now until next season.
-Is Tage playing through a wrist, and maybe foot injury and will return to his form on the past 2 seasons (40 goal, top line center). Has Cozens 'gotten religion' in terms of play in his own end (which he SEEMS to have, at least in the last month), making him your legit 2 way center?
-Maybe the Sabres, through is practice and play, see a "Mitts like" jump in Krebs play from this year to next, and you have him as your 3c. I need to see a lot more from him, I haven't liked Krebs since he got here as anything more than an 'average-at-best' player, but they might be seeing something I haven't yet.
-What other trades might be made, now or in the offseason.
-What other players might sign here in the offseason.
I can't give names, but suppose the Sabres find/trade for a Veteran, 2-way Center that gives you 15 goals and 25-30 assists on the 3rd line...while Tage and Cozens pick their games back up.
A lot of "ifs" in there, but that is the case for the potential of it helping out. What I remmeber of Byram is 2 years ago he looked great, and I mean GREAT in the Avs cup run. I didn't know much about him going into the playoffs but when I saw them play I was thinking "how did they end up with ANOTHER guy this good on the blueline" Of course, he has the injury risk. But I truly believe the potential is there for him to be a better player long term than Mitts, now its just up to the organization to fill in the gaps in the roster.
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31 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Is Byram going to get more than Dahlin and Power? Casey would have been among the team leaders in I’ve time regardless of Tage and Cozens. You aren’t ever getting the limited minutes the “3rd line C” connotation implies: if you are a top forward you are among the leaders in minutes.
I'm guessing here, but long term, I think the goal would be for Byram and Power to get about 18-19 minutes even strenght per game. They seem to want to use Power on the PK, so Byram can take the role of 2nd unit PP Qb. They both end up with 20-22 minutes per game that way, HOPEFULLY bringing Dahlin down to the 23-24 range (he is over 25 now)
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Just now, seer775 said:
Skinner - TT - Tuch
Quinn - Mitts - Cozens
This is how it was supposed to go.
Actually, I love having Cozens at wing with Mitts, but it seems like every time they try him on Wing, he goes back to center pretty quickly. Trust me, I have been one of the biggest people on this board pushing for Cozens on wing. I just looks like, long term, they want Cozens centering Quinn and Peterka.
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5 minutes ago, Thorny said:
This take isn’t even grounded in statistical reality
Even if Casey was our third best C, if he’s our third best F, he’s not getting “3rd line minutes”. Thats not how the nhl works
You are so sure going forward he would be getting more ice time than both Tage AND Cozens? Again for my other post, I don't think Mitts is a game changer....so I'm willing to look at how this plays out.
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2 hours ago, oddoublee said:
i typically enjoy your takes - and still do! but i dont see it here. this team needs more veteran top 6 players - not less. the pipeline and krebs is all well and good - but they are not, nor guaranteed to be better than mitts.
offensively, as of now, this team is worse off for the next 2 years (based on no additional significant moves being made, of course).
Byram is so young, but 2 years ago he played great in the playoffs for Colorado. So, without concussions, he could be one of those good-to-very-good D-men at an accelerated age. He has those worrying concussions, but when you watched his entire playoff run 2 years ago, he looked like he could be a star on the back end.
Plus he's a player. An actual Player who had at least one great playoff run individually, he's not another 'draft pick' that we can look forward to in a few years. He's a guy that has injury issues, but has had some great games as a young guy that we get to see play now.
And Mitts, is he better than Cozens or Tage? To me, when everyone is healthy, I think ultimately he is the 3rd center on this team, which means he isn't going to be a guy that gets 1st line Power play time for the rest of his career. I guess Mitts "may" deserver $6-$7m per year, but I don't want to give that to a 3rd guy who is likely to get closer to 3rd line minutes.
It also seems like there are a LOT of posters here criticizing the Sabres for thinking Cozens and Tage were better than they were, making the case they simply had 'career' years.....can't the same thinking be applied to Mitts this year? Difference is, Tage's 'career' year was almost 50 goals. Cozens was 30+ goals when he was 22. Mitts current season 'could' be a career year when he is on a 20 goal pace already at his age 25 season.
As for the D-group....Maybe Dahlin wears down with his heavy minutes. Power too. Samuelsson is injured all the time. Maybe, MAYBE bringing in another young, highly regarded guy...you can reduce the minutes of everyone (spreading them out among the whole group) and make them all better/less likely to be injured.
I'm trying to look at this in a positive way. The negative thinking (I got negative in a BIG way with Cozens earlier this season) and the negativity of this board finally got to me about 2 weeks ago and I'm choosing to look at the positive side of things.
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4 minutes ago, Mango said:
Fair point, but for more color does this trade make you want to watch the Sabres more on Thursday/Saturday? Next October? 365 days from today?
Because if it get you to watch the game this weekend, but not next season, this is really bad value.It depends on how good he is...but more as soon as he plays because he is the 'shiny new toy'. Possibly more next year because I think Mitts is good, but as I said in other posts, I don't think he is a game changer, but Byram COULD be part of a game-changing D-group.
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I guess I'm almost alone in this, but I'm looking forward to seeing Byram play when he suits up. Makes me want to watch the games a bit more than if no moves were made.
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Ok, the positive point of view as others have said....
-Krebs basically takes Mitts spot. Is he as good? No, but he has taken a considerably step forward.
-Byram, although ANOTHER very young D-man, might possible give this team the best "Young" top 4 D-group in the league. He is so young and still getting better.
-You don't have to pay Mitts that $5m-$7m per year, hopefully Krebs can give you a lot of what Mitts did, AND a lower cost guy from Roch fills in that spot next year on the lower lines.
I "Like" Mitts, but I didn't "love" his game. He has turned into a very good player but not one I want to pay a lot of money for as I don't see him as someone who can take over a game. I'm good with this move at this point, although I really, REALLY did like Mitts at center with Cozens on wing, I think this guarantees Cozens at Center, which I'm not too happy with.
You all can be negative all you want because that is what most of you do best, just complain about things almost no matter what moves happen. For me, Mitts is good but he's not a game changer carrying this team on his back to win after win after win....to see a change like this, I'm happy to see what it brings.
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I'm watching the Devils Blues game, and NJ just got off of a powerplay. They didn't score, not even many great chances...but I noticed they seem to do EVERYTHING on the Powerplay much faster than the Sabres...especially entering the zone. They carry the puck in with speed, and when they pass the puck around it just happens so much faster and more often...its almost like the Sabres PP in comparision is watching them on the first day of practice on the first day of training camp.
Maybe its just Jack Hughes is so fast and so skilled he can carry the puck in like that and the Sabres dont' have anyone. Even when they had Eichel, he was fast but he didn't use his speed entering the zone on the PP (he would mostly carry it in and then slow down). I'm not sure if the Sabres have anyone that can play that way....maybe, MAYBE Dahlin is probably the most 'skilled' puck handler on the team...I wonder if there was every a though of letting someone else QB the PP from the blue line..and let Dahlin be one of the guys to not only carry the puck in, but actually play down low instead of up high at the blue-line?