Trettioåtta
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3 hours ago, nucci said:
What right do they have to suspend him? He failed his physical.
Refusing team ordered medical treatment. I believe under the CBA the team has the final say on what treatment should be, and the player can elect medical arbitration.
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For this season to not be ugly, we need:
- Cozens to have taken a big step up in the offseason
- Skinner to be close to his old pre-Kruger self
- Bjork to have a breakout season
- Thompson to have a breakout season
- Mitts to play to his draft-day expectations
- Dahlin to play to his draft-day expectations
- UPL to have taken a big step up in the offseason
- Anderson to have a chip on his shoulder and want to retire on a high
I don't like our odds
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1 hour ago, COSabreFan said:
They won’t terminate his contract if he just goes had has his surgery, he then is no longer an asset to them. Jack has already made over 50 million, if he has been smart with his money he could let Sabres suspend him without pay. Even if it was for a year my guess Jack would be just fine financially and the Sabres as a franchise would be tanked for years. No player would ever sign here unless the had to, and none of our good players would ever sign a contract extension here. It would be irresponsible to the franchise in the long term, and that’s what KA job is right?
If I were Jack I would just go have surgery and put it back on Sabres, and hope to be ready for the Olympics. If I was KA I would have either let him have it right away or held the line till trading deadline. If all I got was bag of pucks offers I would let him have his surgery and work tirelessly to restore as much of his value as possible to trade him. That’s what’s best for the Sabres in short and long term.
The league will also have a hand in this - they won't be happy if a player knowingly and deliberately breaks the CBA and there is no punishment. He could be suspended by the NHL for it.
If they let Jack have the surgery and it partially works, such that he can come back and play but not nearly to the same level, his value is tanked and we are saddled with $10 million cap dump. Not to mention his salary must be paid. Letting him get the surgery holds massive risk for the Sabres, and almost none of Jack, which is why it hasn't happened.
Jack is clearly hesitant about the surgery / the consequences of it (both legal and medical), otherwise he would have got it by now and done just what you said.
If the Sabres don't budge, Jack has three options - 1) Get the fusion. 2) Sit out the next five years of his prime, until he is 30 and potentially never play in the NHL again / not to the level he could have (and potentially get into legal dispute if he is refusing to fix the issue) 3) Get the ADR and risk the consequences, which could be substantial.
Right or wrong, the players negotiated away their medical autonomy for guaranteed contracts and that won't change.
My understanding is that the Sabres medical doctor is regarded as a world class specialist on neck issues - he thinks fusion is safer for Jack (not just for the Sabres). The independent NHLPA (who looks after Jack) specialist thinks he should get a fusion. The third party independent thinks he should get the fusion. The rest of the doctors he has canvassed have varying thoughts - but no clear consensus. The guy who would do the ADR surgery thinks Jack should get the ADR.
This is a massively complicated situation
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55 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:
I think that hockey “journalists” have done a poor job of covering this story. Two items in particular:
1). I know that the Sabres’ medical team opposes ADR. I know that Eichel has seen a neurosurgeon who prefers and recommends ADR. Presumably there is some level of split in the field of neurosurgery on this. What Is the split? Is it 50/50? 60/40? 90/10? Why has no journalist taken the time to speak to 10-20 experts in the field to try and get a sense of what the general expert opinion is on ADR for an individual who fits Eichel’s profile?
2). I know that the CBA gives NHL teams final authority on treatment for their players. I also know that player contracts are often insured. What I don’t know is, what are the potential consequences of Eichel just having the surgery he wants without Sabre approval? Can the Sabres void the contract? If they can, when would they have to do that? Could they wait for a definitive outcome or would there be some sort of deadline to void the contract? What are the likely insurance implications?
I’ve read a lot of speculation on these things but not much in the way of facts. Without answers to these and other questions I don’t know how any outside observer can have a definitive opinion on who is in the right here.
As for part two, they could suspend him without pay for breach of contract. Therefore they would not be on the hook to pay Jack, and Jack would not be able to sign with another team. This is the same logic that stops players refusing to report to terminate their contract and sign with a new team. Should they do this, they could then unsuspend him when he passed a medical - however, I don't know what would happen if Jack then got paralysed from the ADR slipping whilst making a hockey play. Perhaps the Sabres could refuse to pay the rest of the contract? Voiding the contract would require full negotiation of a new contract I believe.
Technicalities aside the point is clear - if Eichel gets the surgery without Sabres' approval, he is no longer guaranteed the $50 million he is owed. Which is why he hasn't done it.
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1 minute ago, Buffalonill said:
I think taking away the C was probably the dumbest thing that just makes me feel his trade value will decrease more.
They could easily just had a substitute for the time being smh
Nah, the Sabres front office are seen as incompetent morons, this will increase his trade value as it will affirm to the rest of the league Eichel is the perfect captain.
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What’s the Sabres vaccination status? 17 teams are now fully vaccinated. Considering the heavy Canadian travel for the Sabres, and the fact Covid de-railed our season last year, I hope we join the complete list
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I don't care if this is $1 million over payment (which it is at most). We don't need that money over the next few years, and I would rather use it to keep Dahlin sweet than nickel and dime him now.
He remains an RFA at the end of the deal, so we can retain his rights and sign a long-term deal through his prime.
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3 hours ago, dudacek said:
Since some are calling this a cost-cutting move, I wonder what the Sabres might be saving.
Dont imagine cutting 200 hours of air time annually - that is subsidized by sponsors - would be a huge chunk of money.
Dont imagine Peters and Rivet are making much either.
Anyone have any idea?
The Sabres offered them contract extensions and they turned them down. Obviously no details on salaries etc have been revealed. But I wonder if Peters / Rivet simply thought they were worth more
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1 hour ago, Hoss said:
Have you seen John Gibson’s contract? It’s toenails.
I think the Sabres may need to take on a contract like Gibson's to justify the unknown regarding Eichel
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Don't Leafs fans come in droves to Buffalo home games anyway?
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4 hours ago, Doohickie said:
How do you know what "offer we received / was in discussion 6 weeks ago" aside from speculation?
My point is that in comparison to whatever teams were willing to over 6 weeks ago, I think the current offers will be worse. Now maybe the best offer anyone ever put on the table was a late second round pick for Jack - now it will be a third rounder.
Second point, that everyone knows the Sabres can't start the season with Jack on the team - it will be too toxic and set the mood wrong from the start, of what will likely be the worse season in Sabres history.
Third point, as a result I think the Sabres are between a rock and a hard place. No offer was good enough to trade Jack 6 weeks ago. But I think the current offers will be worse (because of point two, and the fact Jack will now miss nearly half a season). Therefore, the Sabres have overplayed their hand and we will get a low return for Jack.
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12 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
What makes you think "the sell" was ever there?
As in the offer we received / was in discussion 6 weeks ago will have been better than the current offers in discussion.
sadly because Eichel is our captain, this can’t just be put aside and have him represent the city whilst wanting out
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I think the Sabres have missed the sell on this. I expect a fairly low return now.
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Whilst I agree with the Sabres course of rehab it first. If they now agree he needs surgery, I don't know why they don't go for the artificial disk. It is not experimental, has been done on high-end players (including MMA, which is pretty brutal) and worse comes to worse, if it doesn't work you can always fuse it afterwards.
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8 hours ago, Cascade Youth said:
Distraction from what, exactly? Winning games? Because that isn’t what’s going to be happening with or without Eichel. This is a bottom five team this season no matter what - we should be able to stomach the “distraction” if it means getting a higher return for the future.
Distraction from playing in a post-Eichel team. The issue with the tank was how hard we steered into losing. I don’t want that to happen again. I want the team to play to win every night. And instilling tjay culture on a poor team is a hard thing to do. Therefore, I think it will be critical Eichel is not around to disrupt that.
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I think it will be a huge distraction for the whole team if he isn't. That's bad when you're trying to reestablish a culture about people who want to be here, and teach them a new system etc.
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15 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:
I honestly thought we were gonna sign him..
I'm quite concerned right now I thought they were gonna bring a vet center in They cannot let 2 kids Anchor the lines
Their best bet is a contract dump in an Eichel trade
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I think Eichel was the wrong person for us to try and build a franchise on. That’s not to say he isn’t talented, or doesn’t work very hard. But I think his response to the whole affair is fairly telling, and not something I want to see from my captain.
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Phew - back to normal. Signing a player I have never heard of for league minimum
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Good signing - and cheap
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1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:
Mike Russo is a writer for the Athletic and is the beat writer for the Minnesota Wild.
He is also (generally) one of the more connected insider sources (but only for the Wild). Like Friedman, I mostly take what he says as true until otherwise proven.
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5 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:
OK apparently this happened and if true jack you're an *****
I saw Jack Eichel at a grocery store in Lowell yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him about the trade or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/eichel-mega-thread-v.2837635/page-29
Lol this story is a copy pasta in the hockey community. Eichel didn’t do this
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21 minutes ago, French Collection said:
Need a better goalie in a trade or as a cap dump.
Cap dump C might help as well but I wouldn’t want to be tied long term to a Duchesne or Johansen type.
Georgiev has requested a trade from NYR. Maybe they can get him?
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So far a pretty lacklustre FA for us.
We currently have the second lowest cap hit in the league. However, we have signed 23 players, whereas Ottawa (the lowest), are about 5 mil below and have 5 more players to sign.
Also, our goalies - woof!
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