Trettioåtta
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I think the reality is that at the draft Eichel was a clear second overall selection - there was no doubt or debate about it.
Right now, there is debate about who should be second overall, and Eichel is not the undisputed choice.
Therefore, Eichel has failed to live up to his pre-draft hype.
(or others have exceeded theirs - or a little of both)
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5 hours ago, freester said:
ROR nice play
Dude is a beast in the playoffs. Not far off a PPG player in the playoffs
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41 minutes ago, JohnC said:
Wasn't it J. Botts who got Tage Thompson in return for ROR? It took some time for the fruits of that trade to manifest itself but as time goes by that deal looks better, or at a minimum can be considered a fair value trade.
ROR won the Selke, Conn Smythe and Stanley cup. Tage has had one good season. Four years after the trade. Short of him becoming a genuine first line centre for a prolonged time, we won’t ever win that trade.
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34 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
Exactly what I was afraid of. This might indicate he won't be ready to compete at the NHL level yet. Guess we will see how he grows.
I have also heard that teams have been covering Quinn hard, which whilst limiting him, leaves ice open for his teammates (who have been scoring). I haven't seen any games, so can't comment on how good the analysis is.
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8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Episode #100 Part 2. Petey brings up Tim Murray's drinking again. Gio diplomatically tries to dance around the locker room issues when he was captain, but it's easy enough to read between the lines.
"There's groups, right? There's your bottom group that you need to change that aren't good for the group. There's your top group that is really good. Now you have that middle group that can go either way. Who do they connect with? Who do they get drawn by? Unfortunately those middle guys got drawn the wrong way. So now you're completely outnumbered'"
$10 says the bad influence was Evander Kane.
Bogo and Kane et al wasn’t it? Vs Gionta and Gorges
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2 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:
That was the bottom end prognosis.
On the other hand, there's Power, Quinn, Cozens, and Dahlin. I don't think anyone makes that trade.
At the same time, an RFA is that much closer to UFA, so you only have the guy for a limited time before you either have to give him a potential Skinner level contract or watch him sail off into the sunset.
Fair - but there is no way you should be signing that free agent if you're anywhere near the bottom. I get miscalculations occur, but the only way I do it is if the cupboard is well stocked, and the team looks ready to take the next big step, but is missing a piece, so the other team gets four 20-32 picks.
E.g. picking the Wild as the classic bubble-style team:
- 2014: Alex Tuch
- 2015: Joel Eriksson Ek
- 2016: Luke Kunin
- 2018: Filip Johansson
I still trade that for Hubes (or pretty much any 23 year old stud)
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1 minute ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:
Fair point and I get it.
$5 or $6 per for VO is a lot and is a pretty big overpay I think. That's the problem. At least it is for me.
I entirely agree. I don't like it - and with all our ELCs due to end in the next couple years, we don't want money wasted. Potentially a 4 x 5.5 makes us quite vulnerable
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4 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Gut feel is that his drop-off is as simple as running out of gas at the end of his 1st full pro season. (Remember he dealt w/ a couple of issues last year (mono & sports hernia?).)
Haven't noticed him on the ice in ~ a month. He was the most noticeable F on the team before that (as the stats well document).
Could be inured too
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Forwards
- Skinner, Thompson, Tuch
I don't think this top line changes, too much chemistry (although Tuch cooled off a lot towards the end)
- Krebs, Cozens, Olof
I put this as the second line with trepidation. We would need a big step up from all of them really. I would sort of like this to be a hard-checking two way line (e.g. three Cozens). But we don't have the pieces for that. Krebs' vision and Olof's shot could make it more of a rounded line - the classic, playmaker, sniper and grinder combo
- JJP, Mitts, Quinn
Feels like Mitts is due a breakout this year (if he ever has one). Quinn and JJP have great chemistry, and experience together and are dynamic to play with Mitts. I put this as the third line, to give all of them space
- Asplund, Girgs, Okposo
A fourth line that shuts down the opposition, and plays more like a 3b, than a 4. I like the ability to roll lines
- extra- Hinny
I really like his game, and someone is always injured so he would play most games.
I worry that this forward combo really relies on the kids and them all taking steps forward - but maybe that's just where we are? One more really solid two way vet would ease my tension though.
Defence
Veteran stay at home RHD (second pair)
Third line LHD (anything)
- Mule - Dahls (formerly Risto)
- Power - RHD
- LWD - Joker
Depth is always nice, and having Joker dominate against third liners is preferable than merely hold his own against second liners
Goal
Goaltending is tricky - it really depends on UPL and the coaches assessment of him. I like Anderson, but he is too old and at best can be a veteran third goalie. I wouldn't mind brining him back as that (if you can carry 3 goalies?) and he is ok with it. Otherwise, I think Fleury is your best shot. Doesn't seem like tons of options out there really. This is definitely the most important too.
- Fleury
- UPL
- Andersson
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4 hours ago, sweetlou said:
Don't have access to watch full games. I usually base my predictions on size and pedigree and not on just statistics.
Going back over the past 10 years I do remember some of my predictions.
I liked Boldy over the Cozens pick in 2019 because of Boldy's size.
I know I liked Matthew Tkachuk the year we took Nylander. He just didn't fall to us and Sabres didn't trade up together him.
The big one for me was Draisaitl. You could tell he had good speed and had an NHL body when drafted. Sabres went with the safe choice in Reinhart.
In 2013 we took Risto and let Canucks take Horvat one pick behind us who I also really liked.
This seems like an inconsistent post. You say you like size (I assume bigger being better), but Cozens is bigger than Boldy and Risto is bigger than Horvat (i.e. 50% of the options you list). Personally, I don't like factoring weight too much into things - an NHL body for an 18-year old who likely won't play for a year or two, by which the string bean also has put on muscle and has an NHL body.
I also think an NHL body can actually over-value the prospect, as they have been able to muscle their way through the lower leagues and cant do that in the NHL and don't have the skill to compensate (see Kassian as an example, but its a super common problem).
I also (personally) draft away from pedigree, I think someone's father or brother being a good player is also used to over-evaluate players (i.e. Nylander, Subban, Staal etc.). I'd take the players on their own merit rather than family connections.
Finally, I think it's unfair to 'criticise' Sabres for not drafting a player who was already drafted, or not trading up for them - they may have really liked Tkachuk, but Calgary wanted 3 firsts to move the three spots.
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2 hours ago, IKnowPhysics said:
Big oof. Naw.
Maths:
If impact is defined by a 200GP player, then even in the back half of the 1st round, you still have a ~44% chance of selecting an impact player. Over the course of four selections, each which that chance, here's what you get:
9.8% chance of not selecting an impact player
30.9% chance of selecting precisely one impact player
36.4% chance of selecting precisely two impact players
19.1% chance of selecting precisely three impact players
3.8% chance of selecting precisely four impact players
And four years of firsts isn't temporary. In a sport with an average career length of five years, that's an eternity.
But none of this matters because:
...be matched by the other team.
20% chance for three players that could be bottom 9 players vs a bonafide PPG player who plays in all situations could be worth it though.
Nylander, Zadorov, Ristolainen and Grigorenko for Huberdeau is a trade everyone would make. I think prospects and picks can often by hyped up, and games played can be a poor way of evaluating 'impact' (even though I know it's common). How many late first round picks make it to 200 career points, rather than 200 games, for example?
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3 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:
I don't think this is going to happen, but if it does ...
If I'm KA I do not match. That's a lot of $ for VO and 2023 1st is pretty solid even if it's lower in round 1.
The issue here is that you're trading a top 6 player for a future over a year away from even playing (at best). For a team that is looking at possibly 12 years without playoffs that is potentially a big call. Deep draft or not.
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What do we do if someone offer sheets Oloffson. Likely in the 5-6 range, such that we would get 1st and 3rd in 2023?
I like the idea of using the second round pick to get a young decent player.
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Vegas are away for the rest of their games. You have to believe Dallas puts their all into their game.
Nashville has a hard schedule, but should get at least another two points, so if Dallas win, I think it’s all over.
Not a good look for Eichel in these crunch games. On track for a 52 point season (I get that he was returning from an injury, but even so).
ideally they lose on Tuesday, they realise it’s all over and the locker room issues break the team apart for their final twist games. Leaving them on 90 points.
The Canucks then win two of their last three (win against Kings or Oilers required). Then Vegas’ pick drops one lower
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So Jeff Skinner in the worst contract in the league is on track for 61 points.
Jack Eichel costing $1 million more per year is on track for 62 points.
interesting tidbit I found whilst looking at how Vegas are doing
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20 games left in the season. I think the next three are crucial. They lose them, I think panic sets in, PTSD starts to hit Eichel, he tries too hard and they don't play well in a team. That could carry them through to 10 games left in the season with them only 6-8 points higher in the standings, but which point it is too late to correct.
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12 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Umm, you mean besides the fact that the Sabres couldn't do so until after January 1 but the Drury deal was ready to be signed in the fall?
Don't forget Reiger's stupid 'Don't negotiate during the season' rule
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Has either had anything to do with the Sabres since 2007?
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Refs know they ***** up based on the speed of the make up call
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Nearly 5 goals for Skinner - valiant effort by Tuch to get him his 5th
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Two deflections off skates that lead to goals - no luck tonight
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1 hour ago, Ruff Around The Edges said:
If the Peguals were paying GM's to tank, the former Sabres GM's would be doing anything to retain their jobs as the richest GM's in sports.
Have any of them had to take a top job since? They just need to work for beer money now
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23 minutes ago, WildCard said:
Why is the trade deadline so late this season? March 21?
I guess this massively helps cap-strapped teams?
2022 NHL Draft Combine: May 30th-June 4th, Buffalo NY
in The Aud Club
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Some of the combine tests can also reveal asymmetry in the kid's physique (e.g. right leg noticeably stronger than left) - useful for knowing when discussing training regimes, or evaluating likelihood of injury etc