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If Parise is such a good 5V5 and two-way player who performs under pressure, why was he dead last on the team with a -8 in the playoffs this year? See, I'm just nitpicking just like Vanek haters do in order prove their hatred for him and love for every other player who isn't on the Sabres. :rolleyes: That makes sense.

Can you post up some proof of these numbers? Since you claimed both players were equal in PPG when in fact Vanek is nearly double........... I'm not sure I can take your word for it.

You might want to check your stats. Vanke has nearly DOUBLE the amount of career PPG's as Parise in only 40 more games played (96-51). Vanek has a higher GPG average. Vanek had more GWG's this year than Parise even if you include playoffs. Every single stat you can think of Vanek beats Parise. It's not Vanek's fault he doesn't play on the PK. We've all seen him the few times he's been on the PK and he's pretty damn good. Plus my entire point is why is everybody looking at Parise like he's some kind of god?

Seriously, what is so special about Parise? Is it because he stands out in a UFA list that is pretty weak this year? Vanek has better numbers than Parise but judging by the way people on this board talk about each player you'd never know it. I'll be glad if BFLO doesn't get him. He's not worth the $$ he's going to get.

Screw that, keep Foligno and dump Miller while he still has some trade value left. Some people think he's still good, and he's only got 2 years left so 1) they won't have to worry about him being a UFA at the end of the season and 2) he doesn't have a 10 year contract to worry about. Dump Miller and keep Foligno. We're trying to keep/find guys with heart, not trade them.

As much as they pander to the Golden Boy, it wouldn't surprise me.

Hindsight is so convenient after the fact. I think the majority of this board was in agreement that it was a decent deal at the time. A former 35-40 goal scorer hopefully looking to get a fresh start. But yes, it did end up being a horrible trade. Boyes blames coaching but he was in a rapid decline before he got here. He just never took off like we all had hoped.

I can't believe Vancouver gave Garrison that kind of contract! The dude is an undrafted D-man who had one good year. I understand players hitting the market looking for the best $$, but when you go undrafted and an NHL club gives you a shot to make the pros there has to be some kind of loyalty. I know Tallon wanted him back but I think he knew it wasn't worth the risk. I hope Garrison continues to play like he did this year, but I get a feeling he got way overpaid for way too long.

Not to mention Ennis was in a contract year and didn't have enough playing time because of injuries to prove his worth. So he went balls to the wall in the short time he had. If that's the case, there's another reason why he wouldn't be to sustain that for an entire year.

I think getting rid of Ennis is a stupid move no matter how you look at it. But I hope you people aren't expecting him to be the savior and answers to all of BFLO's offensive woes. So he went on a hot streak for 15-20 games. A lot of it had to do with Foligno's hot streak which a lot could be attributed to the adrenaline of being called up to the pros for the first time. All too often I've seen people get all hyped up when a player gets into a hot streak only to be disappointed. Let's give Ennis some time to see if he can back up last years performance after teams have figured out how to play him.

I wouldn't do it for either.

Those get funnier every time I see them. :rolleyes:

Hope they got Ovechkin's permission first. :rolleyes:

Somebody took advantage of Thursday Happy Hour.

Just glancing over some of the other forums (I won't mention which ones or anything that's said, I'm sure it's against the rules... I'm not signed up for any FWIW). It's interesting to see how fans from other teams value current Sabres as opposed to what some Sabres fans think they're worth.

You've conveniently avoided my point.

Let's not forget the fact that Nash has been the team. As much as we think the Sabres lack scoring, Vanek has been surrounded by players who can score goals. He hasn't been the complete center of attention like Nash has been for Columbus. He gets more opportunities to score than Vanek does. I thought the reason to make deals this offseason was to improve the team, not just swap similar players.

I agree with the bogus trade rumors on twitter. I'm not on twitter but I see them talked about on here. But the fact that BFLO has 4 picks in the top 44 should be a hint that Darcy will make some kind of move by the end of Friday night.

I'm with you. Way too many people grossly overrate some players who are on the market while seriously underrating the Sabres it would take to trade for them. I've seen some pretty radical trade ideas the last couple of days. Stafford, Sekera and two 1st rounders for Ryan? Seriously? Maybe Stafford and a 2nd. And as much as people think we need to completely obliterate the core to get anywhere, I don't think it's a smart idea to get rid of Stafford.

Isn't that redundant? :P

I think you guys are grossly overvaluing Brown.

Actually, I think he's signed for one more year. But you get the picture. Why not pick up a couple of 35-38 year olds who can still put a few pucks in the net? We can all laugh at John Madden but the dude has come up big and been a big part of the Panthers this year. These guys understand their role, there is no ego getting in the way. In Leino and DR's defense, Leino was pretty high on the FA list before the season started. In fact at the time much of the media was saying it was one of the bigger signings of FA. I still think the contract was way too long and too $$$, but I don't think DR was wrong in going after him; when you consider his playoff performances and that's what Sabres fans had been calling for.

Ah OK. Thank you.

I can respect that. I like hearing other proposals whether I agree or not, you obviously put some thought into it. I agree with some of what you said. You've read my posts and I'm not big on focusing too much on a starting goaltender. I like Vanek too much to use him on a goalie. But that's just me. I'm not sure Nick offers enough offensively. But I bet Dad would love to see his sons on the same team. I wouldn't mind Clutterbuck. Looks like you're leaning towards more of a minor overhaul than I am. I think Foligno and Hodgson will bring more than we think. I agree, DR has no intentions lf doing anything with Leino so it's probably a moot point. Ya know what I'd really like to add? Some old character players. I think BFLO sorely missed some seasoned vets during their suck phase. I thought they needed to bring in one or two after Neidermeyer and Grier retired. Those types may be too old to offer anything significant, but almost all successful playoff teams have one or two resident old guys. I can tell you that Madden and Jovo have made a huge impact on the Panthers this year.

Somebody mentioned an app? I didn't realize there was one for this board. I browse the full site on opera mini or the mobile vesion on the default android browser. What am I missing?