SHAAAUGHT!!!
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1 minute ago, Curt said:
Why is the 20-21 Lineup Thread in the Sabres Picking 8th Thread???
I thought it was appropriate since we are talking about using that 8th round pick to get a 2C and help shape the line-up
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16 hours ago, freester said:
So now Kahun is a top line player? That is a recipe for failure. We need to add talent to our top 6 and not put players In bad positions where they will fail. I would rather put Kahun at 2C and acquire a quality 2RW. I also think that Skinner needs to be back with Sam and Jack.
Kahun could make it on the top line if he is with Skinner and Eichel (and maybe even Reino and Eichel), but I don't know if he fits with Eichel and Olof yet. Kahuna and Olof and both undersized wingers and I would worry about their effectiveness - on the same line - down low.
16 hours ago, Thorny said:I'm not sure you'd find a stronger proponent for "we need to acquire a real 2C, THIS offseason", than me.
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If this is the bones:
Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart
Skinner - True 2C - X
...I have zero concerns about the viability of filling X. We'd already have a 1st line winger on the second line, even a true 3rd line RW keeps that line's average solidly in the proper-2nd line range.
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The new GM can make as many moves as he likes, to likely increasingly diminishing results, but the best course of action actually requires the fewest moves, quantity wise. 1st one admittedly will take some aptitude and ingenuity (they ARE paying these people), but the second 2 are run-of-the-mill GM baseline competence.
- Acquire the 2C
- Trade a RHD for a LHD (hockey trade)
- Sign a back-up goalie.
Put your John Hancock on that off-season transaction report with a flourish and reap the benefits of a return to fan base enthusiasm.
A "True 2C" would immediately give Kyvyn some credibility, and I think it's doable with the cap crunch a lot of teams are facing and the number of serviceable players and prospects the Sabre's have. More importantly it places less pressure on the 3rd line to do anything more than chip in every other game and get better, properly allowing the younger players develop. I'd be happy if we saw the following and only had to part with Risto, 1 or 2 prospects, and #8 overall:
Olof - Eichel - Sam
Skinner - True 2C - Johansson/Kahun
Tage/Casey - Cozens - Johansson/Kahun
Girgs - Larry - Okposo
Extra: Lazar & tbd
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On 6/23/2020 at 9:24 AM, Drag0nDan said:
This is my thoughts on gutting it. Eichel could fetch the most in a trade, but he's by far the best player we've had here in a very long time. I dont need to look at jersey sales to say that he's #1 by a long shot. Skinner's value is super low... so why move him for pennies on the dollar. Dahlin and Joki are on ELCs, I wouldn't move them when i can likely add years of team control after next year. If they're smart they lock up oloffson for like a 5ish mil cap hit, thats fairly palatable.
Everyone else? I'm listening to offers. Reinhart, Montour, Risto are the big 3. It's probably a bit early to give up on mittelstadt and Thompson - but you can't also go into a season fully expecting them to contribute more than they have. If packaging them in gets you a better return, I'm for it. But this team has like no forward prospects, so its hard to consider moving the ones they do have.
I just have no idea who's ready to come up from AHL, because so few players have come up in the last several years that i just assume they'll suck when they're here. Can Borgen play at the NHL? He's played 2 years at AHL- when else does he get a shot? What about Bryson? 3 year starter in college, played real well last year. Hickey? 4 years. Do we have any forwards who can play?
Great post. The biggest job for GMKPAP (General Manager Kim Pegula-Adams-Pegula) is to get a proper return on any trades for the players you mentioned in paragraph 2 (Reinhart, Montour, Risto, Casey, Tage) so the team is stronger, not just different.
With regards to which forwards from the AHL may make sense to bring up, I think that depends on how the first 2 lines look after trades and RFA signings happen. I would be ok with Cozens playing with Kahun and Tage/Casey if we are only looking to fill a third line out. But if any of those players are expected to see time on the 2nd line, I don't know if I bring Cozens, Tage, or Casey up without a crazy good camp. I think the guys that win spots out of camp are guys that will fill a need in Krueger's system, and it's hard to consider who that may be with so many question marks on the roster right now...
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1 hour ago, Curt said:
They didn’t let him walk. He walked out on them.
I guess but that's semantics to me. If they weren't willing to offer him $ over league minimum they basically opened the door, and shoved him. But technically yes, he walked.
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7 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
Adams has hinted at icing a team that's more in line with the community. As Matt Barnaby said in his podcast, Buffalo's a "blue collar town." Probably not anymore, but the perception is there. And I don't care if you're a blue collar town or not, a huge percentage of the fans want to see fights, hits, hustle, grit, wallpaper, dirt and elbow grease — whether it contributes to winning or not. My opinion is that at this point in team history, it's more about filling the seats than anything else.
(I meant sandpaper, but I'll leave wallpaper as clear evidence of my cognitive decline.)
This could be one of the reasons the Sabres let Pilut walked. He is fast and skilled, but not big enough to be "gritty" on the back line.
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7 minutes ago, shrader said:
The whole process seems pretty standard to me. Get the press conference out of the way before you announce the rest. They give Adams his moment and they don't have to answer all the questions right away. Dodging the questions? Sure, but I'd do exactly the same.
It's standard to fire your NHL GM and scouting staff 6 hours before firing your AHL HC and front office, have a press conference in between the two events, and then not even have a prepared tweet ready to go to address the future of the organization?
This seems lazy and haphazard, not standard. After 9 years of owning and running a team, they should know how to do better.
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Why did they have this presser before they fired the entire front office of the Amerks later in the day? Have they announced another PC yet to discuss the CT firing?
Wouldn't a cohesive message about the future of the organization be appropriate at a time like this??? Who made (or didn't make) these decisions?
It's not a good day to still be associated with the Buffalo Sabres organization (unless you're RaKru)...
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4 minutes ago, SDS said:
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What does this have to do with someone telling them the PC was bad? Maybe having a good PC isn't on their radar and any communication of the PC will probably be met with talk to the hand.
I guess my point (and ironically I likely could've done a better job conveying it) is that a good leader would recognize this as an opportunity to address a major issue with this franchise - the lack of a clear message and/or strategy about their future plans. It hurts ticket sales, it hurt TV ratings, and it hurts attracting talent on and off the ice.
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5 minutes ago, SDS said:
What does that mean? They own the team.
What does what mean? The Pegulas just fired their GM after having his back 3 weeks ago, did not perform a GM search to see what other GMs strategies would be for their organization that has missed the playoffs for 9 years, had a press conference and didn't address the direction they wanted to take the team, confirmed they are not in a rebuild - so things must be better than before (so again why was he fired?), etc etc etc.
Edit: And the fact they seem tone deaf to this has me thinking they aren't "surrounding themselves with the best people"
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My guess is that no one in the organization has the guts to stand up and tell the Pegulas that "press conference" was garbage. If Adams is a man of the people and really out there listening to fans, he would know that is not what anyone wanted to hear. I hope someone in that organization with some brains (hopefully with the initials R.K.) is driving the bus or I have major concerns about the direction of this franchise...
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It almost sounded like Terry was going to say what the disconnect between JBotts and him were but then realized it and stopped...
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1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
His being fired is nothing but business as usual for the Pegulas, but Jack's comments made it likely. However Adams is just more of the same. He hasn't been a GM at any level or an Assistant GM at any level. What does he know about the job? Again just more of the same by the Pegulas.
I believe this team is actually one important move from being competitive. That is getting a 2C. Getting an experienced GM would have made this even more possible. Getting Kevyn Adams makes a successful deal a pipe dream. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but the history of Jbot and TM's first deals show the rookie GMs getting taken to the cleaners.
100% agree with this. He may be inexperienced in the GM role, but the key attributes needed for that job are can be broken into 2 segments: critical thinker and effective manager.
He should be ok if he's smart enough to properly evaluate personnel (his staff and players), if the Pegulas actually support him as they stated, and if he's not afraid to ask for resources or make bold but thoughtful moves. I'm not sure how smart he is at this point because I haven't listened to him enough, but he most likely has enough contacts throughout the league from his playing, coaching, and FO days to put together a team that knows how to win.
Fingers crossed that today is the beginning of the end of having to watch an incomplete product try to win hockey games.
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2 hours ago, nfreeman said:
No. Narrowly missing the
24-team pandemic-drivenplayoffs does not mean they were a bubble team.I'm pretty sure narrowly missing (or making) the playoffs is literally the definition of a bubble team. I used the strike-through feature to help with comprehension. ?
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Just now, Eleven said:
Some people never can be satisfied. Too soon and too late?
Too soon: there are a lot of RFAs and a handful of key UFAs to sign for this upcoming season; Botts finally was out from under the years of crap contracts signed by previous GMs; why wait all this time to fire a GM that had just gotten to the point he was finally able to operate without the fully burdened weight of previous managers
Too late: what changed from the beginning of this season until the end? The '19-20 Sabres were always a playoff bubble team, and that's exactly where they finished. Why keep your GM all season when you have several key negotiations coming up?
I can be satisfied. It just requires competence, a high level of performance, and critical thinking from team ownership all the way down to equipment managers. Unfortunately that has been in short supply lately...
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Interesting move after Kim's comments a few weeks ago. Terrible move from an ownership perspective. It is both too soon and too late to make a move like this. It gives the appearance the Sabres ownership are steering a rudderless ship.
Curious if we find out the true story on the O'Reilly trade now. I've always speculated Botts was forced to make the trade before his signing bonus was to be awarded....
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I'm struggling to understand why people are valuing 9-13 minutes on a bubble teams 3rd scoring line as a better developmental path than playing in all situations 20+ minutes a night on a good team. Especially when, and please allow me to paraphrase the sentiment of many, run by a front office and coaching staff that has been notoriously bad at at developing high draft picks...
And while this borders closer to semantics than I typically like to venture: Cozens was the best player on his team, but he was not the best player in the league or set any records so he does have room to improve in the WHL.
To sum up, I think it is rather short sighted to assume Cozens should 100% be in a Sabres uniform next season. Until all the summer signings are complete (notably Kahun, Casey, Tage, because those are the peers he is competing with), and until we get a look at Cozens in camp, he should penciled in for the W.
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6 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:
What's the difference between watching Sabres hockey and looking at another dude's butthole?
I've seen the Sabres in person before?
1 minute ago, SHAAAUGHT!!! said:I've seen the Sabres in person before?
Ok this was a lie. There is no difference.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
Reinhart went back in draft +1. Cozens has already done that. He's 3rd in the whl I think in scoring. He dominated almost every game. There's no point sending him back. There's no challenge there.
Challenge #1 - Consistency (every game, every shift); shouldn't be a problem if the WHL truly isn't a challenge
Challenge #2 - WHL Player of the Year (he didn't win it this year,; he was 7th in scoring)
Challenge #3 - don't just elevate your game, but the game of the players around you
Challenge #4 - improve scoring and defense by improving play away from the puck
Challenge #5 - make the Sabres out of camp in 21-22 in a 2C/3C and PP role
I don't see how this hurts his development, or the Sabres, at all.
Maybe he comes back in the fall at 205 lbs and looks even faster. Ok, let's talk 9 game tryout then. But nothing he's done in the W at this point shows he is ready for a contributor role in the NHL as a 19 year old, at least in the type of role the Sabres need him to play. If Jack Eichel wasn't the answer as a 18 and 19 year old, Cozens isn't even on the list of wrong multiple choice answers...
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7 hours ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
Can he play in Europe as a 3rd option? He would be playing against men and possibly higher quality opponents than WHL.
I don't think he can as a junior player. I checked the LIGA and SHL and there is only one Canadian teenager between both leagues.
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1 hour ago, Ogelthorpe said:
If cozens is on team this year it will be mismanagement of another 1st round pick
46 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:Actually it isn't. Going back to juniors is not going to push Cozens further. I wish he could go to the AHL but sadly the NHL has one of the dumbest agreements I have ever seen.
Ideally Cozens should be in the AHL next year, but that isn't an option. So assuming he isn't ready for a 3rd line NHL center role, which almost no 19 year old is, its 1) have him overachieve in WHL and try to set some single season records 2) rush him into the NHL and potentially botch another young players development the same way they've done to Middlestat, TT, and Risto. I pick #1 - unless JBotts makes a move to grab an established 2C. Otherwise there will eventually be a push to play Cozens on line 2, and that isn't good for him or the Sabres.
22 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:If we are batting .500 with Tage and Casey M. turning into top six forwards, I'll be happy.
Agreed. I'm still curious to see what their next contracts look like. That should be the first true indication of the Sabres front office expectations for them going forward. I expect them both to be low dollar "prove-it" contracts that look similar to each other.
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25 minutes ago, Taro T said:
He made Baby Giraffe (aka Thompson) look positively graceful by comparison. His skating was awful. He was a goon that flashed potential should he ever gain control of those limbs. There was a reason he was often 3rd pairing on bad Aisles teams & even when he had pretty much figured it out by the time he hit FA in Otterland, the Otters chose to give the big bucks to Redden rather than Chara. They thought he was the safer bet to be a #1 & they saw him every single day.
He fully came into his own in B land. (Helps to be on a MFT while still have goony tendencies; but the rest of his game blossomed as well.)
When he got to Ottawa they had a solid D core in place so he didn't have to be "the guy," even as a mid-20 year old. I remember watching a lot of Ottawa games with the other team celebrating and Chara looking up to the rafters.
He figured it out in Ottawa and proved a lot of naysayers wrong when he continued to contribute, and improve, after joining the Bs. So it took him into his late 20s, and 2 teams, before he fully developed. Its not unreasonable to think Risto still has some upside.
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Kudos to the league for coming up with a fun, interesting, and only slightly controversial solution. Even if it doesn't happen (which it probably wont) it shows the people running the league do have some legitimately creative ideas.
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14 minutes ago, Taro T said:
The Sabres don't face a "cap penalty ... for being over the cap." They never exceeded their BF-LTIR cushion. They will however have Dahlin's bonuses & any that any of the other ELC guys earned come out of next year's cap because their actual cap salary exceeded the cap and there is no money banked under this season's cap to cover those. Those and Connolly's buyout are the only reductions to next year's cap (whatever it happens to be) that the Sabres face at present.
I have a feeling the league may invoke a special circumstances clause (assuming there is one), or hold a vote, to address some of these cap situations. The double whammy of seeing a salary cap reduction at a time when teams were making deadline moves to position themselves for a run at some expense of the future (trading a high pick away, dumping RFAs due a raise next year to make room for a rental this year). This is just what team managers are dealing with. All FAs right now have to be a little worried because a cap reduction means less free cash flow for teams for new contracts.
Since it impacts both the front offices and players I could see a compromise being reached for the 20-21 season. That said, given their current "economic hardships" I bet PSE would welcome a salary cap reduction for next season ?
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10 hours ago, nfreeman said:
Overall, it seemed like Yardon -- who I think is reasonably knowledgeable about the team -- had an idea for a take and tried to bend the facts to suit his position.
And I did agree with this, which was his main point, although IMHO most of the rest of the article well overstated it:
"However, the oodles of cap space the Sabres appear to have on the surface is a bit of a mirage."
This was one of the few bad articles I've read since joining the Athletic.
Some of the contract estimates were way off, but the mirage comment is silly at best. Yes Yerdon, the Sabres will have to spend that cap space to fill out their roster. That won't be there forever. What it does it gives the Sabres plenty of flexibility to make moves and revamp as much of the roster as possible.
2020-21 Trade Rumors and Speculation
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This. We need to add a top 4 forward without subtracting a top 6 forward. That's why I really like Risto for Boeser - its a good hockey trade and the Sabres instantly get better. There would still be a hole at 2C though...
I'm not sure what the complimentary pieces of the trade would be since the contracts are similar in value and both run through 21-22. It wouldn't surprise me if we swapped a 3rd for Vancouver's 4th round pick, or there was a prospects swap, for optics sake