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7 hours ago, Curt said:
This is a You problem. He is 20.
Wrong, this is a Sabres problem. They need a solid third line center and Casey has shown nothing so far to prove he is the guy.
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4 minutes ago, Weave said:
I don’t think Casey is well suited to wing at all. Reinhart’s game screamed wing to me. Casey’s game screams center to me, but I’m becoming concerned as to whether that game is developing enough.
I think we would need to develop his game as a winger, but that is easier to do than develop as a center. He came to camp a lot bigger, but he will need to work on play down low. I just don't think his defensive awareness is where it needs to be to be an effective center, and I'm sick of waiting for him to figure it out. He seems to struggle to find open ice without the puck in the offensive zone, but I think a lot of that has to do with him being concerned about being F1 on the backcheck.
#unleashCasey
edit: open ice without the puck
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Put eRod back to center and move Casey to wing. Let eRod focus on defensive and Casey go ham on wing. In 1-2 years Cozens will be our 2/3rd line center anyways and at this rate it might take Casey another 2-3 years to develop into a solid two-way center.
Also, Vesey should spend some time in the press box when Sheary is back. He has been solid defensively but we have enough grinders. Sheary/eRod/Middlestat will cause teams fits if they can play north-south and use their speed to their advantage
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15 hours ago, Weave said:
I'm losing optimism re: Casey. He's got mad skills, but.......
Yeah, that's why I think he is more suited as a winger. He is so offensive minded and always wants the puck on his stick. Let's reduce his defensive responsibilities and see how we does on a wing. He does look bigger and heavier this year so I think he would be effective in the corners once he got used to the position. Maybe in time he can develop into an NHL center, but he doesn't seem there yet. I think him playing HS hockey vs Junior and then only getting one season of college hurt his development in that position. He likely just didn't have to worry about defense in that league because the competition wasn't there to challenge him.
Remember how Ruff once opined (and I'm paraphrasing) that he wasn't going to put Afinogenov in a defensive role/situation because Max is an offensive player - period end of sentence. While not as extreme of a case, that might be what we have here in Casey...
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54 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:
I very much like the player and thought he was strong at times last year. I raised an eyebrow when he didn't make the lineup coming out of camp. Matter of fact, I thought it was crazy, but after watching him so far, not sure he's helped himself.
I agree. eRod has not looked good this year, but besides the Pens game, that entire line has struggled this season. Vesey has looked slow and more suited for a 4th line grinder role. Middlestat has show flashes, but appears more suited as an NHL winger at this point than a center. Sheary was great against the Pens (as usual) but trailed off after that. Sheary gets an incomplete from me at this point because of the injury, but when he was in the line-up he looked more effective than eRod.
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I haven't seen a Sabres team play so well to start the season since 06-07. Fast paced, crisp passing, lethal PP, and all 4 lines able to contribute meaningful minutes. I'll remain skeptical through November, but things are looking very positive.
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Just now, LGR4GM said:
Casey came out of college. Victor has played multiple shl seasons and AHL. They aren't the same.
Agreed. VO is much more prepared than Casey could have ever been. But the SHL plays 52 games a season, and the AHL plays 76. The AHL schedule is definitely the closest to the NHL, but the compete level is nowhere near the same.
VO's going to have ups and downs during the season and it wouldn't be surprising to see him come off that first line at some point if he struggles. If that happens it will be interesting to see how he responds, and how he does playing with other forwards. People have been talking about him as a only a sniper, but that's really the only role he's been asked to play so far. I'm not sure what his ceiling is yet, or what type of player he could be, but I'm looking forward to watching him and trying to get a read on it
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5 hours ago, #freejame said:
Rob Ray is an idiot. VO has 25 goal potential this season and has a ceiling of around 30 through his career. He does a lot of other things well, but he’s going to be a pure goal scorer.
Agreed 100%... if his conditioning holds up. I'm not saying he's out of shape, but it's his first year in the league and it's a long grueling season. Just ask Casey.
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12 minutes ago, ... said:
I love how the pom-pom holders will try and discount everything in preseason games because they're preseason games. You mean to say you expect these guys to instantly shift gears in a week when the regular season starts? These guys have had all summer to work on their game, do you really think their individual games will improve over the next week? That's not how it works. It's a slow climb from now through January to those other gears.
What you're seeing is essentially how we will start the season, with the addition of another week of practice and a solidified roster. There's no reason to think otherwise.
And, FWIW, Mitts looked like hot garbage out there. Shooting wide, missing open nets, passes to no one. I don't know what other people are looking at, but the dude needs to go down for the season.
Should we expect these guys to shift gears for regular season? Yeah, of course. Sure the bubble players and guys looking to move up a line or get some PP/PK time are going to givr 100% in preseason, but half the team is just working on timing and not getting injured. It’s similar to the Sabres games in Feb-March. Fans talk about players ending the season strong, but by then the Sabres are seeing the other teams back-up goalie 50% of the time. All I’m saying is pre-season is not a true reflection of a teams potential. It’s a chance to get up to game speed, evaluate your depth, and identify development plans for players.
I agree on Middlestat looking not very good out there. I don’t think Skinner or Tage looked great either though.
But Risto looked fantastic, and Sobotka looked really fast. I still don’t think Sobotka has a role on this team when Larry gets back, but I don’t think we should be in any rush to move Risto unless we get a true top 4 forward. His contract terms make him valuable to almost any team out there.
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I think he may have an “elite” season or two in him. His ceiling is still high even at 26 - goalie development is strange like that.
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What I typically do is cancel the cable TV subscription part of my Spectrum package in May/June, and then re-add it in September before the season starts. This allows me to qualify for a package deal so my bill goes from $70/month for internet only to around $115/month for internet and cable. It won't help you guys for this year but something to consider going forward.
Also, I recommend calling Spectrum and trying to renegotiate - just tell them you can't justify spending that much money (whatever your bill is today) on cable TV when you spend 90% of your time watching Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/etc. And if it doesn't work, call back every 2-7 days until you find someone that will help you. This is what I did before I started cancelling cable in the summer.
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On 8/10/2019 at 9:23 AM, Curt said:
That should definitely be a pretty good 4th line. We have watched it be a pretty good 4th line for like half a season+ already.
What are the chances Okposo is healthy and can play on a 3rd line with Rodriguez and Sheary instead of Girgs and Larry on the 4th?
The (at least) 3 concussions in 3 years took a toll on his cardio and speed the past few seasons, but he was a 50-60pt player before that, and 45/44pt player in 16-17/17-18.
I can see him being a 20g/50pt player again if healthy and playing with speedy guys like eRod and Sheary.
Kyle isn’t playing in da beauty league this year so we have to wait for camp to see, but I think that would give us a strong bottom 6 with Sobotka playing on the 4th line.
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2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Wow a hot topic on a guy who will likely spend the year in the AHL. Dog days of summer indeed.
Lol. I was thinking the same thing but it is substantial for 2 reasons. 1) JBott corrected valued a support player and gave him an fair and appropriate contract 2) everyone on Dallas loved Elie because he’s a competitor and gives 100% every game - that’s the type of example and work ethic we need to set for the prospects in Rochester
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
Andrew Copp came in at 2 years, 4.56 mil. So my guess is it'll be around that.
Team picks the term, right? Did they already pick one or two years or do we hear that later?
Correct, and the offer from the team was 1 year.
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9 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
I don't even know where to begin, but I’ll try.
Ultimately the ROR deal plus, Moulson, Okposo, Gorges, Franson, Fasching, Kulikov, Kane, and Bogo, decimated our prospect pipeline and the Amerks, placed us in cap hell and only gave us a mediocre team with no future. Yeah! Congrats! This rebuild needed a better manager, a better player and prospect evaluator, a better communicator and someone with an organizational vision to build a franchise for the long-term. TM was none of these things and IMHO is among the worst GMs in NHL history.
I completely agree. TM was a failure when it came to attracting talent, hiring coaches, and signing deals. He constantly overpaid and didn't know how to build a team. This is what I picture today when I think about GMTM
JBott had a decent roster last year, but the team failed, and a lot of that had to do with coaching (and because JBotts couldn't make a deal for a top six forward during the season). So what does he do? Fires the coach and goes and get one that is a world renown team builder. I'm not sure if Kruegs was the entire reason Johansson signed, but it definitely helped getting him signed, and at a reasonable price.
Comparing JBotts to GMTM at this point is premature. JBotts is about to start his 3rd season at the helm, and you can already see how he's shifted from a short-term strategy (I need NHL ready skaters in my line-up) to a long-term strategy (I need enough talent on the NHL squad so I don't have to rush kids on ELCs into the league and I need a healthy AHL team to develop those kids). TM said all the right things, but didn't know how to deliver.
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That is pure speculation on my part, but if you look at the timing of these deals it appear JBotts and his front office have been working this daily and I don't expect them to stop until their team is finished. I think it's a safe bet the Sabres aren't going to be signing anymore FAs, so all other moves will be signing RFAs and through trades. Originally I expected JBotts to sign all his pending RFAs and then re-assess his cap situation before making a trade. But after the Johansson signing (he's a LW and we need an established 2C to legitimize this line-up) I'm now leaning towards a multi-player trade that moves around a big chunk of salary (Risto/Scandella/Bogo/Sheary/Sobotka) among a pick or two to get that 2C. Fingers crossed!
Edit: arbitration on remaining RFAs starts in 3 weeks
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Glad this is done. I like Larry, Girgs, and Okposo as the 4th line with Wilson rotating in. Now we only have $5.1MM to sign Ullmark, McCabe, and E-Rod, which is not enough. The dominoes continue to fall. Should be an interesting next 7 days...
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11 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:
1.) Mostly agree. Our weakness was in bottom six. However as I alluded to in an earlier post, the reason why my position changed was due to the fact that the return of Vlad, Tage and Berglund were all below average. In theory it should have helped. But it didn't. The Berglund circumstances were unique, but still hurt team overall. If you factor in the the 1st round pick drops to 31st overall, it only strengthens the case against the trade.
2.) Yes, Berglund's absence hurt Casey's development. But JB/PH lose points for continuing to play him in that role. He should have been in Roch by January. Or playing 4th line with the Sabres acquiring a veteran Center.
3.) It is subjective, but I too agree. Perhaps only b/c I want to believe it.
4.) Their record was actually better this year than last. It only seemed worse b/c the last 4 months of the season. I cannot say the fact it was slightly better was due to the trade. I also would not suggest it was addition by subtraction. The numbers suggest the pieces that came from STL hurt the team and were below replacement level. The uplift was due to Dahlin, Skinner, and a nice step by Sam. I agree with your argument about anchor's. Anchors away my friend. So no reason not to make better use of that money this season.
5.) If Sheary, Okposo, Casey, Tage or Nylander are playing 2nd line minutes next season, we are doomed. The only player on the roster that I could see in a top 6 role is Olofsson, if he is protected by a strong center (Hayes?) and Sam on the right side. And that means another UFA/Trade assumes the first line RW role. I don't believe anyone offer sheets Marner. Panarin wants $11M+. You might get a Hayes & Skinner in a best case scenario, but you certainly cannot afford Panarin & Skinner. That's over $30M on your top line. And it will not be long before Rasmus will need something to 'wet his beak'.
I'd say our weakness was the middle six last season, because they had more than enough 4th line roll players on the roster. We needed more from Okposo and Sheary on the second line, and didn't get it. Rodriguez may surprise us next year and push for a 2nd line roll instead of Okposo or Sheary. Kyle seems to have settle on being a 3rd/4th line power forward, and I prefer if we had a roster that allowed him to be in that roll.
I don't like the idea of Casey playing 4th line minutes at all. He needs ice time during games to develop - whether it is in Roch or Buf is up to management and the roster. But I fully agree he played too much of that 2C role this year for the struggles he had. Unfortunately there was no one else on the roster that could step into that role and actually produce on a constant basis.
And regarding the crew you mentioned for 2nd line minutes, we need at least one of those guys to step up or next season will be better, but we will still be a bubble team. I'm expecting Tage and Casey to make some serious gains in the off-season to push for a bigger role. Olofsson still has a ton of potential at 24, but I'm not sure one season in the AHL has acclimated him to a role beyond 3rd line winger and playing the off-wing or point on the PP.
The Sabres do have around $30M in cap space next year thanks to no $7M O'Reilly contract, $3.5M from Berglund, Tage's entry level deal, $5.6 from Pommers, $5M from Moulson, and $3.2 from Johan + Zemgus. Even when they sign their key RFAs (Ullmark at $2.5-3M, McCabe $2.75-4MM, Rodriguez $1.5-2.5), they will still have $20-25 to spend. Skinner gets $7.5-8, Paranin $10.5-11, and you still have some cash to fill in 3-4 more contracts, depending on other roster moves. Right now the Sabres only have 5 contracts signed for the 20-21 season, which gives Jbot a lot of flexibility on term and AAV.
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Even today it looks like there are a lot of takes and opinions on this trade. I still don't hate this trade and here's why:
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The 2017-2018 Sabres roster was comprised of only 2.5 top 6 forwards - O'Reilly, Eichel, and Kane (who I believe has proven himself as a solid middle 6 during his tenures in Buffalo and SJ, but shouldn't be considered a top line threat anymore). The rest was 3rd/4th line role players, guys running out contracts, and rookies trying to break into the league. Jacob Josefson played 39 games and had 4 points. Nick Baptiste, Scott Wilson, Jordon Nolan, Benoit Pouliot, Zemgus, and Larson didn't fair much better with a similar number of games (or more). Pommers, Okposo, and Reinhart were pedestrian at best. Want to throw up in your mouth a little bit? Matt Moulson and Seth Griffith played 14 and 21 games that season, respectively. Check out the roster and stats, it's disgusting… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Buffalo_Sabres_season#Player_statistics .We needed 3-4 top 6 forwards and didn't have the assets to get them. The O'Reilly trade brought us 3 roster players at a similar cap hit. Yes this cost us 1 of our 2 top 6 forwards, but who else had any trade value on that team besides Eichel? Kane was the only one and we got a fair return there. My main point here is this trade plugged some upcoming holes for the 2019 season while overall freeing up cap space to go make a splash in FA or with a trade (see Skinner trade)
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The Berglund Breakdown - this was a monkey wrench thrown into Jbots plan only the Blues GM could have likely foreseen. Berglund was not happy about being traded, was not happy about his role with the Sabres, and was not happy with being a hockey player anymore. It appeared Jbots strategy was to pencil Berglund into the 2C role and let Middlestat develop. If Middlestat appeared ready to handle a bigger load he could step in and provide the offensive 2C role, while Housley would be able to rely on Bergs for the defensive 2C role and a veteran presence. Decent plan considering what they had to work with. Unfortunately this plan burst into flames and drove straight into a ditch. A happy Berglund would have helped this team, and his departure left a significant void - one I felt Zemgus should have stepped into.
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O'Reilly wanted out and didn't care about this team. Let's face it - Ryan is a crybaby when things aren’t going well. He cried about his contract in Colorado and forced his way out of there, he cried about the team he captained in Buffalo and forced his way out of there, and he's going to cry if/when St Louis starts to get bad. Yes he says all the right things and is an amazing hockey player, but the guy has the constitution of 10 ply toilet paper. Yes I am aware this is subjective, but the first 2 things actually happened so I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb here.
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The trade worked. Blah blah blah their record was worse, blah blah blah they only had one forward line that could score blah blah blah there coach was in over his head blah blah blah. This is not GM mode in EA sports. You went from a team with 2 top 6 forwards to 3. You had a team that was actually enjoyable to watch for the first 50 games, even when they lost. And you ended the season with a number of assets you can still use along with some cap anchors coming off the books. Yes JBot has RFA and FA contracts to get signed, but so does almost every other GM in the league.
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What does JBot have to do this off season? Add scoring. He can do this by signing Skinner. I'd like to see him make an RFQ offer sheet for Marner, and if that fails go after Panarin. Having two scoring wingers we could play with Sam and Jack will be lethal, and let's see who comes to camp ready to be a top 6er out of the Tage, Casey, Nylander group. My guess is that Casey is coming to camp next year physically ready for the 2C role. I'd love our top six to look like:
a. Skinner - Jack - Sam
b. Sheary/Okposo - Casey - Panarin/Marner
This would give us 4 top 6 forwards, playing with a high potential prospect and a vet next year.
Sorry for the long post, but I really enjoy thinking about the short-term/long-term strategies when it comes to building a team, evaluating talent, and managing salaries; and I've been stuck on this line of thinking for a while when it comes to the O'Reilly trade. I'm curious to hear other people's opinion on it considering the points I've made. Let me know what you think!
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On 3/26/2019 at 10:44 AM, Drunkard said:
Rick Jeanneret is a cyborg that is fueled by beer. He will outlive us all and continue to work until the Sabres finally win a Cup in 2154 when all of us are worm food, our ashes blown away in the wind long ago, or sitting in an urn on somebody's fireplace.
The popularity of IPAs over the last few years has led to capacity constraints with his fuel sources, forcing him to remain close to the Niagara Region so he can repower as needed. Don't forget, it was only a few months ago when the influx of returning hipsters - back from college - bought all the seasonal lagers (as 6 packs too ...the savages...), forcing a scary situation in the broadcast booth when cyborg-RJ ran out of fuel. This almost caused c-RJ to become self aware and realize that he is no longer just a man, but the future of mankind.
Go Sabres. Long live RJ.
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2 minutes ago, sodbuster said:
Anybody else just totally lose their MSG GO feed?
Mine just came back on
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I voted yes because I expect Jbotts to make a move for a top 6 FWD and there are 5 teams within 6pts of the Sabres right now
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On 1/29/2019 at 1:31 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:
Generally speaking we won't know for a couple of years until we know about his deals and draft picks, but there is a lot to like so far despite my anger of his slow reaction to replacing Berglund
Excellent analysis. I would add the moves and contracts JBots has negotiated gives us the cap space to sign someone like Skinner to a long-term deal (yes Berglund did help us here). He also positioned the team to have a flexible and manageable salary structure 3-6 years from now. We have 4 skaters on ELCs (Dahlin, Middlestat, Tage, Pilut) that all have the potential to be the cornerstones of this team when Jack, Sam, Skinner, start to fade. We also have 4 1st round picks over the next two years, which will usher in another 1-3 potential cornerstones on ELCs.
The team is better this year, and is poised to get even better going forward. I just hope JBot evaluates talent the same way he manages the cap - like a boss.
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2 minutes ago, Hoss said:
The bright side here is that this was probably the best place to have a medical emergency. I hope RJ is ok and this was precautionary
Larsson/Girgensons Contracts
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$2.5/3MM each for Larsson and Girgs??!!!! I think some people might need to take a deep breath. I would but I just threw up in my mouth thinking about paying a checking line $12MM that has doesn't have skaters good enough to move up and down the lineup.
It looks like we have a coach that knows how to get the most out of people, so I'm not worried about paying anyone next year not named Samson (likelay $7.5-8.5/8 years) or Montour (idk yet). Nobody else up for a contract has any leverage; I don't care what type of year they have in '19-'20.