SHAAAUGHT!!!
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22 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
IMO this not how to rebuild. This is the Murray approach which did not work in any way shape or form. Taking young promising prospects, getting impatient, and trading them.
If the only criteria for a defender is size (you have mentioned size in each post) than you are going to end up with a bunch of oversized guys that aren't useful contributors. Pk Subbam (6' 210lbs) plays a position we do not need. He plays probably the only position we just don't need at all on the entire team. We have 4 right handed defenders right now. Montour, Ristolainen, Jokiharju and Miller. Miller and Risto are bigger. Joki and Montour the same size. PK might weigh a bit more.
Tage and Casey make no money. They free up almost no room and sending them to Rochester basically frees up their entire cap hit anyway. This is nonsensical from a cap standpoint. While I would agree neither player may make an NHL impact, if you are going to trade them you have to get something you need in return. We need forward help.
Lawrence Pilut is probably the 2nd best LHD on this team right now. I cannot fathom how he doesn't bring us value by playing for us. Risto with Pilut last season was starting to really click before Pilut was injured.
We do not have 6-7 tier 1 or 2 prospects in the minors (by minors I assume you mean AHL, to be honest I might be able to get to 6 if I included the junior levels). We have Mitts, Tage is injured, and maybe one of the defenders not named Pilut. With Pilut we have 4. The contenders do not because they are either on the big cub or they have less than your 6-7 threshold. They do not trade all of that for NHL assets. They stay at the junior level, play a year or two of minor hockey and either get moved, promoted, or remain in the AHL. Most teams at the minor AHL level have probably around 4 guys. Why? Because in each draft you only end up with 2-3 players that ever have an NHL shot. Tampa is a good example of this. Cernak, Stephens, Cirelli all spent a year in the minors and then came up. None were traded away. If the Sabres truly had 6 AHL guys, I might agree with you but they simply do not currently.
I couldn't disagree with you more in regards to Subban. The bottom line is that trading for PK Subban specifically is a waste of assets for a team that simply doesn't need another defender. You can argue that we could trade a defender to free room for PK but why? Why would we do that? How does that help us? Adding 9mil to the cap certainly hurts more than it helps and if you have the ability to cut Bogo lose and someone else to free up cap this year, it would be foolish to waste it on a player that fills no need for the team and has 2 more full seasons at that 9mil cap hit. That means that you still have that 9mil against your books when Dahlin and Jokiharju need new deals.
Find me a center 25 or younger (Anthony Cirelli) that you want to get and I will be more than happy to clear cap and send out Tage or Mitts or potentially Pilut. The concept of doing that because PK Subban is big (again 6 foot tall and 210lbs isn't really big) and is a name we have heard of just isn't the best way to allocate assets. Assets that have been mismanaged for a decade.
Murray's biggest fault was his lack of personality. It's hard for someone who doesn't have a personality to build a team in a sport like hockey. The GM role was too big for him to handle and we are still feeling it.
Size is not my only criteria for a player and this proposal is more complicated that this player for that player because of "name that advanced stat." My proposal allows us to get away from Okposo's and Bogo's contracts which reduces the impact of Okposo's contract to the Sabres by 1 year and $6MM (PKs contract is one year shorter). Just like Kyle's contract, moving Bogo's contract clears up space for this year and helps us with our current LTIR situation and risk to our cap next year (same can be said for dumping Kyles contract). This will cost us a prospect or two but a move like this could provide the space to allow up to get that 24/25 year old center with term on his contract. These are the types of scenarios that I hope JBott is evaluating, and I hope he is rejecting them when its not going to help the Sabres long-term.
Tier1/2 prospects: for sure Pilut, Mitts, Tage, Cozens, Ukko, Asplund (yes he's called up for now); up for debate Borgen and Johansson
Dahlin, Joker, Risto, McCabe, Miller, Montour, Pilut, Bogo --> Dahlin, Joker, Risto, McCabe, Miller/Montour, Subban? I could get behind that.
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3 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:
It JNOT goes out and makes a trade to bring in a defensemen I will angrily eat a sandwhich.
Unless he moves 1-2 D-men out at the same time to make moves for a forward. The cap is handcuffing a lot of teams this year, and as good as the Sabres cap situation is next year, this year is proving to be brutal, especially with the LTIR possible costing us some room next year.
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15 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
This, right here, is the exact opposite of what this team should be doing. Trading multiple young assets for a veteran who doesn't play a position we need and doing it so you can clear bogo and or okposo.
Assets are only assets when they bring value to the NHL club. Young assets are assets that don't help the Sabres in the near future, which is where this team needs help. Pilut is a 24 year old undersized defenseman that has a likely ceiling of a #4/5 defenseman on a good team while spending time on the PP. He is replaceable. I wouldn't put both Tage and Middlestat in the package, but if it frees up enough cap space to make a move on a top 5 forward I would send one of them out without batting an eye.
For too long this club has been in rebuild mode. The answer to building a contender at this point is not stockpiling Tier 1 and Tier 2 assets for the future, but finding the right mix of players that support long-term organic growth while making multiple incremental moves to improve depth and consistency on the big club. We have 6-7 tier 1 and tier 2 prospects in the minors. Most contenders do not because they flip them for on-ice NHL assets.
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13 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:
Subban looks like he has really lost a step or two. Big guy who isn't as quick as he use to be, IMO
I thought he looked good during the first Devils/Sabres match-up this year. A lot of times he looked like he was the only one on the ice for the Devils doing anything. The second time they played he looked worn down and beat up. For the Devils, he was "the guy," for the Sabres, he won't have to be "the guy." I think in this system PK would do well, and give us a big physical presence on the blue line that this team desperately needs.
IMO we would have to give up one of our best blueline prospects and a middle top forward prospect if they were willing to take on the Okposo contract, which is why when there was news on Pilut it peaked my interest.
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13 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:
Is there a broader move in play here? Maybe Bogo on the cusp of being moved?
Do we think the Sabres might be in on PK Subban? When I heard he was looking out of NJ a few days ago I thought about his fit for the Sabres. Yes $9MM for the next 2 years is a lot, but we have two key defensemen on entry level deals for 1 more year and it could allow us to dump the Okposo and Bogo contracts while only giving up prospects like Pilut, Tage. I'd throw in Middlestat if we could get out from under Okposo's contract because if we can, that means we get Subban for $3MM a year ($9MM for PK - $6MM for Kyle) while freeing up $6MM in '22-23. I think everyone agrees PK isn't work $9MM a year, but in this scenario it is affordable and makes this team better short and long-term.
Also, I know Kype has a Modified NTC where he can submit a list of 15 teams, but NJ may be a fit if he still has any ties to the tri-state area.
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21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
How about doing something, anything, to try to make this team better. Trade ERod and Bogo for two McDonalds hamburgers and a bag of donuts. That’s all they are worth.
Agreed. Bogo's contract will get easier to move as the season goes on, but right now I can't imagine there are a lot of teams that want to pay him $5MM as a bottom pair defenseman unless we send a pick or prospect along as well. eRodent on the other hand might fetch a conditional 5-7th rounder.
Neither of those options help us immediately, unless it is just to clear up cap space to make a bigger move. Which poses the question: JBotts - why haven't you made a move yet???
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1 hour ago, Scottysabres said:
Not that I will particularly miss Bogo or E-Rod, but, it is apparent there is a serious problem within the organization here in Buffalo.
The only organizational problem this is evidence of is that the Sabres have a bad habit of signing some pretentious entitled crybaby *****. BOGO and eRod are the latest two players on this list that previously included such hits as Patrik Berglund, Ryan O'Reilly, and Robin Lehner. Okposo and Larry both struggled for years after coming back from injuries but they took their lumps, put the work in, and are now performing better than anyone expected this season.
Nothing is worse than people under-performing at their job and then blaming others for their lack of success. Except maybe racism. Racism is really bad too...
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1 hour ago, Marchand'sNose said:
We're also just a few bad games in a row from bouncing down from the #2 division playoff seed to #12 overall in the conference. I still don't think much has changed with this team. Our critical #2 center of the future is now a regular scratch, our $10 million-per-year left winger is pulling a Matt Moulson on us, and our comatose GM continues to waste away the prime years of Eichel without any urgency to make the playoffs.
Or am I being overly negative?
Right now only 4 points separate the #2 slot in the Atlantic division (held by the Sabres) and the #7 spot. So the Sabres need to AT LEAST maintain the level of play we are seeing lately. No one should be overly optimistic or pessimistic at this point.
The game changer for this team will be when we trade to get a forward. Will he fit in? Will he struggle and cost us games? Will we miss the D that was traded at some point during the season? Will it be enough of an upgrade to get us 2-3 more wins in the standings than we would have if we didn't make the trade? The Sabres are a bubble team for sure this season, but at this point it's up to JBotts to make a move to ensure that bubble carries us past the wildcard cutoff line before it pops...
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11 hours ago, Mustache of God said:
How do folks feelmabout a bogosian fof galychunck trade straight up? Does Pitt need D?
Dec 12th: BOGO requests trade from Buff
Also Dec 12: Galchenyuk's ice time increases 65% to 16:39 after spending most of December getting less than 10 minutes a game
You think they announce this trade today, or wait until tomorrow? ???
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Skinner - Larry - Sheary works for the reasons you guys mentioned above, but this is by far the fastest line we have on the team and will cause good teams fits if they stick together going forward.
Larry has unfairly been the whipping boy the last few seasons as he’s worked to get back to 100%. He was a very quick skater before he broke and dislocated his arm. Last season he started to show flashes of that speed again and I think it’s been apparent this year he’s back to form.
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1 hour ago, Doohickie said:
You can find it in a couple of clicks.
Director of Analytics: Jason Nightingale
A couple interesting names in the front office: Teemu Numinen is an Amateur Scout- that's Teppo's brother. Brett Ruff (Lindy's boy) is Coordinator of Hockey Administration. John Van Boxmeer (former NHL D for Canadiens, Rockies & Sabres) is a Pro Scout.
Anyone know how we lured Mike Komisarek into the organization? Interesting since he doesn't have any prior affiliation with the Sabres that I'm aware of
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18 minutes ago, Curt said:
People should stop swinging wildly in their overall outlook on the team on a game by game basis. The result of this game can neither save or doom the season.
Stop being so reasonable and rational - this is the internet ???
The Sabres aren't a top 10 team in the NHL, but they aren't a bottom 10 team either. Consistent efforts on a nightly basis, regular game-over-game improvement for developing players, one move mid-season and another at the deadline could get them to the second round.
JBotts isn't a terrible GM, he's just green; the coach, also a bit green, is a known for being an effective motivator; and Jack Eichel is proving this season to be a leader on the ice and in the locker room.
Sure it's not the best situation to be in, but it's not dire (yet). There are going to be a lot of ups and downs this season; everyone should strap in and enjoy the fact that we have a management team that doesn't ruin the development of future propects (i.e. Dylan Cozens) to superficially improve the team on paper.
I hope the Sabres step on the Leafs throat tonight. 2 losses in a row against a struggling Sabres team would turn the heat up in TO and hopefully disrupt any left over momentum from the Babcock firing.
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I would gladly trade Reinhart if it brings equal value back and reunites Skinner and Eichel. Samson and a RHD or two should yield a top 2-3 FWD.
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13 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Burtuzzo was suspended 4 games. Arvidsson is out 4-6 weeks. Something is wrong with this picture. The scales of justice seem un-balanced.
It’s time to make the punishment fit the crime. How about 4 weeks instead of 4 games? Send a message that is enough is enough.
At some point teams and players will get the message that this type of play and behavior is unacceptable.
Unfortunately I don't think the front offices, or more importantly the players, want anything close to accountability - and here's why:
1) GM's would have to deal with a new host of salary cap issues if players faced longer suspensions
2) Lost playing time (and money) for the player - the players, the teams, and the league, don't want their guys sitting very long, especially if he is a superstar (see Kucherov v. Sobokta's knee)
3) Lost revenue for the league - it's bad enough one player is out, now two are going to sit? Depending on your assumptions, it's unlikely the reduction of suspendable infractions justifies the additional player days lost from a "more appropriate" punishment (think something similar to ROI on a investment)
4) If the players really cared, the NHLPA would address this in the collective bargaining negotiations
At the end of the day if comes down to money and playing time. Nobody wants to lose a significant chunk of either one...
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32 minutes ago, FiXCzeR said:
This was easily, my favorite commercial too. I spent years searching for this one as well. To no avail.
However, instead of shrimp, I'm pretty sure Hasek ended the commercial by saying to Zhitnik...
Hasek: "Here have a cocktail weenie"
You are 100% right! I'm hoping one day I find a box of VHS recordings of Sabres games from '94-'01 at a garage sale so I can find it and share.
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42 minutes ago, Weave said:
MUST SEE! MUST SEE!!!
??? I still say this to people in a terrible Czech accent and they just assume I'm crazy
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The correct answer is the Adelphia commercial with Zhitnik and Hasek. Hasek is sitting on the couch trying to watch TV and is being screened by player standing in front him. Zhitnik comes in and DESTROYS the other player and apologizes to Hasek before offering him a shrimp off a serving platter. Pure comedy gold.
I have searched for this commercial high and low over the years but haven't been able to find it...
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1 hour ago, DHawerchuk10 said:
That Okposo collision was very similar to the collision that ended Lafontaine's career with the Rangers, in that it didn't seem too bad from looking at it.
Just like Patty, Okposo has a warriors heart and I don't see him wanting to call it a career just yet.
2 hours ago, Taro T said:LTIR will likely be an option. There isn't any recapture should he decide he wants to go that route. And, my guess is, he more likely would go that route rather than retire. (Though, believe if he is forced to retire due to injury that he still gets paid the money owed. Would have to recheck that section of the CBA.)
The concern becomes, at what point should he hang 'em up and how do the Sabres handle it if he won't agree (should they believe) that the risk to his health isn't worth continuing.
I just watch the guy, but cringe everytime he ends up getting hit in a corner. Can't imagine how stressful it is for his family.
Does anyone know if the Sabres are able to put him on LTIR if they refuse to clear him due to concussion issues, but he claims feels ok to get back on the ice?
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6 minutes ago, Radar said:
Actually Vessey I don't think has been bad just not scoring.
Well, from what I've seen so far this season he's at his best when he's a warm body out there not making mistakes. I wouldn't call that good either...
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3 hours ago, Taro T said:
He might be. In which case he probably gets dealt because he'd see himself in the Canucks Hodgson or the Pens Stoll role - stuck at 3C but 'knowing ' there are teams that he'd be the 2C at worst.
Or, he could firmly be the #2C with Cozens either 3C or 1/2RW. In which case he ends up getting a deal similar to what Reinhart will soon be getting. And Botterill has the good problem of figuring out how to squeeze a 5th non-goalie core piece into their cap along with Eichel, Skinner, Reinhart, & Dahlin. (Along with possibly 1 other currently rostered D-man.). Or perhaps at that point he gets traded in a Johansson/Jones sort of trade.
There is still a massive amount of variability for where Mittelstadt tops out. But I've seen nothing to date that says it won't be quality #2C which is still my expectation.
He's made some improvement this season on the defensive side of his game, but his ineffectiveness at faceoffs has me worried about him as a 2C. I think its unfair to think Cozens could step in next year as the 2C, but he could/should challenge at the 3C position. If that happens, does this push Casey out of the organization, or to a wing? I think it's much more likely that he ends up at LW in this scenario but it also may depend on how much he's looking at for his next deal. He hasn't shown as much as Samson did before his 7MM/2yr bridge contract and also burned a year off his ELC for those 6 games in '17-'18.
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I'm curious to see how the defense responds after getting Montour back, and having a few days off to rest and practice. They've been spending more time pinned in their defensive zone the last few games, but I've been chalking that up to fatigue. 13 games in 25 day will have that affect...
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JBotts has an incredible amount of flexibility next year with so much salary coming off the books. What I hadn't really considered until today was the incremental cap space he should see from Seattle. Here is a decent article from Forbes that talks about the impact Vegas had on the cap.
This could give JBotts the option of giving someone like Samson a bigger deal without stretching himself too thin in year 3-8. I see Reino getting 8 years @ 7.5-8.5M AAV,
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2 hours ago, dudacek said:
Casey has significantly outplayed ERod so far this year.
Meh. Neither player has contributed significantly. Casey is the more skilled player, but he hasn't been able to translate it into points.
12 minutes ago, inkman said:Casey needs NHL wings or send him to Rochester. Playing him 8 minutes a night with Matt Ellis and Paul Kruse isn't going to make him any better.
This could be a major reason Casey isn't translating that skill into points. eRod should've buried that feed from Casey last night.
I was only able to watch a few parts of the game last night, and the highlights today. Did this line generate much last night? It looks like Vesey and Casey both had 14-15 minutes, but eRod only had 7 minutes. Did this line get broken up or was it due to PP/PK time?
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Just now, Curt said:
Yeah, it’s true that Buffalo needs adequate C’s, but that fact that you are tired of waiting for a 20 yr old to figure it out does not mean that he isn’t going to be able to play a good 2/3C after further development.
It sounded as if you were passing premature judgment on the kid’s future simply because you have grown impatient with him.
I'm not saying Casey is a lost cause, I'm just saying we've been waiting on the future for 6 years - it's go time. If the kid can't figure it out we have skaters that could be a better option. Right now I'd rather see eRod as that 3C. I'm curious to see if Krueger makes any changes if that line isn't able to get it going tonight.
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Agreed on the futures for rentals - these deals aren't going to happen and shouldn't happen.
This deadline could be different because so much salary comes off the books next season. It wouldn't surprise me if JBotts swings a deal for an overpaid 2C with a couple years left on his contract while dumping Sheary/Bogo/etc for picks/future considerations to get through this year. They have the cap space and if you're going to overpay in this league it should be on a bonafide top 6C.