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34 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Go watch parayko play and then come back. Dude is a 4/5 defender with a bad contract and they don't go for 2 1st round picks and another 4/5 defender with a less worse contract. It's just a completely illogical trade to make.
Parayko has a terrible corsi at about 41.5% and a possession metric of -9.5 which is up from his -17 a year ago. He's about to turn 31 and has 5 or 6 years left at 6.5 mill. You don't trade Savoie, a top 10 2024 first, and Samuelsson for that. It's a massive overpayment when in the NHL without retention, that's probably a 2nd or even just a 3rd round pick to get him.
Jack Eichel got almost this offer in a trade. He got a first, a prospect worse than savoie, and Tuch who's better than Muel. The other pick is what separates these offers. So if Parayko worth almost Eichel? No freaking way, that's why it's a massive overpayment.
i dont care about his age. defenders of his style can play into their mid 30's.
protected 1st round pick. even if it wasnt - what do we have, a 5-10% hit rate?
muel is not as good. plain and simple. muel is not regularly reliable. muel is not playing from the coveted right side.
savoie is no guarentee of anything. what i do know about him - his younger teammate got called up to play a full season and is currently a 3rd line winger - and should probably be in rochester - but a fine 3rd winger for the next year or two. Savoie got sent back to after one game - on a team that is in desparate need of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th line help. while i hold out 'hope' for him - it is just that - hope. we know nothing about him at this point. as an aside, the sabres are not tough to play against, even if savoie is ready, he does not help with that.
corsi? for a guy who play 2/3's of the game taking faceoffs from his own end? could care less about his corsi. while i will not pretend like a lot of posters i have watched him play a dozen or so games - most of you would be lying if you said you did - i have watched him - and he is better than any of our RH shots on the team. a lot better.
you want to be a winning organization? take risks. 'lose' a couple trades. in the nhl, rarely anyone gets to coach or gm a team for more than a handful of years. and this isnt even close to the eichel value as st louis is getting nothing like tuch in return. besides - value of a player goes down when they demand a trade and the owner demands a big no on a surgery. poorly played cards is what that was.
in the end, give me a guy who solidifies our RH side well enough for the next 3-4 years - i take it because it fills a need. young depth is NOT a need on this team.
all of this is moot. the blues would reject this offer. parayko would reject this offer.
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40 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
Normally I would not take this to seriously but you see it when you watch him.
He stopped all the energy and the on ice banter. He rotates in and out, plays a soft style of defense, and stopped creating chances.
He has become like Joker but with a ring and a higher pedigree.
I am gonna be really interested in what Adams offers to pay this guy over the veteran 2C that he discarded.
Cant wait to see what 2C he brings in because Cozens is looking like a 3C and Krebs is not the guy right now.
couldnt agree with you more...our first line is probably best served as a second line on a contending team. as of now, this is what the team realistically looks like from a 'holes' perspective (imo):
1st Line: Peterka ? ?
2nd Line: ? Tage Tuch
3rd Line: Benson Cozens Quinn
4th Line: Greenway Krebs Skinner (i know, i know - prefer he is gone outright, but he wont be)
1st Pair: ? Dahlin
2nd Pair: Clifton Bryam
3rd Pair: Joker Power
Bench: RJ and Rousek
Now sure, we can plug Skinner into the first line, Rosen, Savoie or Kulich into this line or that line and move Tuch up to this line or that and this and that. On D, move RJ up to 3rd pairing and blah blah. Problem is, that is not a winning team under this current coaching staff - or possibly most coaching staffs. It is a middling .500 club.
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1 minute ago, thewookie1 said:
True, granted that proposal was a month ago
I'd love to hear why it's a massive overpayment. Muel, Savoie and a protected first round pick could all be a hill of beans compared to RH top 4 damn that is parayko.
The promise of the future is what is massively overvalued.
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1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:
Are you crazy ????????
I would. Parayko aged 30-36 vs Muel over the next 6 years, at 2 million more, right hand shot, plays D, transitions the puck and is a league veteran..... St Louis would be stupid to make the trade. Thus, the sabres should jump all over it if that is all it takes.
You can win in the NHL with 30+ year old dmen
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24 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Stick a fork in ‘em.
Byram is terrible lol
To be fair to Byram...he needed at least two weeks of DG coaching and the Pegula CC to ruin him
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5 hours ago, mjd1001 said:
I posted this a couple months ago, regarding comparables......and this was when he was just starting to play better, he has a longer stretch of good play since this was posted....UPL will likely have 45-50 career wins at the end of this year with 5 or more shutouts. Also keep in mind the goalies listed below were signed with a lower cap. I would expect any of those deals if signed this year would be 5% higher with the cap going up since then.
UPL was drafted in the 2nd round in 2017....so..I thought I'd look up what other goalies were drafted in the year or two before him (that might be on their 2nd contract now), how successful they have been and what they got paid at a similar point in their career:
-Connor Ingram (3rd rounder, 2016). Waiver pickup. 3 yr, $5.85m contract. (1.95 per year) 7 career wins upon signing
-Philp Gustavsson (2nd rounder, 2016). 3 yr, $11.25m contract. (3.75 per year) 32 wins upon signing
-Carter Hart (2nd round, 2016). 3 yr, $11.9m contract. (3.97 per year) 49 career wins upon signing
-MacKenzie Blackwood (2nd round, 2015). 3 yr, $8.4m contact (2.8 per year) 24 career wins upon signing
-Ilya Samsonov (late 1st round, 2015). 1yr, $3.5m contact. (3.5 per year) 79 career wins upon signing
i remember discussing this with you on another thread - and you are dead on. BUT.... I think most fans need to brace themselves for a 4+ million average on his next deal. if the organization wants any of his UFA years - you are looking at 5+ million.
Cap going up + organizational desperation + organization overzealous past signings = bigger contract for UPL. At least that is how his agent is going to approach it.
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24 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:
I understand the, “why not” because this team has not won anything. But two things stick out to say no.
The first is the average age of a player on an expansion team. They’re made of average veterans. Hypothetically, the best is yet to come with this Sabres team due to their age. I’ll sign up for that versus what Seattle has going for them.
The other reaction is on the pool of expansion draft. The generally used option for Seattle to build from was 7F, 3D, 1G protected. So a whole lot of third line forwards with a bunch of 2nd/3rd pairing D. I think the Sabres roster going forward has many pieces better than that.
slightly off topic - but i just saw the current sabres is only one year younger on average than our beloved 05-06 sabres team.
either that means by that by the end march of 2025 - we have either witnessed a big jump in the standing - or we are no longer allowed to use that stat to be hopeful about things to come...
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I answered yes - but timing is everything. at the moment - i am an anarchist sabres fan and i love good questions.
that said, if i was the decider of all things sabres - i would say no. the kids have talent - the parents are the trainwreck. so im just going to hope child services comes in and puts the parents in jail for excessive abuse and neglect.
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He might break it next year. His shooting percentage is lower than normal - but he is still getting that shot off.
I personally won't be shocked if he racks 45 next year.
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1 hour ago, ... said:
I was concerned for him in the preseason because he was a smaller rookie, but he plays super large and is bigger than all of these guys:
Matthew Phillips, C – 5’7″ 140lbs
Cole Caufield, RW – 5’7″ 174lbs
Bobby Trivigno, LW – 5’7″ 167lbs
Trey Fix-Wolansky, RW – 5’7″ 191lbs
Xavier Simoneau, C – 5’7″ 178lbs
Domenick Fensore, D – 5’7″ 151lbs
Logan Stankoven, C – 5’7″ 170lbs
Kailer Yamamoto, RW – 5’8″ 153lbs
Cam Atkinson, RW – 5’8″ 176lbs
Alex DeBrincat, RW – 5’8″ 178lbs
Mats Zuccarello, RW – 5’8″ 181lbs
Tyler Johnson, C – 5’8″ 185lbs
T.J. Tynan, C – 5’8″ 160lbs
Johnny Gaudreau, LW – 5’9″ 165lbs
Jared Spurgeon, D – 5’9″ 166lbs
Blake Lizotte, C – 5’9″ 170lbs
Yanni Gourde, C – 5’9″ 174lbs
Brad Marchand, LW – 5’9″ 176lbs
Joe Snively, C – 5’9″ 176lbs
Jacob Bryson, D – 5’9″ 176lbs
Nick Blankenburg, D – 5’9″ 177lbs
Conor Sheary, LW – 5’9″ 179lbs
Sheldon Dries, C – 5’9″ 180lbs
Denis Malgin, C – 5’9″ 182lbs
Marco Rossi, C – 5’9″ 182lbs
Nicholas Robertson, LW – 5’9″ 183lbs
Jonathan Marchessault, C – 5’9″ 183lbs
Nils Hoglander, LW – 5’9″ 185lbs
Brendan Gallagher, RW – 5’9″ 186lbs
Ryan Lomberg, LW – 5’9″ 187lbs
Victor Mete, D – 5’9″ 187lbs
Nathan Walker, LW – 5’9″ 187lbs
Justin Danforth, RW – 5’9″ 190lbs
Colin Blackwell, C – 5’9″ 190lbs
Torey Krug, D – 5’9″ 194lbs
Wow....nice post. I always saw him smaller than many of the guys you listed. Maybe part of that is his tendency to play in the tougher places...making his size stick out a little more.
Either way, thanks for posting this!
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23 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:
Fair enough. But dont be surprised if he signs a 2x2 deal with the Leafs or Red Wings and scores 25-30 and is in the playoffs next year.
well sure - if there are enough solid veterans and leaders around him and the culture is pre built - he is a nice 3rd line winger that gets additional minutes when the team is down multiple goals going into the 3rd period.
the sabres are not that team.
also - he is probably not a 25-30 goal scorer in that scenario - probably a 15-20 goal scorer if he maintains interest levels.
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2 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:
I’m sorry, but some are acting as though Skinner is the first high-priced, point-producing, bad at defence, sometimes lazy, winger to ever play in the NHL. There have been dozens and maybe hundreds over the years. They sometimes are on playoff teams and sometimes not. Skinner never being on a playoff team is a statistical anomaly far more attributable to the circumstances he has found himself in than to any impact that he had on those circumstances. That doesn’t mean that reasonable discussions about his role, impact, and future should not be had. But Jeff Skinner is not the reason we have missed the playoffs in the last 6 years anymore than Dahlin is the reason.
i wouldnt say he is the sole reason. there are always multiple puzzle pieces that create the nightmare scenario the organization finds its self in.
he is most likely one of the many pieces that has attributed to this spectacular implosion of a franchise. he is a really likeable vet making him impressionable on a young team. that is a franchise building no no.
if want things to get better; start removing as many bad pieces as you can. skinner is one of them.
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4 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:
I don't think there's any issue with voicing your opinion but you don't like when it's challenged.
For example, how could you possibly know if Tage has or hasn't been hurt? You don't just say, well I don't think he was/is/has been. You say , oh yeah, if he's so hurt, why didn't he pull himself from the lineup?
That's just being overtly nonsensical because you take entirely too much joy from the demise of the team.
It's nauseating and I'm calling you out on it.
To be fair, how do you know he was hurt? It's all speculation either direction. Tage has been average this year. That's a fact. All else is 'whatever'
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His upside is a point a game player. Good to have.
His size makes the odds of it happening less favorable.
Not impossible...and worst case, a top 9 forward....but he will have a tough battle towards 75-85 points a year.
Fwiw....I like the kid quite a bit...just not a building block you build your franchise around.
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54 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:
The people wanting him out of town continues to baffle me. He is a good to great forchecker, he is one of the faster skaters on the team. He does not make glaring errors in his own zone leading to goals, AND he scores as much (actually statistically at a higher rate) than most 4th liners in the league. He's a 4th liner, and a very good one.
Girgs is fine. He is definitely not the teams problem. Lock him up for 2-3 years imo
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2 hours ago, Pimlach said:
And according to Rivet and Peters, it was Pegula that push the signing of Skinner and agreed to the contract.
But again, Terry has vast coaching experience coaching his son at the Mite and Squirt level in that highly competitive Olean House League.
I always saw the Skinner contract as reactionary to the ROR debacle. Pegula and Bortteril panicked. Plain and simple.
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If I knew going in this team would be an 80 point, .500 stagnating club...give me the gritty bruisers. At least then I have a chance to like the effort behind the losing.
This teams currently makeup is simply immature and hard to get behind.
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2 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said:
I don’t dislike the players currently. They are just young kids. I loath the management and coaching. TP has ruined the franchise and is losing a generation of fans.
Yes...this is where I am at. The kids are kids. I blame the parents.
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I have always been an optimistic fan. Sometimes overtly apologetic.
I dislike this team immensely.
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Let me just go ahead and burst everyone's easter bubble....the sabres suck.
They are not going to the playoffs this year or next.
Our beloved team.........sucks
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This topic post is aging surprisingly well!
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Interesting article on average tenure of NHL coaches since 2000
Based on the average tenure length being less than 3 years - what makes DG so special that he gets more than 3.5?
And no one can make the argument that Pegula simply knows better than the rest of the NHL...13 years doesn't support that.
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On 3/28/2024 at 11:09 AM, Buffalonill said:
These players are just happy to get Paid and be with their friends good old country club atmosphere.
Adams Created this
well, to be fair to adams - i believe the Pegula's created this atmosphere a decade go -
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4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
No that is totally incorrect. Some of them were in fact paying no tax or less tax than average people. Hiding money in foreign places. There were several prosecuted and loopholes closed. No doubt many are still getting away with it.
Couldn't give a toss about Tavares. I'm sure he still has net more money than me and you together, even with the added tax. Boohoo.
i am boohooing no one. but i will never begrudge a person to hold onto as much money as possible - we are all keen to do so no matter how much we make. regardless, this is a hockey forum and would hate for us to go further down the political side of things.
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Rumor: Brady Tkachuk available
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you bet slugger