Samson's Flow
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19 minutes ago, shrader said:
No one will ever be able to convince me that the whole thing wasn't fixed.
Haha. I am not trying to figure out how some league executive could maneuver to arrange a Karlsson sh% peak season - threatening opposing goaltender's families, equipment malfunctions, etc.
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Just now, Brawndo said:
Beaulieu to the Jets for a 6th Round Pick
gamechanger.
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3 minutes ago, klos1963 said:
no trading away most of their talent and watching Colorado draft Hughes with their first overall pick is just dandy. I was kinda making light of the situation, chill out.
I think of the years when the Sabres were really down, the light at the end of that tunnel was the promise of getting the #1/#2 overall pick. I can't imagine as a fan watching a DFL team knowing the "fruits" of your suffering will be realized by another team.
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3 minutes ago, jame said:
When confronted with the facts... this is where you always retreat. Maybe continue to refine your position?
I'm giving you evidence that disputes your claim that Anaheim is doing a tear down. What evidence do you have to support the claim, beyond the Montour trade?
Maybe heed your own advice. We have given you plenty of facts and details that you have ignored as well. That's where the "fan who's always right" comments come from.
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1 minute ago, Brawndo said:
Sabres have something going on per White
OOOH Intrigue...
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Just now, shrader said:
Lemieux was 6 or so months removed from being drafted 31st overall and in the middle of a solid OHL season. It depends on draft quality obviously, but that's roughly the equivalent of the first round pick sent along with Guhle (since we're loosely equating things here). So on top of that, Winnipeg also got another first round pick. So again, if we ignore all the differences in the deals, sure, they're the same.
Exactly.
(Yes 31st overall not 33rd - I knew he was the first pick in the 2nd round but was thinking this was the NFL for some reason lol)
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Also how is Lemiuex a marginal prospect when he was drafted 33rd overall a year earlier? Talk about revisionist history now that we know he didn't pan out...
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1 minute ago, jame said:
There were major issues with Myers game. Myers/Bogo was a swap. The history of their play since them validates that position.
Lemiuex was a marginal asset, again validated through the last few years....
Myers having almost twice as many points than Bogo says otherwise. Also Myers was significantly younger at the time.
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Just now, LGR4GM said:
Come on John, it's "queue".
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1 minute ago, Taro T said:
It's not minutae. It's the difference in still having one of the LA 2nds, Lemieux, & Compher or Zadorov still available to use or trade or have the cupboards bare.
Agreed. Even a 3rd line piece like the ones noted above would be very helpful to our current team depth.
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1 minute ago, IrwinNelson said:
They’ve gotta have a partner to move those pieces though. It’s going to handcuff them pretty significantly.
Well we never said they were going to have a successful tear down. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
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2 minutes ago, dudacek said:
This is exactly the type of trade Botterill said he would make: a first for a player who should have a long-term future with the Sabres.
I liked the Murray trades then because I like trades that add a core piece without giving one up. Unfortunately Murray’s corr pieces didn’t work out that way. In my view it was the player that was wrong, not the philosophy.
Sabres fans mostly hate the Murray trades because the team stayed bad.
I can speak only for myself when I say I liked the "big" trades that GMTM made, the Kane, ROR ones got key "star" players for secondary pieces.
It was all his other trades where he threw our surplus of picks and prospects away for one prospect that was "his guy", when none of those guys (Lehner, Fashing, Carrier, etc.) were even close to a difference making player. His overspending for average players crippled our depth and forced the Sabres to rely on Eichel/ROR/Kane to try to carry the team.
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3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Yup... Vegas is stupid. That franchise is a year or maybe 2 away from a crash.
It's amazing how they were able to be good so quickly, but they seem to have gotten a taste of being a competitor and now want to chase that in perpetuity.
Icarus flying into the sun...
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3 minutes ago, jame said:
Correct. It was meant to counter a false cap/rebuild argument.
You know it is possible for other people to be right every once in a while? JFC...
1 minute ago, jame said:Anaheim is not doing a tear down
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Just now, WildCard said:
All rebuilds are not at the same point. Montour is perfect for our window, but Anaheim is just beginning their tear down and they need 2-3 years for it to turn around
Right, in 2-3 years Montour would be 27 years old and a few years into his new contract (RFA in 2020), and Anaheim will just be bringing in their "new" core of young players at that time. By the time they are expecting to compete again, Montour is nearing 30 years old and his play is declining or he's off the team after playing meaningless seasons in ANA.
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Just now, jame said:
Why would a rebuilding team not want to pay a 25 year old defensemen?
Montour is a huge risk taker, and when his style is reigned in, it becomes less effective. Anaheim rcognizes their cap scenario, age, etc require them to shift their game to a defensive model, as they rebuild. The reason Anaheim trades Montour is because they recognize they won't be good enough to sustain his risk/reward style, and he doesn't fit the necessary systematic changes they need to make to compete while they rebuild.
Buffalo, however, is building an uptempo team that Montour seems ideal for.
I think you answered your initial question in the bulk of your post.
Montour's play style didn't align with how a Randy Carlisle team plays, where as he fits ideally with a Housley uptempo attacking defense. Anahiem recognized that isn't the type of player they want to invest in, and acted accordingly.
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Just now, That Aud Smell said:
I didn't really follow along on the JBOT teflon business.** But this ^^^ part of the take makes a lot of sense to me.
** There's only so many ways to structure a trade in terms of assets going which way for what/whom. Sabre fans complained about XGMTM's trades of prospects and picks for NHL prime-aged players because ... it didn't produce a winning team. We will complain likewise about JBOT's moves if they similarly fail.
I think Sabres fans complained because of the cavalier nature in which XGMTM spent the currency of picks & prospects that the team had worked so hard to build up. multiple picks for Hudson Fashing, 1st rounder for Lehner, multiple assets for Will Carrier - these were all drunk uncle in Vegas spending habits.
I think it is different in the JBott has communicated how much he values the picks and assets we have, and seems more measured in his use of them.
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Just now, jame said:
First bold: Ask yourself why this player is being cast off then?
Second bold: All of Tim Murray's big trades can be described in exactly those terms.
the first bold - The Anaheim team as a whole is headed into a re-building phase, and while Montour is young, he only has 1 year before an RFA payday that a re-building team isn't going to want to pay for. If you are expecting to compete in the next few years (like the Sabres expect to) then that fits perfectly in the competitive window.
Anaheim is trading him to align their team to the expected competitive window, which is why a 21 yr old defenseman and a RD1 pick is more valuable to them.
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5 minutes ago, Eleven said:
But there is the other, easier, path through NYI.
Fair, but the post I was quoting was talking about winning the Stanley Cup, which to me is absurd since TB is looming there.
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Just now, Tondas said:
They are ALL IN this year. I give them credit for going for it. Some may laugh and next year may not be pretty. But if they win the cup, like they say in "The Full Monty", "Folks don't laugh so loud when you've a Stanley Cup in your back pocket."
They need to go through TB if they even get the #8 seed. Good luck.
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Just now, LGR4GM said:
I think this is the calm before the Stone. When the Stone deal happens, I think there will be a quick succession of other deals.
I see what you did there...
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I don't see a trade of Risto to Tampa Bay that I would be happy with honestly. There is no way that TB is subtracting from their roster in advance of the playoff run, and the prospects quality doesn't interest me enough to trade Risto. No interest in futures that are 3-4 years from making an impact.
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2 minutes ago, WildCard said:
Not entirely. Just looking at those lines and they're going to all get caved in vs the Leafs
The Le3afs have lost 3 of their last 4, and we just played TB tough. I wouldn't say it is inevitable that we get caved tonight.
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1 minute ago, Doohickie said:
Obvious smoke screen. ?
If this was the WWE he would come out as a surprise with entrance music and the announcers going batty.
Sadly, I think nothing of the sort will occur tonight. ?
2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:I hope there is a morning skate. Would give us a small insight into other possible moves.
I would expect guys like Beaulieu would be extra skaters in anticipation of being in trade discussions. But yes, if any other "odd" lineup moves happen they may be indications of other trade talks.
I love trade deadline day...
Trade: Beaulieu to Winnipeg for 6th rounder
in The Aud Club
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The leverage point here is a good one. Tough to convince other teams that we don't need to trade Beaulieu when we have 9 NHL defensemen on the roster.