Shmuffalo
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8 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
Gentlemen -- I think these posts indicate a black-or-white view of his injury and its effect on other GMs' willingness to acquire him -- i.e. he's either seriously injured or he's not, he'll either regain his prior form or he won't, and he's either worth trading the farm for or he's not -- and I don't think that's the correct perspective here, nor do I think the comparisons to Seth Jones, McCabe, Tuch, etc are relevant. Those guys either weren't injured or aren't being sold off at huge prices.
IMHO, we're in much more of a gray area. The injury is without question a serious matter. I think it's clearly the primary reason he hasn't been traded yet. If he'd played a full season last year and had, say, 25-38-63 in 52 games, does anyone doubt that other teams would've ponied up rich packages to get him?
Even so, I think for many (admittedly not all) GMs, the injury, and now-almost-certain spinal surgery, aren't "NFW are we trading for this guy" barriers. Those GMs are taking a perspective that is more "trading for this guy is risky; there's a decent chance he regains his MVP-contender form but also a decent chance he doesn't -- so I'll take the risk on his contract if our doctors and our owner sign off, but only if the price to acquire him isn't too high." That's why Anaheim isn't delivering Zegras and the Rangers aren't delivering LaFreniere.
For you 2 guys and anyone else who disagrees that the injury is a major factor: if you don't think it's the injury, then why hasn't he been traded yet?
100% percent (that's double percent) plays a factor; Also the prima-donna notion arose rather drastically, as well (not there weren't rumblings of that prior), but far more the former.
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5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Seth Jones and pick 32 were traded for pick 11, Boqvist (a first pairing defensive prospect), a first in 2022, and 2nd rounder.
So if we are talking about Eichel for some unknown first in 2022, a 2nd tier prospect, and a cap dump, we aren't in the ballpark.
Well, one, this is the ice rink, baby. Two... exactly. We know where KA stands, not ... literally. Im not exactly hopeful our return is the exact ask, but thought, other teams would cave first ... this Anti Eichel PR from Flounder and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Donatell[o] is fu--ing weird.
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1 hour ago, Doohickie said:
Not that easy.
It is, just sign his John, er Herby Hancock, waiving Buffalo's liability.
We'll reach 700 in no time.
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16 minutes ago, Weave said:
Lots of legal experts chiming in but none of the actual attorney's on this board have spoken up. Hmmmm....
1. Can't give legal advice; 2. Do not know his contract, insurance status, so what else can I give but hypotheticals; & 3. I'm billing this to Brooskie.
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2 minutes ago, Curt said:
The problem is that I don’t think it works like that. They are still possibly financially liable. If Eichel gets the surgery, recovers, is traded, and then 2 years from now has some catastrophic occurrence as a result of the artificial disk, could he sue the Sabres for approving this surgery that’s never been performed on an NHL player before?
Easy, make him sign a waiver.
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Just now, kas23 said:
All of it is in their self-interest. That said, it’s in their interest to keep Jack happy. So, their interests align, but they probably couldn’t care less what happens to Jack’s neck as long as they get paid.
Right, I just meant Eichel damage control - He's likely pissed his agents let this drag out, or convinced him to sign an 8 year deal vs. bridge, or because he got the silver AMG rather than black....so they're deflecting blame on Buffalo (right or wrong).
I have a headache. Im done.
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15 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:
But wouldn’t they want to wait? So a trade could be worked out if he is ll better?
That's my point; I only set is a hypothetical, but if he gets "his" surgery, the contract becomes voidable ... the question turns to how much time does the team have should the surgery go wrong? Inaction (not immediately terminating the contract after material breach) is often viewed as action (it was a breach, however the team failed to act in "x" amount of time, and it's viewed as permission or barred by some contractual timeline).
I don't know if the Sabres can have their cake and eat it too.
Saying this, I fully expect news to break we acquired Kaapo Kakko and a conditional 3rd for Eichel (Retaining 20% of his Cap) in the coming weeks. (shoot me).
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Just now, Zamboni said:
Someone needs to ask a very well versed lawyer on what the Sabres can and can not do. If Eichel disregards his contractual obligation he signed.
My ignorant guess, is the Sabres can legally fully void his (remaining) contract the day after a player has a surgery without the teams full consent/agreement. They don’t need to “wait and see if the surgery was successful” in order to void the contract.
You misunderstood me, once he goes against the Sabres directive with the surgery, the contract (by all accounts, unless it's the worst written player contract) becomes voidable. However, to preserve an asset, I only posed the question, can the Sabres do a "wait and see approach."
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6 minutes ago, kas23 said:
His agent also runs the risk of being fired if he doesn’t get Jack what Jack wants. Tough position to be in.
Right, I wonder how much is their self-interest damage control, I doubt John's too happy
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28 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:
If Jack chooses his own surgery he probably voids his contract and the agent is SOL
I doubt it immediately voids it, but imagine it becomes voidable (question is when/how much time do the Sabres have to terminate the contract ... I don't know the answer, or if this issue arose, but if they let him play post surgery, it's arguable the Sabres indirectly acquiesced to the surgery). Just an all around sh-t show.
But to your point, from an agent's perspective ('Dolla Dolla Bill, Ya'll') it would sure suck potentially losing a guaranteed percentage of 50 million and likely the client. -
Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:
No they haven't approved surgery. If they had it would have happened already
Speculation, but think it's come to the point, they agree, Johnny needs surgery. Now, which surgery is the issue. From listening to the 31 Thoughts Pod, reading about the surgery... worst case, the artificial disc fails, and he gets the fusion - unless the doctor is full of sh--, it sounds reasonable ( from an insurance standpoint, assuming the contract is insured - it may not sound reasonable).
Basically, I don't know what the hell is going to happen.2 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:I'm pretty sure it was approved wasn't it? The Pegula's wanted the traditional surgery but Jack's Dr. wanted him to get this fusion, Isn't that the case?
The traditional surgery is a fusion; John's doctor wants the artificial disc, and if it should fail, its the fusion. At least from my understanding.
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1 minute ago, Lanny said:
The Sabres allegedly have stated that Jack needs surgery to get healthy.
Issue remains, how are they going about this
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46 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Yes, but why have that issue hanging over KA’s head?
Not to mention, if you're a team like Minnesota or say a low-mid market with assets, your window to nab a true #1 center, locked in for 5 years, is closing. Once the NMC kicks in, John (likely) blocks all trades, aside from Boston or NY. Logically, those teams should jump at this chance... but it's like everyone is taking crazy pills.
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1 hour ago, sabremike said:
Larry Brooks is a ridiculous human herpes sore and that's the nicest thing I'll ever say about him.
Let's cool it on complimenting Bus Stop Brooksie.
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1 hour ago, klos1963 said:
For such an awful team, it really hasn't been boring lately.
I don't know, the weird pissing match (?) between Fish and the Sabres is kind of funny.
41 minutes ago, Ripper said:i agree with the thought that it's time to move on. I'm sure that Eichel's camp is pressuring for that. We could have a very good/better future with those pieces from Anaheim.
I never got the feeling from Eichel's camp he's pressuring anything /s
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Go ahead and have the surgery, and make the contract voidable. John can afford it.
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2 minutes ago, Trettioåtta said:
He is also (generally) one of the more connected insider sources (but only for the Wild). Like Friedman, I mostly take what he says as true until otherwise proven.
I get Rob Rossi and Russo confused, far too often. Apologies to Michael.
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27 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Why should we retain salary? Isn’t his contract pretty fair and will get even better by the fifth year?
I'd eat 2 million for a solid return. In 5 years, the cap "should" go up, believe thats when the COVID CBA protocols drop... plus, face it, we're not contending for a while.
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15 minutes ago, I-90 W said:
I was front row, center ice in the TD Garden once in 2009… right behind the Sabres bench. I’ll never know why, but Lindy Ruff stared at me and gave me the nastiest look. That man is scary. I had my buffaslug hat on and everything.
Do you look like Dmitri Kalinin?
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2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
I played hockey with Dave Andreychuk once. (he was really good.)
Hasek came to my birthday party. I don't know what he gave me, might've been Home Alone 2 on VHS, NOT REWOUND. I was 7, and boy was I was pissed.
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17 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:
What did I miss?
Jack skate with the Maple Leafs today?
[Eichel's] been smooching everybody. Snuffy, Al, Leo... Little Moe with the gimpy leg, Cheeks, Boney Bob... Cliff!
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1 hour ago, pi2000 said:
FWIW one of my sources says he expects something to happen w/ Eichel over the next 48 hours. He's been quiet thus far on the topic, which is why it caught my attention.
That said, I still don't think anything happens until we get closer to mid-August and all the FA dust has settled.
Is nothing something?
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28 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:
Does this thread get to 300 pages before Eichel is traded? Sources say 74.8% yes.
I'd say the is a possibility of 74.8% 🤫
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Michael Peca joining Amerks Coaching Staff
in The Aud Club
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Well hot damn, ready to wear his knockoff Dave and Adams Goat Head jersey they released a couple years ago.