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32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Lol I love it when ppl have bad ideas and then they try to gaslight another group into thinking their bad idea isn't being accepted because of "savvy" or cancel culture or some other bs.
Let's break down why trading for Patrick Kane is a shockingly bad idea.
1) The price of the trade. Chicago traded their first and a top defensive prospect for Seth Jones because their previous GM was not only a scumbag sex abuse cover up artist but also an idiot when it comes to the cap or player eval. That would mean to trade for Kane you are sending out a 1st and a defender at a minimum and probably have to include another pick or prospect to make Chicago happy.
2) The guy is signed for, wait for it, 1 more year. So you trade young assets you will need to be successful for 1 additional year of Kane. Sounds great because there is no way in hell that guy is re-signing with you and even if he does it doesn't negate trading assets for someone that won't make your team good enough to make the playoffs in the next year anyways.
3) I want Kane nowhere near this locker room. There is the cab incident, the lady incident, the sex abuse incident. He's not a leader and his morals are questionable at best.
4) Age. The dude is about to be 33. How does that fit our timeline. He will be 35 by the time this team is competitive and he would require a new contract. Why would he give Buffalo a discount? He doesn't live here and hasn't in his adult life. Sure he came back some summers (see the lady incident) but that doesn't mean he has ties to Buffalo other than those from long ago. So let's say you get him and he puts up a modest 70 points the next 2 years. You think he will sign for cheap because Buffalo? Fat chance, there's nothing in his past to suggest it. Further it would be his last contract most likely and he will want to play somewhere where it will matter.
So to recap. Trading assets for a guy 1 more season away from UFA is a bad idea. Trading assets from a rebuilding team is a bad idea (see 2015), there are some personality questions, who knows what he will want on his next deal, he will be 35 when his next contract comes due.
Cancel culture? Please leave your politics out of here. Looks like I struck a nerve though. You have your coffee yet this morning?
Also I find it amusing that you bring up cancel culture and insist that has nothing to do with your take, and then proceed to mention his scandals (when no one else is) as some of your reasons. You were the first person on this thread to mention the sex abuse scandal. Can’t make this stuff up.
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Well it would be nice to give fans, particularly STH something to root for. Especially now that we have no star power. But the savy answer is no for whatever reason.
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20 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Who?
The guy we traded for Hodgnson. Always like him, very scrappy.
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I think he is being sincere, I still don’t like him, and he’s right, we do.
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I kind of wish he would just embrace the selfish look and play the villain. Think I would respect him more. He could still be just as active with charitable organizations while doing so.
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The big question is, will he be back on the ice by 3/10, and how will he be received? I don’t suspect a warm welcoming, though some type of tribute video to him from the organ-eye-zation before the game wouldn’t surprise me.
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Glad it’s finally over and I am content with the return, all things considered. What I wish for Jack is a healthy and speedy return to the league, but nothing beyond that. I’m not going to pretend that I wish to see him hoist a Stanley Cup like ROR, I do not. My kids are sad he left and I’m also not going to pretend that I don’t resent him for bailing either.
Some have long suspected he was a locker room issue. If we’re being consistent, and he returns to play for Vegas (I hope and suspect he will), that will most likely emerge once again, eventually. We will see.
Also, and this is just a theory, but it would not surprise me one bit if the Pegula’s told KA that they want a clean break after all is said and done, thus no salary retention. It makes sense from a cap and future building perspective obviously, but it is plausible this was personal on some type of level for ownership. It’s healthy that the organization has zero ties to him now cap wise. Time to finally move on, for all of us.
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Lots of SOG, too many for the poor kid to handle.
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5 hours ago, #freejame said:
Can I ask how much time you spend talking to youth baseball players about who their favorite players are or what their favorite moments are? Do you follow JomBoy at all? Buddy Boy and Manfred have done very little to invest in the future of the game. The young guys are doing it for themselves. If baseball is going to be a sport in 100 years, it’s because big ol’ bat flips, pimp jobs, and flashy play.
This is one of the most absurd things I’ve read here in a long time, and that’s saying something. Stick to hockey.
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4 hours ago, #freejame said:
No.
Yes.
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No Zegras, no Jack.
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Just now, Weave said:
Has anyone ever seen Thorny and John posting on here at the same time? Hmmmm......
Exactly.
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He’s probably posting on Sabrespace under his alias, Thorny.
Just a joke 😉
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Cuse’s OL looked much improved. Should be a good game against Rutgers this Saturday.
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Keeping players hungry and only wanting players who want to be here. I’m liking KA more and more every week that goes by.
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1 hour ago, Hoss said:
I’m not talking about Zegras as a prospect. I love Zegras as a prospect and I want him. But he has not PROVEN (that’s the only word I want you to focus on) a damn thing in the NHL. We know nothing about what he is in the NHL yet. You don’t flip your franchise player for a single unproven piece.
How many points does he have to score in his first 24 games if 13 is not enough for you? You are not going to get apples for apples for Jack. You want to get the best piece available, someone that could be a potential 1C. You’re not going to get multiple pieces of his quality. You want quantity apparently, I want quality. I don’t want 2 bottom six players and a couple of draft picks that won’t pan out. Give me an elitish prospect. Here’s the only word I want you to focus on, QUALITY.
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3 minutes ago, Hoss said:
Same. I like what I’ve seen and it gives me hope he’ll be a damn good player.
You’re very stuck on this WJC thing but none of this discussion has anything to do with it. He hasn’t proven anything at the NHL level. There are a number of players I’d trade Eichel for one-for-one but none of them can be called prospects.
You can’t separate Zegras as a prospect and last year’s WJC. Also a 1/4 of an NHL season at a half a PPG is not “nothing”. You are overstating your case because you don’t like my proposal.
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42 minutes ago, Hoss said:
I couldn’t tell you how he has done in the WJC. Very good, I think? He has proven nothing in the NHL, that is what the statement means. He has proven nothing in the NHL, period.
So you participate in discussions and arguments about NHL draft picks in other threads but all of a sudden don’t know what happened in the biggest under 20 tournament in the world nine months ago? Lol not sure if I’m buying that.
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3 minutes ago, Hoss said:
The post you responded to have literally nothing to do with the WJC and I don’t have a weird aversion to it nor have I posted about it frequently. You must be thinking of someone else.
Nope, I have it right. Basing this on other arguments we’ve had about using it as a measuring tool. This is an extension of that. To say that Zegras has “proved nothing” is absurd and betrays your position into a ridiculous one.
13 minutes ago, darksabre said:Very grateful you're not the GM.
k.
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6 minutes ago, Hoss said:
Those are terrible trades. Zegras is definitely of interest but he has proven nothing. He flames out and in two years you’re left with nothing. Same with the other. Easy no.
What is it with you and the WJC? Sure it’s a short tourney but you have a strange aversion towards it. Zegras has proved he is a top prospect and has scored 13 points in his first 24 NHL games. Considering that KA is looking for futures, what would you want instead? A bunch of lottery tickets? To that I say… no.
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12 minutes ago, Hoss said:
No.
Yes.
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On 8/31/2021 at 10:03 AM, LabattBlue said:
Every time I read KA wants 4 or more pieces, it makes me want to bang my head against the wall. If the primary piece is fantastic, would KA say, “yeah, but I still want 5 more pieces”? If KA is really throwing this requirement out there, he is an idiot.
Agreed. I’d take Zegras for Eichel straight up. Or Rossi plus Kahkonen for Eichel.
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Great! Nothing better than Olympic hockey, especially when we actually have our best. Blows the NHL out of the water. Go USMNT! 🇺🇸
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Just now, Thorny said:
I don't really see Adams making a conditional trade. At least not the most significant pieces of the deal.
Trading Jack and tying the return to his health isn't removing our reliance on him at all, in a sense. And KA wants to be free of him
But what’s confusing me is how can he be already traded before the surgery without it being public, what would the reason be if it wasn’t conditional? Unless I’m missing something which is possible.
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The savy thing really bothers you, doesn’t it? These internet GMs sure are sensitive. If the shoe fits..