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Ya. And the first 4 were on Prime. Kinda weird

It’s somewhat satisfying even though they aren’t here that Reinhart and Eichel have proven to be players that elevate in the playoffs, contrary to their Leaf counterparts. Dunno why, considering they aren’t even here, but somehow it is. Equity from previous Sabres vs Leafs debates I guess

Taking about consensus rankings and whether we “reached” is a good way to Bat signal @dudacekif you feel like losing an argument

Love Yellowstone and the spin offs

Diet/exercise?

I don’t really like jackets

Kinda looks like a Rook The Green Jacket, man Also NBA people do say Larry O’Brien a ton

I didn’t even pay attention to the EK stuff haha

More people know what the Cy Young is than the Stanley cup.

This is what people think Hellebuyck will cost. And most of the replies scoff at paying even that

Injury luck will play a big part, to your point. but load management is definitely on the way. No to the extent of the nba I’d say but on the way nonetheless

Could be a disconnect that stems from the fact that, regardless of what the core is perceived to be, our 3 best forwards are assuredly NOT a bunch of kids. Any future projection always seems to involve our “core” (not our current best forwards, for some reason) being melded in to one of the best offenses in the league seamlessly, at some vague point down the line, while said offence waits there, at the top of the league, in a holding pattern. ”this isn’t going to go the way you think!” is a possibility, here

I need to get around to watching the KA presser. He’s a great (I think? Really good?) GM who I absolutely can’t stand to listen to when he talks

Not for nothing there’s been plenty of portents foretelling load management making its way to the nhl

also definitely more famous.

Ya, Briere’s breakaway goal. Magical stuff. I also remember being on a high, going out to a movie or something, and my Dad rather than still being jubilant when I got home, letting me know about Tallinder’s prognosis. 2006 was THE year, ya

When I was in the UK, people didn’t even know who Wayne Gretzky was. FIFA World Cup trophy is definitely more famous, just for one. Stanley is the best, though, imo. You get your name on it On a separate note: a lot of people are saying Bobrovsky wins the Smythe even if they lose in the final. Gotta say, don’t see it

Following up on this: Introducing the new owner and CEO of Sabrespace, @Thorny !

The tone from both, to me, suggests the idea that as long as there is continual improvement the concrete results aren’t of primary importance. “Set the cup as goal, take it day at a time, get better every day”. Results will be the unavoidable, but possibly eventual, result of their growth: not the focus of the game plan. Not “finding a way to win”, but rather, “winning will result naturally from the process.” basically a higher level version of “we just gotta play our game” rather than a tactical breakdown of the field and your opponent, and seeking ways to manipulate it in the shorter term

It’s interesting that he again reiterates the idea that making the playoffs next year isn’t the goal. It’s about getting better every day working your way to a Stanley cup

Ya I mean I said days ago Adams wouldn’t do it. It’s simply what I would do. There isn’t much to talk about tbh if we want to focus only on moves through the prism of Adams’ particular mindset. John does an excellent job keeping the parameters set on that. I agree with him we likely run back what we have in net arm chair GM to me, when I use that phrase, I’m referring to fans managing the roster through the lens of a GM and all that entails: you can see for an example how Adams particular thinking informs your argument, you are literally putting yourself in his shoes and analyzing as if running the team within the context of his plan. When I say I’m not arm-chair GMing, I’m consciously prioritizing my mindset as a fan ie I want to take a run next season, I’m in the business of Moments, I don’t care if I have to give up Östlund the mystery box. To me, GMs, particularly Adams, don’t really think that way he is always speaking to “the long game”, that’s his job as GM I guess, whereas I don’t see “only 1 year” as “only” at all. It’s a year. It’s a season. Don’t know how many I’ll get, don’t want to count chickens before they hatch. Again, I’m placing a lot of value on the coming year. By choice. the entirety of the best team I’ve seen as a fan, the most enjoyment I’ve had as a fan, in a way, the reason I’m even a fan, was a 2 season run from 2005-2007. Thats it. 2 years. And the hope for that again. The Jets run with their vaunted core had *1* standout season. That’s it. You guys are all looking to build a dynasty. A commendable pursuit. But it’s very hard. I see us standing on the precipice of another season/run that gives my fandom meaning: to me, it’s a Hellebuyck away. I can’t be bothered to care too much beyond the recognition I would seize this chance carpe diem

I know it’s not guaranteed. Obviously. But I was using it as an example to illustrate my valuation. It’s not a guarantee we do great, but the uncertainty is equally present on both sides. It’s not certain that Peterka becomes really good, and it’s also not certain we don’t keep Hellebuyck beyond that one year It’s fine if we disagree. I’m definitely trading Östlund for 1 year of Hellebuyck. Full stop. There’s every chance our valuations are way far apart on this. I value next season significantly more in my determinations than you do I’m actively seeking to not arm chair GM, I really don’t care about potentially losing a prospect in the deal, when we have a ton, for a shot at a great season, and especially not the “problems” that arise from “blocking” a prospect goalie with a *proven vezina candidate* (I think saying that’s a block is an oxymoron, tbh), particularly when in today’s NHL you need 2 goalies