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10 hours ago, hockeyhound said:
I know its only one game but, if they keep this up Jack will probably regret putting that C on his chest.
The media and fans will put up with it for a little while but, come November and we have only won a handful of games, Jack might consider wearing a flak jacket and helmet to the pressers.
The one thing the fans will not tolerate is showing up late to the game night in and night out. I don't care if you have to make them all stick their heads in a bucket of smelling salts, provide electric shock therapy, or light fireworks off under the seat of their pants but they need to figure out how it is they're going to start playing hockey in the 1st period.
Making sure this team is prepared to kick azz and take names at the drop of the puck IMO falls on the coach. Get it done Housley.
Let's Go Buffalo!
Exactly, get it done, or Phil is done. I don;t care to give him much more time. There is more talent here than some give credit for. Unfortunately, where we fall short is finding a talented coach.
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10 hours ago, Hoss said:
Housely went to the podium and quickly showed he’s got the same mindset as the fans. Was saying how they are “not going through this again” and they’ve got to “get out of this.”
Phil will get out of this soon. I do expect him to be ####canned before Christmas and rightfully so. Even if your talent is poor, to come out of the gate unprepared, with a complete lack of emotion, in a home opener and have your club look completely disinterested, that's on the coach. I said all along he was the problem and that we'll know it soon enough. Phil is the problem as a head coach. Bring in someone a whole lot tougher on his players. Cannot stand the lack of effort part of this club.
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Hate to say it, but I'm expecting an old fashioned Pitt beat down. 2-4 coming right up under coach Phil, but hey, they only won 1 pre-season game under him last year! So there is improvement. Not sure what to make of this club so far (I know it's early but I just remember the pre-season from last year extending right into the regular season) Hope this is not the case this season. By the way, Lehner seems reborn on the Island! Good for him!
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Well it's a big chance for Phil to start and right the ship. I just want to see stronger efforts from the roster. For some reason, they took a bunch of games off. You could see it. There was just no effort on many a night. I know they may have a talent shortfall but some of the efforts were embarrassing. If Phil gets rid of that next season than maybe he sticks around for a while.
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He went 8. Sergachev went 9.
! We missed out on Sergachev. I do hope Botterill is much much better at drafting. It will take at least a couple seasons but the on ice effort has got to be much better than this season. This team took way too many nights off for whatever reason.
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a couple of pieces? Like Crosby and Malkin?
Im basing the upside that they will get a top 4 pick, most likely the 4th pick (over 50%). That player will be a huge improvement over the guy he replaces on this roster.
remains to be seen. What pick was Alex Nylander? I'm not impressed with him at all. We got the wrong Nylander also.
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I'm sorry but are you joking? "Others teams may just be willing to cough up for a player of Jack's caliber" that sentence implies they also might not. If a 24 year old Eichel hit the market there would be 30 nhl teams calling on him. And buffalo wouldn't have to eat Jack ###### of that contract. That's 2 firsts. Your best prospect and a rostered player.
Basically that's what I'm saying. Don't think because he signed for 8 years he would be staying for the entire duration. If things stay crappy here, he'll want out soon enough and it very well could happen. others seem to believe that just isn't the case. It's my main worry.
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First thing's first: Cut bait
Buy-out Bogosian: This needs to be the first act of contrition. Getting him off the roster. Not that I dislike him as a player, but when you cannot stay on the ice for more than a 10 game stretch and you've had multiple differing injuries it hurts the teams ability to go out and find suitable options with that kind of cap hit. Move on.
Trade or Buy out Pominville: This is a contingency, based on the ability to find a spot for him. I'm "okay" with holding onto his cap for the season as it's in the last year. However, his skating continues to drop steadily. It's time to go younger, and even if that means a learning curve and a slower ability to product points in Baptiste, it's time.
Let Nolan, Gorges, Josefson, Pouliot all walk into free agency. Do not tender Lehner a contract. Move on while it's available with no sentiment or attachment. Lehner showed that he had next to no value at the deadline. So there's not much sense in keeping him around another season.
Move one of Larsson or Girgensons: It's time to move on from one. Pick your preference. Neither is a bad secondary player. However, at this point we know what you are.
Make a hard decision on the leadership group: Ryan O'Reilly, Kyle Okposo. While we're likely stuck with Okposo, O'Reilly will have a ton of value. You cannot really replace his minutes, forward draws and steady consistent two way play. However, at this point there just needs to be a sharp swift decision if he's here long term.
Re-sign: Casey Nelson, RD: This was proof that some players move at a slower pace, and when given opportunity that they can thrive. There still are some things to clear up (more so on the defensive side). However, you saw some glimpses of a top six defensemen in Casey this year. He shouldn't be hard to retain, however retaining him is a key. Don't let a positive go.
I know O'Reilly brings value but I do hate to lose him. Great face off man and it really is an important part of the possession game. (not that the Sabres were any good at that part this past season) but a good face off guy is hard to come by.
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Well Jack is signed for the next 8 years so... can't be to angry
Signed means nothing when his agent approaches the GM and requests a trade. Maybe not in the next year or 2, but if we are still bottom feeders after that, expect to "hear things" and "read things" in the media indicating a Sabre player is making noise that he wants out. Other teams may just be willing to cough up for a player of Jack's calibre. Maybe the Sabres eat a part of the contract to move a disgruntled star. It's happened. Anyhow, I don;t want to see that happen. I want Jack here for some good times and some success. Right now, we are watching a star being wasted.
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I don't think there is any undo pressure on either. Beane just "got them to the playoffs" so he'll have 3 years to get our QB up to speed and build around him.
Botterill has the benefit of finishing last. Literally anything will be an improvement. With pieces like this year's number one and apparently O'Reilly on the block, a 20 point jump in the standings wouldn't be unrealistic.
I hope you're right because that's the standard I am holding JBot to. I want to see at least a 20 point improvement at the very least (unless they go through a rash of injuries that decimates the club) Anything less and I don't think he's the guy either.
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It's time. This team might be the first team i just disengaged from. I felt nothing when they lost. No excitement for Dahlin. No sadness for the loss.
Botterill needs to drop the hammer. Idk on who and frankly I don't care but he needs to burn out the lazy, passengers that infect that locker room.
I think he's made up his mind and his judgements are coming. At least they better be.
Totally agreed. I am still excited about Dahlin as I would really love to see how good this kid is and maybe he rejuvenates Risto who I certainly don't want to give up on yet (although his regression this season really worries me). Other than that, from November on I felt very little regarding this team as I knew it was more of the same by then. Tough past 7 years to be sure.
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I can't remember a time in my years of fandom where the pressure has been higher on both GMs in Buffalo sports.
Agreed. and this upcoming season will test how good they are or aren't. Both clubs need to show improvement or I fear they may be the wrong choices again. I'm not expecting championships right away or even a playoff spot (for the Sabres) but there had better be a remarkable turnaround in effort on most nights for the Sabres and a definite improvement in overall points) The Bills need to make the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may after that.
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I can't say it's the most disappointing team because I saw early on that they were terrible, and I didn't buy what they were selling, the NHL package, for the first time in a decade.
But this is definitely the worst stretch of years by far to be a Sabres fan. The organization is groping around like a blind man in the dark. It pains me to say that this organization does not belong in the National Hockey League anymore.
Why would a team that came in dead last 2 out of the last 4 years (now 3 out of 5) hire a first-time GM and a first-time coach, after taking a chance on a first-time GM , who put the wrecking ball to the organization?
Favoritism, or The bad old boys network: Housley and Botterill were former Sabres...with little to no credentials on their own...It's a convenient thing to fall back on, former Sabres. But look up. How many banners does Buffalo have hanging from the ceiling? The ceiling is virtually empty.
It's a sad organization that was once the little city that almost could. Now it's the little city that gets grinded to a pulp.
Sadly, we have become those early 80's Leaf clubs that we used to make fun of. (and our point totals are close to those clubs too) What bothers me most is that we have a bonafide star in Jack Eichel and 3 years have gone by and not even a sniff of playoffs. His tolerance for this will get even less and eventually he'll want to be moved. You can guarantee it. Kind of like Tavares in Long Island. (you know he wants out of there!) I think with each passing season Jack's frustration gets worse.
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Its all part of the same rebuild. We're still crawling from the wreckage of the first rebuild.
True enough. It's like the rebuild that just won't stop! I really do hope the Hockey Gods finally grant us Dahlin so we can really move forward. It's exhausting being a Sabres fan right now.
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It's going to be a long time before the Sabres see a dollar of mine. It's been a while since they have.
Same here. I really used to look forward to going to games (and that was a long time ago) Now they're an embarrassment and more fans have to vote with their wallets. Not fearing that the team may move if we don't support them. If they continue this #### why would I want to spend hard earned money on them and why would I care if they did move? May as well give my cash to a charity.
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So, who are the Sabres taking 4th in the 2018 NHL Draft?
True enough (and I am sort of expecting this to happen) Everyone here is basing the upside to the fact we actually get Dahlin. What if we don't? Who do we take then and how much more does this set back another rebuild?
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How many times did Quenneville flame out in the first round before he suddenly found himself in charge of a team of all-stars?
I want to find coaches who know how to do more with less.
Some would argue they became All Stars under coach Quenneville's coaching! He won Cups with Anti ######## Niemi as a starter and Corey Crawford (over rated in my opinion) I'll still take him over Phil or Dan or Ron. Quenneville sits in press boxes. Didn't see that with Phil (especially when it came to Kyle, ROR, Reinhart Kane etc. He sat some of our lesser players but not nearly enough, and there were many nights this season that this club went out on the ice and went through the motions. You don't tolerate that as a coach without repercussions and we saw it several times this year.
So if Housley is bad, how did Reinhart get better? Or Nelson?
What's strange about Reinhart is that he started to show something when Jack was out of the lineup, but regressed once Jack was back. Not sure why that is. Jack is Jack and is the sole true talent on this club and he's being wasted so far which is the real shame in all of this. I can't imagine how terrific Jack would be under a decent coach!
very good point...Q is great when the team is great. You are absolutely correct by saying this team desperately needs someone like babs that gets a lot of mileage out of his players.babs got the same results in detroit as he is getting now...he gets every player to play to their potential. We by comparison have a bunch of guys playing way below their potential and/or are not being used properly. the strength of a good coach is using players to their strengths and not asking them to do something they are not capable of.
So we're in agreement then that Phil isn't that guy?
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So you don't remember those years then? Because they were usually out by Thanksgiving/Christmas and then the second half of the season was all about a desperate push for 8th place. And end of season momentum that never carried over to next season. We hated those teams for a reason.
The years between Black Sunday and the Tank were all trash except for Myers' rookie season. We didn't lose anything when we blew that team up.
the sad part being, we have yet to see an improvement on those Sabre clubs of which you speak. That is what is truly disheartening.
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As I added, yeah, this is much better knowing they are out by thanksgiving then atleast being able to watch meaningful games into the new year..........
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This team would be in the playoffs with Hasek.
He was that good.
Absolutely, it is why those "successful" Sabre clubs got anywhere. He allowed them to over achieve. He was the best I have ever seen in a Sabres uniform or as a goaltender period.
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Because we loved the teams before that. :doh:
I enjoyed the Ted Nolan coached team (the year he won Coach of the Year and Hasek won MVP) They were short on talent (Hasek aside) but they played hard and were entertaining. (and tough) The 1999 team was terrific as well as the other Drury/Briere clubs. The past 7 seasons I have hated this team and on some of the nights, the complete lack of effort they display is disturbing. Can't really see this team even contending for a playoff spot for another 2, most likely 3 years. They are really going to have to turn over this roster.
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The league has those rules to reward smaller teams like those you listed. It's very simple: draft well
Exactly, and employ those that know how to do so!
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Housley isn't getting fired guys. Anyone who thinks so better not hold their breath.
and this club won't be improving under his tutelage. Anyone who thinks so better not hold their breath.
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Unless we have reason to suspect that we can get Quenneville in here, no reason to cut Housley loose yet.
But that can change very quickly next season.
I was first on Bylsma's ass at I believe game 7 of his second year. If y'all were annoyed by that and we start out next season poorly again, you'd better brace yourselves :devil:
I would love if Joel entertained the idea of coaching this club "as a challenge" to see if he can turn around their fortunes. In fact I would be over the top happy if we could land Quenneville. His time has expired in Chicago (as it does with all coaches sooner or later)
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Housley gets fired next year early
Here's hoping! Let's face it, this team is still going to suck next year. Rasmus Dahlin will not be the answer so early on in his career (should we be so lucky to even get him- I'm betting we lose out on him) This club is a good 2 to 3 years (most likely) away from contending for a playoff spot and with another brutal start next season, Phil will be toast before Christmas.
Gut feeling, I don't think Housley returns next year.
Wouldn't bother me in the least if they cut him loose right after the end of this season. I had high hopes for him when he came in but I have seen nothing of this club as the season progressed to show me he deserves more of a chance.
GDT: Bruins at Sabres. Oct 4 7PM
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Done like dinner. Feel free to call me out if I am wrong on this. Phil is not the right coach.