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To be honest besides Lindstrom and Iginla, I’d want a player now that good.
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2 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:
And another thing... There's no shortage of players around the league that hate Toronto as much as some of us do. It's a real thing... Join the team!
https://torontosun.com/2014/07/01/josh-gorges-trade-the-ultimate-insult-to-maple-leafs
PS- this Toronto sportswriter called Buffalo the "armpit" of America. As someone who lives about halfway between the two I can confirm the body odour is not coming from the Queen City, but rather from the other side.
A lot of the hate we have for the Leafs stems from stuff like this that aren’t even on the ice.
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Anyone see the clip bouncing around Twitter saying that Toronto sees the Core 4 as gods?
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51 minutes ago, Thorny said:
I wonder what a deal for 1st overall would yield in a trade? Don’t see it often if ever
maybe a trade down has happened
I don't see one trade out of #1 since 1999 with the whole Sedin twins fenagle
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7 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Berube to NJ or Toronto?
Well Green helps us theoretically by hurting Ottawa. I was worried they might hire a better coach
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7 minutes ago, Thorny said:
This is such an inane post.
“Supposedly” a fan of. Could have just stopped there, tbh. Ok, I’m not a fan. Join the dudacek club of fans rankings
“In order to spite the fans”. That’s not what it’s about, at all. It’s like you haven’t followed my position on it since the beginning. Jack was my favourite player. Yes there’s a level of vindication relative to my feelings on how bad the organization wasted the asset, but joy I get from his success relative to the disappointment in sabres fans it cause only applies to yokels like you who’ve been quoting me endlessly since the deal with endless conflations of what I’m actually saying. People like you and a select few others who were wishing injury and poor fortune on him. Those tar and feathering his character on his way out. I always had an issue with that and always framed my position in this way.
Seeing as your the one who endlessly has a fit when I have anything to say negatively about Eichel or Vegas; I'm not entirely sure how I'm to blame.
Eichel was my favorite player when he was here, I went to bat for him with my family over him and was disappointed in the team results we achieved. But when he asked for a trade he became a traitor to me and thus family members felt vindicated by their misgivings being correct in some regards.
I am first and foremost a fan of the Buffalo Sabres; which means depending on how you went about your departure matters greatly to my continued interest. Reinhart got strung along yet still didn't take it out against the team or city. Thus far Mitts has done much of the same. As such my only hang up is wanting them not to score against us in matchups. Eichel on the other hand demanded his way out, and then later went after the fans which is an immediate trigger-point. Had he been merely traded away without requesting it; he'd still be one of my favorites. It all comes down to the how.
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11 minutes ago, Thorny said:
And I’m sorry, if you want my heart of hearts truth: I don’t have disdain for your position I find it humorous.
Jack won. it’s over. You lost. There’s no taking that Cup away and he led the playoffs in scoring to do it
The more you post about your hatred for him the better - I fought that war for so long and the vindication is ever so sweet
You've got some messed up priorities then my friend. Cheering for a player who asked to leave the team you are supposedly a fan of to succeed in order to spite fans of the team you supposedly are a fan of is screwed up in so many ways.
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4 minutes ago, RochesterExpat said:
I’m sure this will be received well, but in a hypothetical Leafs rebuild where NMCs get freely waived (which is what the Make Believe fan base seems to expect), would you consider trading for Tavares as a 3C?
Tavares is overpaid at a cap hit of $11m for one more year. Since few—if any—teams can afford to eat that outright, a 25% retention is probably the starting point. That lowers his hit to $8.25m for the 24-25. Buffalo is able to accommodate that, but that’s probably the starting point for Buffalo to consider and I think it could/should go lower.
His last three seasons:
2021-2022: 79 GP, 27G 49A 76P
2022-2023: 80 GP, 36G 44A 80P
2023-2024: 80 GP, 29G 36A 65P
He turns 34 at the start of the season and Tavares will essentially be a cap dump by Toronto. His acquisition cost should be minimal. Leafs fans will probably celebrate a bag of pucks going their way because, at least in part, the Toronto media likes to scapegoat him for the Leafs playoff exits. His contract is the problem—not the player. He is still a productive center with 1,109 regular season NHL games under his belt.
The big downside to signing him is that he is not a long-term solution. He would be in Buffalo for one season. A younger player with term is ideal, but I don’t know how aggressive Buffalo will be in pursuing such a player. It’s also nigh impossible to really know who is available for trade at reasonable values. History tells us time and time again that players signed in free agency are overpaid.
Buffalo has a need for a 3C. Tavares can also be a scoring winger in the Top 6 if we need him to fill that role due to an injury. He is elite at faceoffs and is a still a threat on the power play. He is more physical than Bertuzzi and Domi—all while taking far fewer penalties. He’s got the NHL experience. He has leadership experience. Contrary to what Toronto fans will tell you, there is a lot to like with Tavares. It’s the albatross of an $11m cap hit that makes him difficult to like.
Would you be willing to trade a prospect like Rosen and a 4th round pick to Toronto for Tavares at 25% and send a 3rd to Anaheim to retain an additional 25% (lowering his cap hit to $6.25m for one year)? We have the assets and this is one player that I don’t think will cost an arm and a leg to acquire because Toronto media is trying to run him and Marner out of town.
No, I'll give them a 4th for him at 50% but I'm not giving them anything to help them clear cap.
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35 minutes ago, Thorny said:
What about if the Amerks win the Calder cup this season? Does that shift the narrative of Adams’ performance in 23-24?
If anything it creates a general hope for the future but doesn't excuse his inability to make the Sabres better in the mean time.
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23 minutes ago, Thorny said:
What are you even talking about? It’s not a surprise, at all, that a non-healthy Stone would decline game 82 of the regular season and suck it up for a playoff game. Use your noggin
Occam’s razor just once
Teams have been doing the LTIR then back for playoffs thing for ages. Tampa did it. Your issue is with the league, not the teams
Vegas just burns more (by the way, you should get that checked out) because of how much Eichel lives in your head rent free. You can admit that, right?
They aren’t sitting a healthy stone out to expose and take advantage of a loophole: that’s a conspiracy theory. They are utilizing an arguably unfair rule because they have a legitimate injury
Am I not surprised he chose to play Playoffs Game 1 over Game 82, not in the slightest. I have issues with reports of his return not appearing until after Game 82. It feels contrived to think it just kind of magically happened that after the season ended he was suddenly healthy enough to play after radio silence for nearly 2 months.
Occam's razor would say something smells funny about a player who seems to leave for indefinite periods prior to the deadline only to comeback each time at Game 1's timing. It just feels fishy for it to happen three consecutive years prior to the deadline. Especially this year since he had no other injuries the entire season. I'm not saying he didn't get hurt; I'm saying that the timings of his returns are overly suspicious.
21-22
Feb. 9, 2022 - Mark Stone has an injury to his back. The expected duration is unknown.
March 21st - Deadline Day
Apr. 11, 2022 - Mark Stone's undisclosed injury status has been updated. The expected duration is game-time decision.
Apr. 12, 2022 - Mark Stone is cleared to play.
Missed Playoffs
22-23
Feb. 1, 2023 - Mark Stone's back injury status has been updated. The expected duration is indefinite.
March 3rd - Deadline Day
Apr. 15, 2023 - Mark Stone's back injury status has been updated. The expected duration is day to day.
Apr. 17, 2023 - Mark Stone is cleared to play.
Won Stanley Cup
23-24
Feb. 21, 2024 - Mark Stone has an injury to his upper body. The expected duration is week to week. (Interesting since the NHL stated indefinite)
March 8th - Deadline Day
Apr. 22, 2024 - Mark Stone is cleared to play.
Lost in 1st Round
LTIR was done differently by Chicago
Chicago lost Kane for 21 games in 14-15 and used the LTIR saving of 6.3mil to acquire Kimmo Timonen (2mil) and Antoine Vermette (3.75mil)
Tampa's LTIR abuse was effectively 1 year 20-21
Vegas has done it 3 years straight and seem poised to do so for the foreseeable future
But yes, I am angry with the league as a whole.
I have to admit, I get a kick out of your dogged disdain for my dislike of Vegas and/or Eichel. This isn't the Vegas boards; I have zero requirements to like Vegas in any manner. Until we make the playoffs Eichel will annoy me in some manner solely because he asked to leave. I couldn't care less if his reasoning may have been legitimate; I'm a fan of the Sabres and he asked to leave my favorite team.
No, I'd almost guarantee that Stone sat out longer than he technically had to; otherwise he has the most unusual body as he can heal exactly at the right time to play in the playoffs. If there wasn't a cap compliance issue, I'd imagine he'd of been back sooner. Effectively I can't see the doctor's signing off on his play exactly after Game 82; odds would dictate otherwise. They very likely delayed getting the clearance at very least.
1 hour ago, Thorny said:“Destruction of traditional team building principles.”
lol ok Kevyn
Kevyn is overly dogmatic on this; I'm just meaning in general. The vast majority of teams are built primarily through the draft with a combo of trades and signings to bolster the ranks. While not steadfast in all their loyalties; most teams will hang onto fan favorite long time players beyond their expiration date for better or worse. Vegas gives no credence to friendships or loyalty and is thoroughly ruthless with roster moves. While impressive, it aligns too much with eventually causing mercenary teams with no steady roster being a norm.
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13 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
If Toronto feels desperate enough, there will be plenty of bidders offering much better packages than Skinner and his albatross contract, and most-to-all of those will be much more attractive destinations than the Sabres are from Marner's perspective.
Don't kid yourself.
We have the location advantage and if Marner won't waive for anywhere else it doesn't matter about the market. Remember the Leafs GM traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar
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4 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
I think the first sign that Ruff is driving roster tweaks is when someone like Byram, Tuch or even Krebs gets traded. As was said above, Kevyn gets too attached to his guys and I think doubly so for players he acquired via trade. If Byram is traded for more of a hard-nosed defenseman with Top Four bona fides, that will be a sign that Lindy is calling (or at least influencing) the shots.
If $6.25 million x 7 would have signed Mitts, I think you make that deal all day.
I don't think Tuch even has an inkling of a chance of getting traded.
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1 minute ago, Doohickie said:
I think Mitts will command more than that, but we'll see.
My guess is still 7x7mil since I do think the Sabres keep him if they could have got him a 6mil or less.
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36 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:
Yeah but at least now it's not multiple cups. That's wishful thinking considering Tavares would have been the leading scorer on our team but I agree perhaps we'll get lucky for once.
Sadly just found out Tavares can't get bought out because he'd be a 10.5mil dead cap
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18 hours ago, nfreeman said:
Certainly no one here would say no, but I think there is zero possibility that Toronto says yes. Also, IMHO it's the kind of offer no NHL GM would make as it would make him sound silly.
The one thing that could make it work is if Toronto feels desperate to make a change.
Marner has a full NMC and a buyout leaves them with a 10.5 mil dead cap next year. A large number of teams would want assurances of an extension and/or need Toronto to retain half. All of which is mute if Marner, or rather his father, plays hard ball since he's from Toronto. Without much effort, Marner can effectively screw the Leafs by rejecting any trade and just walking to UFA at next year's end. It's that sort of power that could create a scenario in which he accepts 1 year in Buffalo and Toronto acquires Skinner to fill the hole and "save face."
One additional note, they won't be buying out Tavares either for the same reason.
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3 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:
And a runner up is Jack Eichel smug face elimination day!
Eh, I’m certainly not sad but it doesn’t have much baring since he’s already won a Cup.
Perhaps we’ll get lucky and Tavares will get bought out and sign a cheap deal here to be our 3C for a year or two and want vengeance on his hometown team. 🙂
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37 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
The thing for me is it was 2 years in a row. They got their cup and then the audacity to do it again and so blatantly just made me hate them a lot. I'm over the Eichel hate. If he hadn't won a cup I'd want him never to win one but he already did so like ROR it's over. For me anyway.
Not quite over my hatred on Eichel for being a traitor but is no longer quite as a burning sensation. As Perrault said though, it’s the 3 straight years of him getting hurt within a week of each other just prior to the deadline only to return for Game 1. The first time they missed the playoffs entirely but seemed to find a trick to it because they’ve repeated twice since.
40 minutes ago, Thorny said:He wasn’t very good in the series and was clearly not 100%. Keep being big mad
If he’s still in rough shape, don’t play him. If he’s healthy enough to play game 1 and score the opening goal then I think it’s pretty safe to assume he could play Game 82 only 3 days or so prior. I don’t get the whole big mad comment; this is a Sabres forum not somewhere I should feel the need to respect a team that doesn’t just exploit loopholes but likely does unspeakable acts to loopholes. It wouldn’t matter if Eichel weren’t on the Golden Knights; I’d still loathe their abuse of the rules as well as their destruction of traditional team building principles
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
Apparently that’s about it, any sort of actual success would be setting up for disappointment
I'd like us to be a winner too but the Leafs failure is certainly a nice dose of happiness in this trying time.
Happy the cap cheaters in Vegas lost. Honestly, I honestly can say I hated what they did this year almost more than Eichel winning the Cup in large part due to how Stone miraculously recovered from it exactly on time. I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing he had a lacerated spleen in late February and could play a high contact sport by mid-April with doctor's approval. He had 61 days of recover which while is with the 3-12 week recovery time, about 8 weeks; seems highly suspicious he was magically healed exactly after the LTIR issues were no longer a concern. Either they purposely misled people claiming he was done for the season as was reported by the NHL or they held him out of play multiple to avoid the cap compliance issues. Especially since he did this exact same thing the previous two years. Fans around the league deserve an explanation to Stone's uncanny injuries or the LTIR loophole must be limited or eliminated in its entirety.
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2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
So just like the NHL playoffs vs. regular season right?
You see where I'm going with this? The one constant I've always had on this board is I want the Sabres to build a team properly. A team that is built for the playoffs and not just the regular season. After over a decade of no playoffs I do not want another decade of Leaf style exits after it (if and when it finally ends).
Teaching our kids how to play that type of hockey and how to battle through it should be part of the learning process and veterans on Rochester should be there to help them through it.
I both agree and disagree; it is certainly similar to the NHL's playoff lack of penalties but it feels as if it takes a whole further level in what is effectively thuggery on the ice. The typical AHL hockey is somewhat akin to NHL playoffs relatively due to the refs not being as competent as a baseline but also a degree of leeway is given due to the lesser players.
Essentially the best way to describe it would
NHL Regular Season: Touch his hands with your stick and its a penalty when seen frequently in most cases
NHL Playoffs/AHL Reg: Touch his hands with your stick while in a scoring situation (like on a scoring chance) and its a penalty when seen usually
AHL Playoffs: You likely can practically hook the opposing player's shirt off and it can be seen but still not called.
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Quite honestly the Amerks are an oddity in the AHL since they are very much akin to what the AHL is supposed to be, a developmental league. A lot of youngsters (19 to 26) with NHL aspirations and a few vets to shepherd them along. During the regular season it works for the most part because player are constantly getting sent down/called up and thus keeps teams developing primarily.
The AHL playoffs are a different animal altogether. Whereas the NHL becomes less likely to make calls than usual but still generally resembles normal NHL play. The AHL playoffs turn into a no holds bar cage match and the Amerks aren’t exactly equipped to dominate a competition where skills mean less than how good you might be at playing dirty. This series has been much like the Bears series last year. A team of career AHLers and tweeners with a couple youngsters versus Rochester’s team of youngsters led by a few career AHLers and tweeners. As such they get bullied year round but whereas in the regular season they can use their speed and skill as well as PP to fight back; the playoffs practically let teams wrestle which is both absurd and unfair to the Amerks and multiple similar teams. A fast player can’t skate away if the opposing player can trip him without penalty. It’s why teams like the Hershey Bears are always near the top of the league; half of them are lifers that know this is their Stanley Cup and the other half are either being called up or developed for a future call up. When their NHL teams are eliminated, suddenly their teams play max experience allowed and while typically less refined in skill have a lot of pent up anger at the youngsters on the opposing side. Add to that refs that pretend to be blind and you get the Amerks struggles because they are more rule abiding and meant for the NHL versus pure AHL success.
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1 hour ago, Second Line Center said:
Lindholm was awesome.
Dahlin makes that play a lot to you could see it coming as soon as Pasta took off.
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4 hours ago, steveoath said:
Friedman reckons he could be a buyout candidate
Frankly the guy doesn't belong in the league with his attitude
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15 hours ago, Thorny said:
😭😭😭
There’s no more hope
Pack it up. It’s all over
I wouldn't, to me a guy like Savoie isn't available for a 1 year rental. I'd trade lesser 1st round prospects but not Savoie in this case specifically.
Additionally I'm not an Ehlers fan to be perfectly honest; he's hurt and or ineffective for long stretches and wouldn't bring any new element to the roster.
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1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:
I don't attend them since I live in BC. I almost went to the Seattle game this year but it didn't time out well. Won't pay for Canucks prices until Sabres get better.
My hatred for the Leafs is a Hamilton-Toronto thing that started way back in my youth over 50 years ago.
I understand Sabres fans hate for Boston (although their fans now say what you say about the Leafs as in Bruins have kicked their ass for over a decade so they don't care about them). Flyers? Cup final? That's a long time ago so I've let that one go myself. You should probably hate Carolina and Dallas more.
Why not Rags and Islanders hate being in the same state and all?
idk if I lived in Buffalo I think I would hate the Leafs and the Habs the most. Mostly because of all those coming over and overrunning those "home" games. That just embarrasses the entire franchise imo.
Boston hatred comes from a myriad of things as well as being in our division forever. The Patriots hate also festered the disdain.
Philly hate originally came from the Cup Finals in 1975 but was reignited in the late 90's when we met them in the playoffs and then ran into them over and over again after; including our most recent one.
Toronto hate tends to be from two primary factors, distance and their fans. Toronto fans have frequently taken over our seats due to the ever famous example of fans paying off their seasons with the selling of both Leafs game. Which obviously means Sabres fans are gouging Leafs fans and also showing a certain degree of the wealth disparity between the two cities. The fans that don't sell are made aggravated by their presence because unlike the vast majority of away fans; Leaf fans inhabit a very particular type which tends to be loud, proud and arrogant. I have always described them as Patriots fans without anything to back up their claims. Although the Sabres have beaten up Toronto far more often; their fans always return and claim superiority regardless of circumstances. They also have the habit of stark mood swings depending on results that make any other fanbase look tame and in control. Plus they deem themselves the Hockey Mecca of the world and the media seems to reinforce it quite often.
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Frankly I don’t see a scenario where trading Dahlin helps this team in the slightest. I’m certainly not moving him for lesser pieces and McDavid isn’t walking through the turnstile.