SarasotaSabre
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BuffainATL... hows Atlanta? MY gf says that the roads are all gridlocked and shes stuck at work.
Also Callahan as a UFA would be very interesting if we could acquire him.
pretty funny here - less than 2-3" and it's armageddon here; it takes forever to get ANYWHERE and the grocery stores are emptied for bread & milk. Schools get closed as this area is woefully underprepared.
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true, but this the first published rumor of the Rangers expressing doubts about getting him extended - just putting it out there
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Rochester native in wearing the blue & gold - what say you ?
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Enroth needs to come up with a big save or three, or steal a game better yet, before he complains it's tough to win with this team
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I love Girgs but God almighty, his breakaways have been painful to watch.. Gets himself in waaaay too tight
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or his now-famous "acrost" ......
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I find it very interesting that the highest % of responses for each question are in the middle of the road/neutral category; that tells me that the majority of voters really don't have a strong opinion either way?
How could you not with this giant **** sandwich we are being offered? Seriously ...
My biggest beefs with him are 1) poor/ineffective player/line management, with the Grigo scenario being the most egregious. THis alone could be a fireable offense.....and 2) a clear regression from last year's post-Ruff quasi-righting of the ship.
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I pretty much believe the complete opposite of this.
When it comes down to it,... when you really think about it, Walt killed a guy with a bike lock and sells Meth, a drug that decimates it's users and the people around them. Do I really give a squirt whether or not he's complex. He's a piece of ##it!
wow, holy oversimplification Batman - sounds like you think this show is nothing more than a storyline about an evil drug.
To the part that is bolded, is that what you really think this show is all about? I almost feel sorry for you in that this show is about way more than this.
I am NOT trying to glorify Walt or the illicit drug trade - but if you have such a problem with him being a piece of ##it (...how eloquent...))), then why, may I ask, do you even bother watching?
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I'm confused. Most of that is just rehashing that Walt has a slow burning character arc. Just because a character is well defined and has had a complex path does not mean the character is complex.
yes, it does appear you are confused - I thought I laid it out with a lot of detail. You and I clearly have different opinions on what "character" means.
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Adapting and manipulating every situation and person is what Walt does. It's ALL he does. But he's not complex.
He's a guy who initially wanted to do something bad for a good reason. Then he did a little more bad. Then a little more. Because there was a lot of "bad" to him all along and he gave into it over the course of about three seasons and has pretty much been a monster since the end of S3.
It's a masterful performance by Cranston but the character isn't very complex. He's not struggling with who he is or what he should be doing. He used to do some mental gymnastics to justify everything, but that stopped a couple seasons ago.
Breaking Bad is a study in the banality of evil -- how once you knowingly do the wrong thing, it becomes easier and easier to move in that direction. And where that eventually gets you. The book (and movie) A Simple Plan covers this amazingly well too. It's a man sliding into hell and justifying it as he goes.
I respectfully say that we agree to disagree. I cannot believe on any intellectual level that someone (....in this case, you & drk4sabre) would have zero appreciation for Walt's complexity. Again, a gross oversimplication of him as merely a drug lord who knows to justify his evil choices. You see to portray him as a Tony Montana; in this vein it is very easy to see why Scarface was a 170 minute movie, while BB is a multi-year, layered drama.
Let me try to prove my point further with some examples:
A person with no complexity, as you put it, would be devoid of:
- extreme ego, hubris, arrogance & invulnerability/invincibility; witness his behavior after disposing of Gus Fring;
- Walt's evolving relationship with Jesse; part business-only, part paternalistic, part distrust/disregard for Jesse as a drug user himself
- any ability to concoct schemes to absolve himself of any involvement in the high-grade meth racket...i.e., Walt calling Hank to falsely tell him Marie has been involved in a serious car accident;
- the extreme guilt of being partially responsible for Jane's death and that impact on her father as an air traffic controller who caused a plane crash as a result;
- Walt demonstrates an underlying humanity even when making the most devious, most terrible decisions -
- It is clear from the progression of the series that WW goes from being a protagonist to an antagonist; you don't pull this off by not having a complexity of character
I will close with this:
"Walter is almost as good at self-justification as he is at cooking meth, and over the course of the series, he has not hesitated to give high-minded reasons for his lowest actions. In his own mind, he remains a righteous figure, an apostle of family values, free enterprise and scientific progress."
The last bolded line is entirely indicative of a deep, complex mind.......
My reponse to your post is not a tit-for-tat, right vs. wrong argument; I am just respectfully disagreeing with your assessment.
- extreme ego, hubris, arrogance & invulnerability/invincibility; witness his behavior after disposing of Gus Fring;
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One's true character is shown when tested through adversity, not when things are easy. Luckily for us, we get to see 5 seasons of watching Walt fail that test.
I also just want to say that I hate all of you. I have so much other stuff that I have to do (too much to list, but finishing the Sabres/Billy Joel song among it), but because of this thread, I have just finished season 1.
By character it would seem as if you are defining the word as the positive traits of a person's being; note, when I used the term "evolution and depth of character (good, bad, or indifferent), I was referring to entire sum of a character's metamorphosis over time - defined by personality and actions.
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see my last response.....posted again here:
then you don't see Walt's inner workings and how he adapts & manipulates every situation & person . If you don't see his evolution and depth of character (good, bad, or indifferent), then I feel you are really missing a golden opportunity.
To not see the evil genius & complexities of Walt, and to oversimplify him strictly as a drug lord, is a missed critique. But this is my opinion and you have yours. I think Vince Gilligan has enough respect for his audience for most of us to know this was
NOTonly about creating financial opportunity for his family. If true that story line would have lasted 6 episodes. If you really think hard about Walt (and other characters, for that matter), the beauty of this show is that Gilligan wants the audience to dissect for itself the myriad of possibilities for the characters & storylines as a matter of personal interpretation.
correction, inserted and bolded above
correction, inserted and bolded above
and here.....
I think Vince Gilligan has enough respect for his audience for most of us to know this was NOT only about creating financial opportunity for his family. If true that story line would have lasted 6 episodes
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Walt isn't complex. He's a drug lord. The point of the whole thing is to show how deep one person can fall into a role. The best laid plans of mice and men, right?
We were supposed to believe that he was doing this for his family, for a good reason. But we know he isn't, and maybe he never was. As others have theorized, this whole show could well have been a selfish exercise in wanting to feel important.
I don't think he was ever complex. We were just supposed to like him enough to believe that he was.
see my last response.....posted again here:
then you don't see Walt's inner workings and how he adapts & manipulates every situation & person . If you don't see his evolution and depth of character (good, bad, or indifferent), then I feel you are really missing a golden opportunity.
To not see the evil genius & complexities of Walt, and to oversimplify him strictly as a drug lord, is a missed critique. But this is my opinion and you have yours. I think Vince Gilligan has enough respect for his audience for most of us to know this was only about creating financial opportunity for his family. If true that story line would have lasted 6 episodes. If you really think hard about Walt (and other characters, for that matter), the beauty of this show is that Gilligan wants the audience to dissect for itself the myriad of possibilities for the characters & storylines as a matter of personal interpretation.
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I actually don't think Walt is all that complex. He's morphed into a monster over the course of the show and his decisions have hurt/killed everyone he's come in contact with.
The plot is complex. Walt isn't.
then you don't see Walt's inner workings and how he adapts & manipulates every situation & person . If you don't see his evolution and depth of character (good, bad, or indifferent), then I feel you are really missing a golden opportunity
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Haha actually that's really what you're supposed to think about him. Sorta like how you're not really supposed to like Don Draper in Mad Men either. Remember, he's just some a-hole drug dealer when it comes down to it.
If this is really your opinion then you are incredibly myopic and don't see the complexity of Walt.....but maybe you are just being sarcastic ??
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I arrive late to some parties, it seems.
Two years ago, my kids gave me the complete "The Sopranos" collection. I devoured it.
I am now half way through "Game of Thrones". A colleague loaned it to me. I'm hooked.
I have put off "Breaking Bad", in large part because my kids call me Heisenberg. When I ask if that's good or bad, they say "you'll see".
Soon, very soon ...
To be called Heisenberg by one's children is a badge of honor, IMO ......he is the king
To be called Heisenberg by one's children is a badge of honor, IMO ......he is the king
**just note my screen profile photo
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You very obviously invited whatever ###### you get with the word "follies."
Anyway. I'm reading Erik Larsson's (The Devil in the White City) latest, which is a chronicle of the US ambassador to Germany in Hitler's early days. Apparently, his daughter had quite the dating life--and so far, one date with Hitler. Interesting. Amazing that this doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Larsson really does write nonfiction very, very well, but I liked Devil in the White City and Thunderstruck (juxtaposing a murder suspect chase against the development of radio that assisted said chase) much better. I like the way he weaves two stories together; he's not doing that in his latest one.
Umberto Eco's The Prague Cemetery is getting so slow in the middle that I cannot pick it up.
I need some good literary fiction on deck! Help!
I very obviously did not intend to provoke any negative responses with my choice to insert the word "follies" into my description of the book I am reading. I can't prevent your interpretation as such. I was merely trying to convey the context of the book's content, but in hindsight I can say that context is easily explained only by the title w/out the need for me to add any descriptions.
Anyway, have a great day .....
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Currently knee-deep in "The Amateur" by Edward Klein, a compelling & well-researched description of the follies of our current President. The title says it all & I don't need to go much further to describe it, as the title is very apropos & concise.
I am sure I will get some challenging responses from certain members of this board; I just posted my honest answer which the OP asked and am leaving it at that.
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and Lindys system will stifle him
with all due respect, I am starting more & more to think that is opinion has become one of the most overused cliches on this board ........
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Currently reading "Voices from the Grave: Two Men's War in Ireland " by Ed Moloney....a very interesting narrative of "the Troubles" as told by opposing protagonists from each side - the IRA & the Unionist paramilitaries.
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Amazon mp3 (and most things Amazon really...Amazon prime, used textbooks, etc.)
Multi-monitor setups for any significant computer work
Wegmans' beer selection
Bluetooth-enabled car stereos
Citizen eco-drive watches
Coffee
Holy crap! You should think you're using a super computer with your new system.
are you really a PhD ? .... just curious
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Costco
Costco's return policy - awesome
CNET.com
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worst, most irrelevant topic on a hockey board - ever
Who cares what lame tune you can't get out of your head??
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this thread has my vote for one of the lamest, if not the lamest, of all time; on a hockey board to boot...... :thumbdown:
Ryan Callahan - person of interest
in The Aud Club
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well I linked to a substantiated source, so take that ..... :w00t:
amen brother...that's why I worked from home today; too many idiots on the road