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1 minute ago, pi2000 said:
There are always GMs out there who think they can "fix" a player... somebody will bite, Risto is still relatively young and he's been on bad teams.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Might it at least be wiser to see if this new Coach has some answers and worst case trade him when return would be better given at this point his status considered trash . Just my opinion but Risto in a role with more realistic expectations can be a good player. He only 24 . It is said players at his position mature-the latest. Wise to let coach have a shot at that then a nothing return
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Assuming other GM’s are not drunk or on drugs and as so many say Risto sucks . What would he return in a trade ?
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17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
ROR is not an example. ROR was good while he was here and good after he left. Risto has been bad, mediocre, and meh.
My point was yes O’Reiily was good but expected to be Jack and many disappointed he wasn’t. Role he has now he part of the team not The team. Jack a elite player . Ryan a good player . Good players can produce great results . Give Risto a more suitable role without the unreal expectations and just maybe a good player will reap similar great results
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On 4/30/2019 at 8:11 PM, Taro T said:
Really hoping we get to see Ristolainen in a role we've never seen him in before - that of 2RD. We know he runs out of gas as the 1RD, but he's never been a 2 for any appreciable spell. And now that Montour is here, he can slide down 1 rung. Not saying Montour's an ideal 1, but he's better than Risto & the D shouldbe better than last year by virtue of him, Dahlin being a year older, & presumably having a better scheme.
We've suffered through Risto's being overly depended upon. Let's seeif that yields something. If not, he can still be traded or left exposed to Seattle. Butif he can be a true 3, this D could be real solid coming out of the lockout.
Agree with this . Place him in a realistic role he capable of . He is not a great defenseman reduce the expectations of greatness a role where he plays to his strengths not expectations very well may yield great results for many years. Expecting more than what players are does kill them. Many have gone elsewhere to success because the expectations they be part of the team that changes things not the single person making the change. Ryan OReilly having succes now a example of this .
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Thank goodness this speculation has ended with the hiring of Ralph Krueger
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1 minute ago, Taro T said:
Zig (not Sig) used to be on WGR a few years back. Always seemed a bit of a goof; surprised he ended up with the national gig on Sirius. Unfortunately, wouldn't put too much faith into his speculation.
What was being said here was Keefe had been extended with a out clause at $700k . This would be announced after playoffs or not if he chose to go elsewhere. It’s something that they can’t confirm until it a reality is
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There was talk amongst Hockey Night in Canada sorts the Keefe had been extended to be Coach of Marlies as highest paid at $700k. Along with the contract was a out clause that allowed him go elsewhere if opportunity he desired came up. The likely scenario I see is him either staying with Marlies or promoted to Leafs as assistant coach as both AJ Smith and I believe the mans name Hiller will be looking elsewhere. Given Leafs have Cap problems and look likely to be treading water orregressing coming season . Aobvious career path ahead for Keefe . Given relationship with Babcock and Babcocks relationshiptonewGM Holland one possibility maybe Keefe wouldfind Edmonton a interesting option . Holland a mindset of a long term Coach who would grow with team. Holland viewed amongst the very best of current GMs . Keefe could very well want a shot there.
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1 minute ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:
I respect the approach you have taken to this.
Have no agenda . Remember all of this well. Given I do think ultimately he will be Leaf Coach it all does give me pause . Kyle Dubas has given him a second chance aware of the past and has put his reputation on it. Be clear though there was a past and one can decide for selves if the Current man palatable. Some do come out of darkness to become fine people .
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3 minutes ago, Torpedo Forecheck said:
I think some of you are just coming upon this story for the first time. Many of us, especially in the hockey world, knew about it and have come to grips with it. It occured a long time ago and the guy has done what you hope of someone with his past. That is don't become another drag on society, we have enough of them. He got his ***** together over a decade ago and some people are able to move on. Many in the hockey world who are just concerned with his ability to coach will have no problem hiring him. Others not so much, they will always be skeptical. I mean look around at media, politicians lawyers etc. in our current climate. Some will never forgive and will in fact use it against him forever. Not my way, you don't throw away people in the garbage who've had serious issues. I for one side on the side of if he is a different better person and has attempted redemption and made signifanct progress- I'm good, I'm behind you . Provided of course they are trying to do right.
Agree with this
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1 minute ago, Taro T said:
You did nothing wrong. People were lamenting a lack of info on the Frost connection and you provided some. Thanks.
Sincerely hope not. Truth is there is much information on the subject some of it vile.
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2 minutes ago, kas23 said:
I doubt Kim would appreciate the subject of this article, nor the details within it. Interesting that we’ll never know exactly what role Keefe played here, as he was a minor and the law forbids releasing this info, but the women involved here got their reputations destroyed.
My apologies did not wish to be rude or crude in any way. And will not extend the conversation farther other than to say anyone wishing to find the information can. Keefe and Danton did testify on Coaches behalf . Keefe did visit Danton regularly while in Jail andFrost called Danton regularly to get his loyalty . There are transcripts of phone conversations Frost demanding his loyalty and Love for him. It is part of Keefes baggage
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Frost was charged and Keefe and Danton did testify on his behalf .
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/2092660-david-frost-acquitted-of-sexual-exploitation-charges/
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15 minutes ago, Curtisp5286 said:
Yeah, I’m sure it’s a very intricate, personal situation. I would leave it to Botterill, who is a lot more plugged in to the hockey community than any of us, to figure out what the situation is and if he is comfortable with the man that Sheldon Keefe is today.
One comment . I think we all have met people be it alcohol, drugs, thefts dishonesty and more who did have a dark past who today are amongst the finest people we could meet. Have acknowledged past , gained victory over it . I think Dubas is one who is confident this the case
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12 minutes ago, Curtisp5286 said:
I believe that individuals can learn from their mistakes and become better people, especially mistakes made in their youth. I believe in giving those people second chances. There are two questions in my mind.
1) With everything that Botterill knows about Keefe, does he believe that he has in fact learned and changed?
2) Even if he has, does Pegula want to deal with the possible implications of hiring someone with that baggage?
One current question today not of past is that Keefes brother who has become Coach of year in Europe does still have a hockey and business relationship with Frost. Sheldon Keefe has said while he of course has relationship with his brother has had none for many years with Frost. If you believe that true so be it.
Just my opinion but think Sabre’s hiring Keefe a moot point and not happening as he very possibly will be elevated to Leaf Assistant Coach this season
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22 hours ago, nfreeman said:
I agree with the poster upthread who said it was too long to copy entirely into a post here.
Here is the link to the reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4vyd9y/wayback_wednesday_brampton_boys_the_four_horsemen/
And here is the only unsavory detail about Frost I saw:
This is yet another article that really sheds zero light on what exactly Keefe allegedly did with Frost.
There really is much . Links to court case are available . It should be noted Frost was found not guilty . Keefe and Danton both testified for him. Judge found that prosecution did a inept job in the case with the three vidence they had available to them and simply non of the people involved could’ve believed a muddy result that Frost was not found guilty. It should noted that Keefe parents did find pictures , he and parents estranged from each other . Keefe says pics were misinterpreted . Keefe does saynow much of his hockey past he ashamed of and a married man who since coaching in Pembrooke . Sault St. Marie and Marlies has excelled through in coaching becoming his own person . There are many articles of the time detailing court case in lurid detail the happenings in the cottage in the end boys involved said of their own volition with no Frost influence. Thus he found not guilty.
Its not arguable that there was baggage . What is how accountable was Keefe, he says he takes account for it and has grown become wiser and moved on.
For Sabres fans perhaps the issue is are you comfortable with said baggage which he admits . It’s clear he has become a most successful Coach. Where does one set the bar . Is being a very good coach enough. Can a person move on from a ugly past. General manager Dubas has put his job on the line twice for him. Have no agenda but there is much to reflect on
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21 minutes ago, dudacek said:
This is interesting. Guy was a teenage douchebag, under the influence of a bad, manipulative and charismatic man. He split from that man nearly 20(!) years ago.
Since that time, he seems to have found his calling (redemption?) in coaching.
He spent a decade coaching junior hockey to immense professional success. Near as I can tell, he kept his nose clean and has an excellent record as a leader of young men. He has repeated that at the minor league level going on four years now. His players and employers speak very well of him. He has an excellent track record of developing players for your organization, under the most intense scrutiny known to hockey.
Yet he still has “much to prove”
I’m curious, when does the statute of limitations experience on teenage indiscretion?
Fair question . Each can have their own opinion on that.
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1 minute ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
Same....but some of this makes you wonder for sure. I would have some question at an interview no doubt, if it even got that far.
Personally while I feel everyone deserves a second chance I would err on side of just not being sure my family most important and declining this man at this point . He 38 years old still young in my eyes much to prove yet
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16 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
So, 2013 minus 5yrs would put it about 2008 since he had any contact with Frost. This could very well be true.....but his brother Adam did.
https://lagunahockey.wordpress.com/2010/06/25/hockeysummercamps/
these articles are from 2010 where they worked running hockey school in California.
All could be true . What is certain is Keefe does have some baggage . One can decide for themselves if he has moved on from those days in a clear fashion and now a happily married man desiring to be best Coach he can be . I haven’t a agenda just do ponder those issues.
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1 minute ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
That article you posted was from 2013 where he said that.
Yes that’s true
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As organization it would need be asked are you confident no Skeletons from past lurk. He has said there has been no contact in many years now and Frost not welcome . Dubas gave him a shot where nobody else would in both Jr and AHL . To this point all successful .
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17 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
Not real sure this is correct but info is cloudy at best. You could be right, though you might want to look deeper.
There was a time he was involved with a unethically disposed player agent named Frost. Much of Keefe s career was shaded with that as player and as Coach . Current Leaf GM while Gm in took a chance on him iwith Sault St Marie and then with Leafs. His past is well documented . Both success and controversy
https://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/a-chance-at-redemption-sheldon-keefe/sn-amp/ This worthwhile as some background
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5 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
Two years....isn't that how long a Sabres coach lasts nowadays? Hmmm
If you take it as fact and they wanting experienced NH L coaches . Why the waiting game unless others prefer elsewhere. There are a number of college coaches who would be excellent and as would have been Gronborg or Keefe. Just don’t see the safe old boys network way to go. Keefe would be great for instance . Guy has been successful everywhere and has some teeth. As Jr. player when receiving league championship trophy said to commissioner Branch “ This must really burn your ass”’ At memorial Cup dinner team walked out threatening to punch out the other team. As Coach has progressed and matured last number of years not a misstep . But there is passion
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5 minutes ago, #freejame said:
It’s interesting that he believes his best opportunity to get a chance is to continue to coach in Europe rather than take an assistant job in the States. Maybe he believes those feelings will shift down the road or that his success will quell any doubts.
He has signed with Swiss League for two years . The contract has no out clause. Certainly there have been a number of first time hires, this year perhaps it’s just current jobs open and their biases. Disappointed he was not given a shot . Sheldon Keefe would be great in my opinion but don’t think they had a shot at him. Not looking forward to a retread Coach .
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On Gronborg :
Gronborg in a text: “The main reason that I signed with ZSC, besides being the top job in Europe, is that no NHL team wanted a coach with no prior NHL head coaching experience. … My goal is to coach in the NHL sometime in the future. Just need to get a chance.”
Risto said it's time for him to go?
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There might be disagreement at how he is used and minutes played . Would prefer new Coach have fair shot and opinion . Coaching has not been a strength