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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Curious you singled that out. Why not look at Granato past the 18-game losing streak? And BTW Donny has been coaching his entire life too. He's no less experienced than any first time NHL coach.
I picked the final 10 games because DG noted that their practice schedule was severely impacted by the schedule. By that point, it's reasonable to see that, 18 games in, he had been able to convey what he was looking for in practices. Besides, their practices under Krueger weren't very organized and that roster needed much more.
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Dude's name was "Tootha**"
Oh Twitter. Hilarious.
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2 hours ago, Crosschecking said:
If anything, at least Granato knows hockey. It's in his blood, especially with brother Tony and sister Cammi. General Panzer, er, I mean, Ralph Krueger, had a philosophy that just isn't meant for the game.
The long of it and the short of it is that it goes without saying that we all desire to see not just immediate but also long-lasting positive results. The 2018-2019 St Louis Blues are an excellent case in point.
People are hyping Granato beyond where he should be at this point. Seems like a good dude, but 31 other NHL HC's have been in hockey for their lives. Main exception was DG's predecessor.
In their last 10 games they were 3-7 and averaged less than 3 goals per. Expectations just need to be kept in check because it could get ugly next season.
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
This isn't football. Stop.
NFL franchises each get a $300M check every year for revenue sharing. I'm guessing NHL teams receive significantly less. From a purely financial perspective, those comparisons are not relevant. NFL teams have to be really screwed up not to make money even in the pandemic.
I just keep seeing Terry pop up in everything and insistent on reducing costs. With the Pegula's owning the Bills now (as opposed to when they first bought the Sabres) I don't think they'll be big spenders unless the team gets good. And that's not gonna happen for at least 1-2 season. So, they'll respond accordingly in a financial sense because even they're not dense enough to know tickets and merch sales will be way down this year.
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9 minutes ago, dudacek said:
Nope, but he is kicking my hockey team.
The team may have earned the kicking, but they’re still mine.
There isn't one fan here who would work for a company that's on the fast track to going out of business. Even if, as an employee, you had stock in the company.
I see a lot of people wanting this to just be over. It will be, but as the inevitable forms where the rebuild is going, I'm willing to wait patiently.
The back and forth unfolding between Adams/the team, other prospective trade partners, and Eichel's camp must continue. That's how deals go down.
Still, unless Buffalo starts getting some executive decisions right, there'll be more players wanting out. It is impossible to win in pro sports without outstanding management and the jury's out on whether that in place.
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1 hour ago, dudacek said:
The spoiled child was promised he would get what he wanted if he behaved, but it’s already past lunchtime and it hasn’t happened yet. He’s starting to get angry.
It pretty hard not to see this quote as anything but ^^^^
“just take what they are ***** offering you Kevyn, you little *****! For ***** sakes! I want it now!”
Did Jack kick your dog? I thought he was a dog owner or something.
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Just now, LGR4GM said:
I'd guess Pegula took a covid hit and he wants to have money for his new football stadium.
Very possible. Something has definitely changed to prompt them to get penny-wise with the Sabres. Back in the first few years they didn't seem to have budget limitations like they do now.
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1 hour ago, klos1963 said:
Call it what you want, but as this team stands today, and it doesn't look to get any better, we will be a very bad team. You have to look at our division, 26 games ?, the rest of the conference, (24 more), how many of those games do we win against Tampa, Toronto, Pitt, Washington, Islanders....
Tank or not, it's the same effect. We will finish at or very near the bottom next season.
We still have no NHL quality goalie on the roster.
I read earlier that Terry is objecting to taking on some cap in the deal with Minnesota. That supports they're in cost cutting mode this year which dovetails nicely with the strip down Adams is executing.
Basically the rebuild works for Terry because they're in cost reduction mode. I guess there were no more gas wells to drill.
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Terry is sent on a season long vacation to Tahiti and they don't permit him internet access to meddle with hockey ops? And, he takes Kim Antoinette.
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2 hours ago, Doohickie said:
10+ years? You mean Jack has been in the NHL since he was 14???
People prepare to play pro sports before they get to the professional ranks.
It's not that hard.
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22 minutes ago, kas23 said:
I think the likelihood of a reconciliation is not as low as some think. The guy is 24 and wants everything his way. Then he meets the real world where adults have rules. Of course he is going to start crying. Many of us at the age of 24 would’ve acted the same way. If he decided to sit, which many of us think he won’t, and we begin to have some semblance of success or positivity, I think he’ll suit up.
I think people have Jack wrong in some respects. He's a Type A personality and you take the good with the bad with those people. He's been incredibly driven his whole life going back 10+ years, but Type A's are demanding.
Everyone's speculating about him being a bad egg in the locker room. Maybe. Maybe not. But the one thing many sports fans aren't seeing is that players of this generation have more say to the point of forcing a team's hand. That's just reality and price of fielding a competitive team save for perhaps the current incarnation of the Milwaukee Bucks.
Jack wants to win and Buffalo has demonstrated they don't know what the heck they're doing there. Anyone who works hard for a decade plus at their craft will grow frustrated with the support structure.
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4 hours ago, nucci said:
Forces ROR trade and now limits Eichel trade. #pegulaville
Difference this time is they're budgeting less for player salaries. The team struggling means less in revenue and the brilliant Pegula's compensate by reducing payroll.
It's a vicious cycle going on right now.
3 hours ago, PASabreFan said:HE'S THE OWNER!!!!!
Where's the evidence he makes KA do stuff?
He's just expressing his opinion. Kev can do what he wants.
Owners don't get over-ruled. If you want to keep working for them, either do what they tell them or have the persuasive skills to mollify them when you do different than their desires.
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38 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:
What do you think we're in the process of doing. We're in the Wright, Miroshnichenko, Savoie mix.
They're not tanking deliberately this time even though the 2021-22 W-L probably gets them a high pick. Still isn't the objective.
They are removing their self-proclaimed "bad eggs," going full youth movement, and cutting salary. If they get another top pick it's icing on the cake.
Adams has been empowered as much as ownership allows to start completely over. Now that I think about it, reminds me of 2013-14.
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56 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:
We need to be active in college free agency, european free agency, and on the waiver wire. Show me a smart analytical approach to a rebuild. Don't speed it up. Be smart, stick to your ***** plan and build. Trade for crap contracts and get picks, pull out the stops like Arizona, if that's what we're doing. JUST STICK TO A ***** PLAN.
That may work in Arizona, where the fan base is much smaller and there are 3 other pro teams. In Buffalo, I can't see the fans accepting another 2 seasons of bad hockey waiting for kids to develop.
Other external factors impact the personnel side of the team and a lengthy rebuild. One is team revenue and we're seeing that as the Pegula's lose money, they cut costs. Ticket sales are gonna go down this season as the arena allows fans back, particularly with more losing and the departure of Jack.
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28 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:
He’s rebuilding but not trying to do it the way Murray did and got us into this mess in the first place. Funny how that’s all doom and gloom and the Pegulas don’t learn
It's clear that a team needs to become competitive fast or else the wheels begin to fall off an organization. Players begin to want out, fans are disinterested or upset, and a new rebuild is necessary.
The Pegula's may have given KA 2-3 years, but I'm not sure key players and the fans will have that much patience.
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2 minutes ago, Cheektorado said:
But if you look at it from KA's perspective Sam and Risto were leaving anyways. Jack is still here and until I see what evolves from that I just can't blame GMKA for all that has happened in the last couple of days. You are right about whether he can fix the problem but do you really think firing him and bringing in another GM and ultimately another HC is prudent right now? He was just hired.
It'll take 2-3 years to know whether stripping down the roster of supposed malcontents was effective. I'm not advocating firing him, but he's been on the job a year.
My issue is the Pegula's don't learn from their mistakes. I think much of Adams' moves last year were driven by Krueger, who held power in the organization until being rightfully canned. I don't know why the Pegula's allowed him so much control, but I'm guessing he wowed them in interviews a la Rex Ryan.
Maybe Adams succeeds and their picks produce. I don't know because it's too early to tell. I just don't trust the Pegula's to finally get a GM hire right AND get out of the way to let that person make decisions.
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1 hour ago, Hoss said:
Woof. Kevyn Adams is a kids hockey coach turned into a GM with no experience. This is the price you pay for being cheap in your hiring process.
Pegula's reaction after lackluster hires was to stop trusting anyone outside their organization for the GM role and promote from within. That tells the story about the situation and now it's prompted multiple players to want out.
KA didn't create this problem...but I don't see him fixing it. Sending players out the door is easy compared to the scouting, player development, and coaching required to build a roster and system.
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14 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
A quick recap of the Sabres to date:
- Tank for Reino and Eichel by stripping the team down to the studs and playing with veterans that were AHL level.
- Use the draft capital amassed in the teardown to try to accelerate the rebuild.... fail miserably.
- Because the draft capital was spent on a failed rebuild, the cupboard was bare.
- Start to draft wisely again, but too late for the tank prizes.
So we all agree that failed. Now let's compare to the Bills:
- Build a team of character with an ensemble cast under a no-nonsense coach. Trade away the distractions for whatever you can get.
- Add to that core, have them play together, learn how to win, but not quite championship level.
- Add the secret ingredient to a fundamentally sound team to make them a true contender.
The comparisons with the Bills really need to end. McDermott and Beane made their share of mistakes from the outset, but they were bold at QB and it worked. They're also pretty good about admitting mistakes and moving on quickly. And, they were given the money to spend consistent with a league that sends 250M+ to teams from the TV/merch revenue sharing.
This as opposed to the NHL where the top C in the NHL cannot control a game nearly as much as a QB does in the NFL. One that doesn't share major revenue with teams.
McD was a well-thought of HC candidate when he was hired. Beane had been in NFL front offices. The Sabres meanwhile hired Granato who was not thought of by anyone in the NHL as a top HC candidate. Adams is the "we knew him" hire by the Pegula's who has zero front office experience.
The Pegula's can't get out of their own way with the Sabres. They'd made enough mistakes with the Bills (Whaley, Rex) that leaders came in and demanded control. Terry and Kim gave it, but you won't see that with the Sabres.
5 minutes ago, dudacek said:This thread just gets sadder and sadder.
It's gonna be lit when Eichel gets dealt.
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1 minute ago, GoPuckYourself said:
We're about to find out if Sam, Risto and Jack were the problems. I don't love the return but it was better than what the Rangers got for Buchnevich and if we change the culture of that locker room also it will be huge for us.
It's pretty likely they'll be near the bottom of the standings next season. And it's why I can't wait for people to say, "look, we lost with Eichel, Reinhart, and Risto...ergo, they didn't make much difference" next season. But, the culture is so amazing!
The steps it's taken to force this latest rebuild are what's frustrating. You don't have 3 veterans essentially say they want out without there being some deep issues above ice level. Those aren't resolved merely by replacing decent to talented veterans with youth. But what can you do? The GM is entrenched and his strategy to blow it all up isn't gonna change.
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22 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
Maybe the Sabres are due for some good fortune and him turning into a really good goalie is part of the payoff.
This is a killer batch of hopium I'm on.
Catching lightning in a bottle isn't a strategy. But it's all that's left with Terry and Kim at the helm.
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7 minutes ago, Cascade Youth said:
It's better than allowing players to dictate to the GM that they need to be moved for peanuts or else become a "distraction."
I was watching draft coverage yesterday on ESPN and John Davidson was interviewed about the Seth Jones trade. Davidson made it clear CBJ was backed into trading him when he wouldn't re-sign. Like they were with Duchene and allowing Bobrovsky to hit UFA before him.
The balance of power between players and teams is shading more toward players, especially when they're signed with underperforming franchises. It's definitely not good and makes it increasingly hard for poorly run teams to recover.
The onus is on management to get good fast and that started in the NBA but has carried over to the NHL and NFL.
I'm torn on Eichel because he's their best player and is under contract. At the same time, the Sabres are a woefully run organization with no signs they're near being a championship caliber team. And all the while, the good teams stay good and the bad ones with bad management are stuck in neutral or constantly rebuilding.
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3 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
I don't care how Jack feels. He has a contract. Suck it up, superstar.
That approach will go over well with players and agents.
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4 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:
After seeing what the Rangers got for Buchnevich I wasn't very excited about this trade but I believe Sam, Risto and Jack are part of the culture killers here imo so I think fresh start is a must for those 3.
The Reinhart trade is a symptom of fan anger right now. Of course, his contract status means less of a return, but the real issue is I gather most fans do not want to rebuild. The team of course isn't calling it that, but sending out productive veterans signals a tear down.
Besides, most fans didn't have a problem with Reinhart or Eichel along the lines it seems management has. In sum, there's a huge disconnect between fans and management. The former has lost most if not all of their trust in the latter.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
So why hire the coach who has endlessly touted Sam's maturity and leadership skills? Does KA disagree that would be useful for his young roster next season? If so, why is there such a disconnect with Granato?
I think Granato falls into the category of just wanting to be a NHL HC. He'll go along with the plan personnel speaking.
1 hour ago, jad1 said:Players, want out of Buffalo? Just insinuate that you don't want to be here, and Kevy will accept any deal no matter how awful to grant your your wish.
Kevyn Adams, what a rube.
I'm really interested to see an extension with Dahlin. He's the only player on the team who'll be here next season that has the skill to get a long term contract for good money. If he signs a bridge deal it's not encouraging.
16 minutes ago, sabremike said:The only asset this team is going to have post Jack is cap space and I think we haven't a clue on how to weaponize it. I still wish this organization had a fetish for people from Tampa and not the Pens.
I cannot see them spending near the cap this year. Take it FWIW, but Hamilton said they were going no higher than 72M this year.
Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation
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Jack's agents did as their client wished - leverage his departure from Buffalo as Adams drags his feet insisting on 4 pieces. Each side in this and other teams are doing their preparation to attain identified objectives. Nothing wrong with any of it.
Looking ahead, I don't see the yield from this trade being as high as Adams had wanted You've got the injury and, among other things, the flat cap. But the real impediment being placed on this franchise is the owner balking at taking back contracts for 1-2 seasons. It's been a theme that he negatively intervenes and that's alive and well. I get the impression Pegula wants to be just above the cap floor - a stark reversal from the gas drilling comment days.
Adams may well have a solid rebuilding plan and the minds to help accomplish that on board now. With the NHL getting increasingly competitive, I find it hard the GM can overcome the owner regardless of what he does. If it holds up an Eichel trade there isn't a lot of hope for this franchise - and I suspect that's a big part of why people don't want to play there.