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1 hour ago, msw2112 said:
At the time Dahlin was drafted, he was branded in the media as a generational talent. He was called the best defenseman prospect since Dennis Potvin. This isn't something that I or anyone on this board made up. That's what was being said at the time.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/thn-archive-sabres-top-d-man-dahlin-likened-to-swedish-star-forsberg
You have not read my posts carefully. Prior to the draft there were people who considered him to be a potential generational player. I don't know anyone who would say that now for this all-star defenseman.
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37 minutes ago, LTS said:
Doesn't matter to me if they want to be here or not. Are they going to pout about it and not perform? Great. There goes that next contract. I think players who get traded will play like professionals and do what needs to be done.
Would I prefer a player who was also happy? Absolutely. But I'm not shying away from taking a player who would be unhappy. As it stands, I doubt ANY player would be happy to be traded from a playoff team to a non-playoff team. That's business unfortunately.
The issue isn't only the player you want to trade for, disgruntled or not. The issue is what are you going to give up for a player like Thkachuk? I'm not giving up multiple young good players for a someone I know who doesn't want to be here. This team doesn't have a deep enough roster to begin with. I'm not thinning it out for a player who may turn out to be problematic. Tkachuk is certainly an impact player. I've not said otherwise. However, building up the roster in general is more important than adding this kind of player with his attitude.
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23 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Scotty Bowman.
“This is one of those years where there’s a generational-type defenseman available and that’s not always the case,” Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman said. “Everybody says this Dahlin is the best in a while on defense.”
Not manufactured and not a waste.
I’m not disappointed because he’s not generational. I’m disappointed because he is outright bad and lazy, often. If he’s tired, he should get off the ice.
Bowman may have made a prediction on him before he played in the league or just started off in the league. So what! Would the distinguished Bowman say that now? Of course not. You created a standard that no current analyst in the league would now say. Dahlin is an all-star caliber defenseman. He's not the best but he certainly is in the upper echelon. Your argument is a manufactured argument that no one other than the partisan fanatic would make.
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10 hours ago, Pimlach said:
I didn’t see it. Listening is not satisfying with the ineffective play by play.
Sounds like they ran out of gas against a better team.
Like after any loss it’s sucks, but this season is nit going to be special.
I watched the game. Winnipeg is an impressive team. They are not dazzling or provide scintillating plays. They played a tough two-way team defense. There was no distinction in how they played when they were down and when they caught up. It was a full throttle effort from start to finish. They don't give the opposition much room to maneuver. If you try to get cute and dangle with them, they will quickly pounce on you.
I'm not making any excuses. But especially as the game went on, it was apparent to me that they were the fresher team. They never lost their steam while our engine did. (My opinion and observation.) One positive note is that UPL played well again. He kept us in the game.
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8 hours ago, SwampD said:
I never said that. I said he wasn’t as good as he thinks he is.
He’s supposed to be elite,… even generational, to some.
We have yet to see him take over a game, something generational players do.
Tonight, he had the puck along the boards, down by one, his only job is to clear the zone. His lazy play ended up in the net. Game over. Not the play of an elite player.
Who has said that he is a generational player? Maybe some fanatic fan who is a delusional partisan has made that ridiculous claim? The vast majority of normal fans have never categorized him as a player at a historical level. Let's just stop with making up stuff. Dahlin is arguably our best player who gets an overload of minutes. He is an all-star caliber of player. But trying to make an argument that he is a failure/disappointment because he hasn't attained the historical pinnacle of his profession is a manufactured and wasteful position to take.
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4 minutes ago, Thorny said:
This is ridiculous, and kinda hurts coming from you
I make it a point to set expectations before the season and don’t shift: literally quoting you in another thread about how I refuse to back down from what we said was the expectation this year. I call my shots. I refuse not to. If we miss this year, we have failed.
Saying I think we can make it is not a flip flop
I don't always agree with you and vice versa. You have not flip flopped. Your message has been the same prior to the season and now, within the season. You have clearly and repeatedly stated that if this team doesn't make the playoffs, it will be a disappointment. Anyone saying otherwise, is inaccurately stating what your position is and has been. The reason why you are drawing slings from some members of the blow it up crowd is that you pointed out that this team is not completely out of the playoff race just yet. You pointed out that there is an avenue for success (playoffs), and to your credit you specifically stated what it would take to accomplish it. What the doomsdayers can't tolerate is someone expressing that there is some hope (low percentage or more) that this team still has a chance to be successful as you define it. Some gloomy people see that as a betrayal to what they believe. That's not how I see it.
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7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
What about Chychrun? 1 year left on his deal. Ottawa wants to move him. Mobile RHD. Contract is for about $5 million.
Joki and a 2nd for Chychrun?
No. Joki is getting better and expanding his game offensively. And compared to Chychrun, he has been more durable. What happens after a year when Chychrun's contract runs out? Needless to say, I'm more than a Joki fan than you are.
If the GM was going to add another defenseman, I would like to see another Clifton like deal that would bring in another solid blueline player. If the GM was going to parlay a second-round pick, I would rather it be used to bring in a gritty forward who would give us more net presence.
My priority would be to re-sign Mitts. Adding a Chycrun contract would make player retention more challenging. Again, no to your proposal.
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https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/buf-vs-vgk/2024/03/02/2023020960
I didn't watch the game because of availability but I did listen to most of the game on WGR. I went on the NHL.com site and watched the scoring highlights. For me, the most impressive goal was on the Girgs goal. The play had little to do with dazzling play but everything to do with hard work and tenacity. Robinson was like a starving junkyard dog ferociously hounding the Vegas players who had the puck. He tangled with a Vegas player on one wall, and then went to the other side to tangle with another Vegas player on the opposite wall. He battled for the puck, got it, and the made a pass to Girgs for his perfectly placed shot. That was an effort play that impressed me the most.
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11 hours ago, ... said:
Goaltending let them down the first half as well: the three-headed monster comingled with the Levi experiment. Adams was too slow to make up his mind.
How can you make up your mind when the issue as to who was going to win/earn the #1 position had yet to be determined? Based on his play, UPL won the position as the primary goalie. Ultimately, UPL rose to the occasion, while Comrie and Levi didn't. The GM's strategy of allowing this competition to play out actually worked. Maybe not on the timetable you would have preferred, but in the end the internal competition played out and was a success.
It needs to be remembered that UPL got sick and was out for some time. And then when he came back it took more time for him to get back into the groove. Now, after an extended period of time his stats for goalies are near the top of the league. What's amusing is that for the hindsight analysts success is characterized as failure.
I for one am stunned by how well UPL is playing. It was the three-way competition that got him to this elevated platform, so far. I'm ecstatic while the nay crowd still bellows about the imaginary "what ifs". It never ends.
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2 minutes ago, spndnchz said:
Those are mostly brokers.
Are those empty seats actually bought seats that are vacant?
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Just now, OverPowerYou said:
Based on what I can see on tv probably 70% full, better than the usual 40%.
Not satisfactory if it is 70%. Disappointing.
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I'm listening to the game. What's the estimate for the attendance? Is it close to a full house?
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6 minutes ago, inkman said:
I’m going to try to take enough drugs where this doesn’t seem like the worst idea I’ve ever heard. I’ll let you know in about 15 hours.
I'm confident that you will be able to take enough drugs to allow you to continue with your hazy thinking. Please don't drive while you are in your mellow state. 😶🌫️
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6 hours ago, dudacek said:
I don't think anyone would accept Adams coming back with the same roster next season.
I don't think anyone expects Adams to give up on his young core.
Moving on from all or most of free agents Girgensons, Okposo, Robinson, Jost, Olofsson, EJ and Comrie will create the roster and cap space to make additions, and our prospect capital gives us ammunition to translate those additions to improvements.
I'm curious what people think about how much more the rest of the current roster has to give?
How much improvement should we expect from within?
(If you think a player is going to give us roughly the same, leave the box unticked)
Your third paragraph gives us a good picture of the potential openings on the roster that will exist next year. It will be in the 3-5 range, in my estimation.
I do believe that most of the improvement will come internally from young players such as Ryan Johnson, Peterka, Quinn, Power, Cozens etc. Hopefully, UPL and possibly Levi will continue on their upward trajectory.
As has frequently been stated on this forum, much of the problem associated with underachieving can be attributed to the mix of players. We need to add at a minimum a couple of tougher and grittier players who are comfortable playing in the dirty areas, i.e. in front of the net.
There are a number of people here who forcefully argue that this roster needs to be blown up. I strenuously disagree.
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37 minutes ago, inkman said:
I don’t really care about any of that crap anymore. They need to get into the playoffs. Which clearly isn’t happening with this happy to be here band of losers. They need players that aren’t happy at all. Guys that wake up and want to make someone’s life worse. They are solely concerned with winning hockey games with no regard to teammates feelings or opponent’s safety. I want players with personal problems that motivate them to smash someone’s face into the glass visualizing the teeth of whomever they pictured during that hit flying though the air getting lost on the frozen surface that lies beneath. Enough Tommy Dangles or All-Star 🤮Rasmus Dahlin. I want players that enjoy seeing other people suffer, writhing in pain on the ice. Take all of these nice guys, remove them from the team and bring in guys that ***** in your sandwich and piss on your dog.
You may not be aware of it but the caveman hockey era has been over with for a long time. Maybe MMA events could be a more enjoyable sport for you to follow? 😀
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15 minutes ago, inkman said:
We should keep the fanboi train chugging and bring in only soft lazy players that “want to be here”.
I saw a bumper decal when I was down south that is fitting: If your heart ain't in Dixie, get your asssss out. That's how I feel about people who don't want to be in a particular workplace. Bringing in players you know in advance who don't want to be there has a predictable outcome.
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11 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:
You need to watch Draisaitl I'm not taking anything away from dahlin he's great but Draisaitl is already a lock for the hall of fame
I'm not saying that Draisaitl isn't good or even great. What I'm saying is that Dahlin is more important to the Sabres than Draisaitl would be. If you think otherwise, then that's fine. It's not an insupportable position to take.
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Just now, inkman said:
I don’t like or believe in Rasmus Dahlin
I absolutely do. We are riding in different elevators; one is going up and the other is going down.
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23 minutes ago, LTS said:
So you're saying he'd refuse to report if traded? Because it's not like he would have a lot of say in the matter other than that.
Do you want to trade for a player who doesn't want to be here? I'm not suggesting that he's a bad guy for not wanting to play for some teams. But I don't want to trade for a player who I know in advance will be unhappy at his new location.
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27 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
I probably would not either based on Dahlin's age and yet to be fulfilled promise. Our defense without Dahlin would be absolutely terrible.
But don't underestimate Draisaitl's talent. He is a Hall of Fame player. Buffalo almost picked him over Reinhart, and so far he is the better of the two.
The highlight is the point. The more important issue isn't so much about individual talent as it is in assembling the best roster you can. Subtracting Dahlin for Draisaitl or almost any player in the league would make no sense for this franchise.
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14 minutes ago, inkman said:
Ah yes Rasmus Dahlin our savior
I don't know where you are coming from. No player is a savior. Winning is predicated on the talent and mix of the whole roster. It's inarguable that Dahlin is one of the best players on a team that needs more players. Subtracting your best player from a unit that isn't fully staffed makes no sense. You get better by adding talent, not subtracting your best talent. We subtracted players like Eichel, Reinhart, Montour for a variety of reasons. We didn't get better.
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Just now, Buffalonill said:
That explains it
My response is still the same: Absolutely not!
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6 minutes ago, Thorny said:
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I’ll also add to add that I hypothesized a commitment to defence could see improvements this year but that team offence would suffer as a result, sans no outside additions. That’s more less what happened, and please, no “if you remove our best players it’s not that bad” comps
I’m surprised you are calling the season lost when you hadn’t given up a week or so ago. Our improved play combined with a dearth of competition has us alive alive imo. These teams in the mix are not good
You have keen and discerning eyes. I should have said disappointing season that hasn't met my/our expectations. You are right, I haven't given up on this season. But our slow start and home record has frustrated me. The hole that this team has dug for itself is exasperating.
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2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
I might not trade Dahlin for Draisaitl, but I cannot agree with the lesser talent comment?
Perhaps you don't watch the Western Division?
Draisaitl is 28 and in his prime, he is 6'2" and 210 lbs. He has three 50 goal seasons. He has four 100 point seasons, last year he had 128 points. He averages 0.48 goals per game, and 1.18 points per game. He almost never misses a game. At this rate he has automatic HoF numbers by the time he reaches 30-31 year old.
He has 31 goals and 77 points in his 49 playoff games. The guy shows up.
He has won an Art Ross Trophy (scoring leader), a Hart Trophy (MVP of League), and a Ted Lindsey Trophy (Outstanding Player voted by the players association).
Dahlin has yet to reach these lofty levels.
You are right I don't watch much western division hockey. However, there is no circumstance in which I trade Dahlin for him. Dahlin is more valuable to the Sabres, regardless the stats Draisaitl would bring to this team. Creating a major void on a blueline that is already a work in progress, makes no sense to me. Again, an adamant no in that proposed trade.
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There were some draft analysts who considered him to be generational. You cited Bowman as an example. What I have been saying is that he is not, although he is an all-star. Based on his play he is probably our best player who is an upper echelon defenseman. He is not a generational player and shouldn't be judged by those standards. Crosby and McDavid are generational players. Dahlin is good but not at that historical level.