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5 hours ago, Marvin said:
I liked their appearance in the novel of The Godfather, where Fabrizio gets killed by Michael's men.
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For those who couldn't watch the game this is a 5 minute highlight. Within the link is a segment of the coach's postgame comments and player interviews.
.https://www.nhl.com/sabres/video/recap-oilers-at-sabres-3-9-24-6348587710112
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Just now, Doohickie said:
Interesting: The Sabres top two goal scorers: Benched.
For whatever reason, Skinner is fading. Recently, he's become an invisible player on the ice with little impact. I don't know what the problem is but we need him to get going.
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2 hours ago, Flashsabre said:
Was Peterka injured or benched?
Peterka was benched as was Skinner. In Granato's post game comments when asked about limiting minutes for certain player, he said he went with those players who gave us the best chance to win.
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3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
Hello Teammates, I missed another game. Sounds like we won twice.
UPL is really playing well. Hard to get too excited anymore but keep the wins coming. Play to win.
In the two games that you missed, Toronto and Edmonton, the Sabres played a hard two-way game throughout. Against two high-octane offenses we didn't give them much room to display their offensive talent. Both games were entertaining games. The shame of it is that we didn't play at this level in the first half of the season.
You know very well that I was a Mitts fan. Getting Byram appears to be a good hockey trade, This guy is good. Our blue line has become good and deep. Our goaltending with UPL has been stellar. In saying that in these two games our team defense and goaltending have led this team is quite a turnaround in how most of us viewed this roster.
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Some quick thoughts in an entertaining game: My first star for the Sabrees is UPL. It's really stunning of the metamorphic change in UPL's play. It seems that after every game as the season winds down, he solidifies himself as our #1 goalie.
I thought that Cozens and Tuch played really well. Cozens is becoming a threat on the PK.
I'm a Mitts fan. But the trade to acquire Byram was a good hockey trade for us. Byram is a genuine first pairing caliber defenseman. He has good offensive skills, and he can shoot.
Bryson is one of the big surprise players for me. He is a lower pairing player who is playing solidly. His goal was our big play of the game.
It's unlikely that the Sabres are going to make the playoffs. But from an overall roster building standpoint this front office has built a deep blueline. Compare that to where this unit was a couple years ago. And it appears that UPL has become a #1 goalie who is usually the main factor for our wins. What a change in how this team has performed i.e. our defense and goaltending are leading the play.
If you combine the Toronto and Edmonton game, the overview takeaway for me is that the Sabres' defense limited two high-powered offensive teams. In both games, the team played a responsible two-way game with effort throughout. We ended getting three out of four potential points. I'm not complaining about that.
This was an entertaining game in which I thought he had a slight edge.
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1 hour ago, SwampD said:
Sure seems like you do as well.
Seeing as slow starts are a continuing issue with this team, I cannot find the fact that it happened again encouraging. That was not a well played game by either team. Even the announcers commented on that fact.
We got a point. Yay.
There wasn't much of a flow to the game because neither team allowed much space when the other team had the puck. Both teams played a hard and tight game. If you think about it, the style of play of tight checking and more focus on defense is more associated with playoff hockey than regular season hockey. For me, maybe not for you and many others, that alteration in style of play in itself was a positive takeaway.
Where I disagree with your original comment is that you took a portion of the game (the beginning) and made it seem that it represented how the Sabres, in general, played that game. It didn't, at least as I see it. Our goalie continued his quality play, our blue line unit played well, and the lines played a tight and hard game all the way through. I consider that to be encouraging. You and the majority of others don't. Different eyes and different views.
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4 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Are you calling me a clown? Classy.
I did watch the whole game. And actually, the Leafs only got the first 6 shots on goal, not 9.
I know how to watch hockey, and if the outcome of the game was determined by SOG,... well, we would have lost that, too.
None of that has anything to do with the fact that no shots in the first 15 minutes of a game is not encouraging at any level, especially against a sick Leafs team. Nobody changes the goalposts like you.
Time for a break. I'm tired of people pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
You pointed out that the Sabres got no shots in the first 15 minutes. So what! Toronto controlled the play when the game began, then the tide turned the other way. It's the standard ebb and flow of a hockey game. You point out that some Toronto players were sick. So what! Our most productive offensive player (Mitts) was dealt before the game. This game was relatively even that was tied after three periods.
In general, the team played hard and well. They lost in OT and gained a point. If you want to characterize this game in a negative light, then that is your prerogative. If you didn't see any positive play in this game, then so be it. I saw this game differently. If you have problems with the divergence in opinion, big freaking deal.
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3 hours ago, SwampD said:
The Sabres had zero shots on goal for the first fifteen minutes of the game.
Encouraging indeed.
Did you fall asleep after the first fifteen minutes? Toronto got the first nine shots to start the game. After that, the Sabres got the next 12 shots. The Sabres ended up with 25 shots on net for the game (10-9-3-3) while the Leafs got 27 shots for the game (6-9-10-2). May I kindly offer you a recommendation: When watching the game keep your eyes open for the whole game. 🤡
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56 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
It was a defensive duel. Not sure why everyone was so down on this game. Probably because we didn't score 9 goals. I thought the Sabres played a confident game stuffing the Leafs attack. Their only kryptonite was the play from behind the net.
It's remarkable to me that the majority of people can watch this game with a takeaway that this game was a disaster. I saw this game the same way you did. This was one of the Sabres strongest games from a defensive and effort standpoint. Toronto is one of the most prolific scoring teams in the league. They got one goal in regulation. In overtime, there is a lot of open ice, so there is going to be a lot of back and forth. We had our chances and couldn't convert. And it should be noted that Mitts, one of our most productive offensive players did not play because he was traded.
The Sabres ended up getting a point in an OT loss. If this team would have gotten a few more OT loss points this season, this team would now be in a better position. On how this team needs to play to be successful, I came away being encouraged. I recognize that this is a minority view. And the more I watch UPL play, the more he solidifies his position as the #1 goalie. That in itself is a positive step and is encouraging.
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Okposo is a class act as a player and person. He's the type of person you admire simply because of the dignified way he carries himself. The most impressive thing about Okposo is that it is easy being the upfront person on your team when things are going well. What he did well is maintain his professionalism and class while playing in an era where failure and discontent pervaded the environment.
A related question about player status surrounds Girgs. What's going to happen to him? Does he want to stay another year or would he prefer to have a chance to play in the playoffs with another team?
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10 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
... and the silver lining is the play UPL. I hope we have a real deal #1.
Levi is playing a lot of games in Rochester, trying to help them get to the playoffs. Exactly what should be happening.
UPL is a fascinating story. When making assessments about goalies you have to be humble about predicting how they will play from one year to another. One year the player is a king, and the next year the player becomes a peasant. It's a difficult and peculiar position to assess. How many people on this site wanted to dispatch UPL for another veteran retread. The same premature assessment was made by many on Mitts. Even a player such as Bryson who was scorned by many can turn out to be a useful player. When rebuilding a roster with young players sometimes judicious patience is a good strategy.
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4 hours ago, Pimlach said:
Leaning toward Levi as the starter was a big problem, and it was actually very stupid, and it was surprising that an NHL goalie was not brought in. Adams is doing the exact opposite of what Yzerman said about developing prospects - someone who actually did it and won in Tampa, and Tampa is still winning with his core. He said you DO NOT give your prospects NHL jobs until the earn them by beating out an NHL player. We have not had an NHL #1 goalie since Ulmark left. This season, with no veteran brought in, either UPL or Levi was going to get the job by default, but Adams kept Comnie around just because he is a nice guy I guess, all that did was clog things up and continue the regular season tryout fiasco.
You have to be a fool to think that Levi was going from NCAA to NHL #1 goalie after just 7 professional games, and to publicly proclaim you are "all in" on making the playoffs make him a bigger fool. That is exactly what Adams is, and that is just one reason the season was ruined before it started. Adams is LUCKY that UPL emerged because UPL's play in both the AHL and NHL was inconsistent and often mediocre - and that level of play can revisit at any time.
Want another sobering thought? UPL has been the BEST goalie in the NHL since January, and his team has fallen even further behind in the playoff race. That should tell you how many more holes and issues there are with this team - The roster and the coaching staff both need fix'in.
You can defend Adams all you want, but he is the main reason this team is once again on the outside looking in.
I'm not defending Adams at all. What I am doing is pointing out that the course of action that he did take was supportable. His strategy of staying the course within his mostly rebuilding from within appeared to be working based on the previous season where the team made a leap from 75 points in the 2021-2022 season to 91 points in the 2022-2023 season. I'm sure that he didn't count on our all of top gun goal scorers to have lesser years this season. And I'm sure that he didn't assume that our PP that was in high gear at the end of last season would falter at the level he did.
As you point, he miscalculated by not bringing in a few more experienced players to augment/support the youth movement as Yzerman did. The Greenway, Clifton and Eric Johnson pickups were good pickups to bolster the roster. In hindsight, he should have brought in 2 or 3 more mature players to round out the roster.
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Just now, Pimlach said:
Uh. Don’t think so. That was a week or two.
They wanted to give Levi the throne. They started him 4 straight games while carrying 3 goalies. Dumb things like that made the goalie competition last for months.
Two to three weeks went by before UPL got back to his current level. Even if it was two weeks, it took additional time for him to solidify his position as the primary goalie. I don't disagree with you that this regime was leaning toward Levi in the competition. That shouldn't be surprising considering how Levi played at the end of the year. He struggled more than expected. There was no question that there was a sorting out process. Was it avoidable or strung out too long? Not necessarily. In the end, there was a 3-way competition with UPL rising to the top. This is what happens when you have a young roster with spots and roles not completely decided on when going into camp.
Assuming that UPL continues with his current standard of play, I'm confident that there will be less vying for roles next season. My expectation (hope) is that UPL grabs the mantel, and Levi becomes the backup. And it won't be a shock to me if Levi challenges UPL for the primary goalie position. In retrospect, this season has been good for UPL from a developmental standpoint, and it also has benefited Levi's development by getting a lot of playing time in Rochester. It's a tough up and down process that has a lot of inevitable frustration built in.
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On 3/1/2024 at 3:09 PM, Pimlach said:
Sure. I can understand not waiving UPL. My beef is that the 3-way competition lasted too long and it didn't have to.
UPL got sick and was out for some time. Then when he returned it took more time to for him to get in a groove. That was a reason why that 3-way competition lasted as long as it did. If UPL didn't get sick and played at the level he is playing now (stunningly well), that competition would have been determined sooner. The illness factor extended the goalie selection process.
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1 hour ago, inkman said:
I guess I’ll spell it out. I want players that impose their physical will not ones who succumb to it. The Sabres have been victims since Lucic/Miller. I don’t want victims, I want the other guys.
I'll spell it out to you so you better understand what I want. I prefer talent and tough players. You don't have to be a dirty player to be an effective player. Different strokes for different folks.
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21 minutes ago, SwampD said:
I want that, too. It's not enough.
I agree that there needs to be more than the attributes listed. This team needs more tougher and grittier players; players who are not afraid to park in front of the net when in their offensive zone. As of late, the Sabres have done a better job of hovering near the opposition's goalie. They still need more of it. Adding another Greenway type of player or two would better round out this roster.
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14 minutes ago, inkman said:
I want players that do this
I have little regard for cheap shot players. You seem to admire them. I don't.
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13 minutes ago, SwampD said:
So you are agreeing with me.
There were some draft analysts who considered him to be generational. You cited Bowman as an example. What I have been saying is that he is not, although he is an all-star. Based on his play he is probably our best player who is an upper echelon defenseman. He is not a generational player and shouldn't be judged by those standards. Crosby and McDavid are generational players. Dahlin is good but not at that historical level.
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1 hour ago, msw2112 said:
At the time Dahlin was drafted, he was branded in the media as a generational talent. He was called the best defenseman prospect since Dennis Potvin. This isn't something that I or anyone on this board made up. That's what was being said at the time.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/thn-archive-sabres-top-d-man-dahlin-likened-to-swedish-star-forsberg
You have not read my posts carefully. Prior to the draft there were people who considered him to be a potential generational player. I don't know anyone who would say that now for this all-star defenseman.
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37 minutes ago, LTS said:
Doesn't matter to me if they want to be here or not. Are they going to pout about it and not perform? Great. There goes that next contract. I think players who get traded will play like professionals and do what needs to be done.
Would I prefer a player who was also happy? Absolutely. But I'm not shying away from taking a player who would be unhappy. As it stands, I doubt ANY player would be happy to be traded from a playoff team to a non-playoff team. That's business unfortunately.
The issue isn't only the player you want to trade for, disgruntled or not. The issue is what are you going to give up for a player like Thkachuk? I'm not giving up multiple young good players for a someone I know who doesn't want to be here. This team doesn't have a deep enough roster to begin with. I'm not thinning it out for a player who may turn out to be problematic. Tkachuk is certainly an impact player. I've not said otherwise. However, building up the roster in general is more important than adding this kind of player with his attitude.
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23 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Scotty Bowman.
“This is one of those years where there’s a generational-type defenseman available and that’s not always the case,” Hall of Fame coach Scotty Bowman said. “Everybody says this Dahlin is the best in a while on defense.”
Not manufactured and not a waste.
I’m not disappointed because he’s not generational. I’m disappointed because he is outright bad and lazy, often. If he’s tired, he should get off the ice.
Bowman may have made a prediction on him before he played in the league or just started off in the league. So what! Would the distinguished Bowman say that now? Of course not. You created a standard that no current analyst in the league would now say. Dahlin is an all-star caliber defenseman. He's not the best but he certainly is in the upper echelon. Your argument is a manufactured argument that no one other than the partisan fanatic would make.
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10 hours ago, Pimlach said:
I didn’t see it. Listening is not satisfying with the ineffective play by play.
Sounds like they ran out of gas against a better team.
Like after any loss it’s sucks, but this season is nit going to be special.
I watched the game. Winnipeg is an impressive team. They are not dazzling or provide scintillating plays. They played a tough two-way team defense. There was no distinction in how they played when they were down and when they caught up. It was a full throttle effort from start to finish. They don't give the opposition much room to maneuver. If you try to get cute and dangle with them, they will quickly pounce on you.
I'm not making any excuses. But especially as the game went on, it was apparent to me that they were the fresher team. They never lost their steam while our engine did. (My opinion and observation.) One positive note is that UPL played well again. He kept us in the game.
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8 hours ago, SwampD said:
I never said that. I said he wasn’t as good as he thinks he is.
He’s supposed to be elite,… even generational, to some.
We have yet to see him take over a game, something generational players do.
Tonight, he had the puck along the boards, down by one, his only job is to clear the zone. His lazy play ended up in the net. Game over. Not the play of an elite player.
Who has said that he is a generational player? Maybe some fanatic fan who is a delusional partisan has made that ridiculous claim? The vast majority of normal fans have never categorized him as a player at a historical level. Let's just stop with making up stuff. Dahlin is arguably our best player who gets an overload of minutes. He is an all-star caliber of player. But trying to make an argument that he is a failure/disappointment because he hasn't attained the historical pinnacle of his profession is a manufactured and wasteful position to take.
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GDT: Oilers at Sabres 3-9-2024 12:30 start MSG
in The Aud Club
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I'm not sure if Tage was ill or injured but he was playing hurt. There were a couple clips on the bench showing that he was in pain. It was a valiant effort on his part. He cares.