JohnC
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2 hours ago, Xzy89c said:
his ceiling is third line center. hopefully he can get there in next couple years.
It may not be next season but there are strong odds that he will be the 2C or second line forward the following season. He is going to make the roster this year, and if handled properly and playing with the right players will be a contributor in his rookie year. He probably is more advanced that Mitts and Tage. Even as an 18 or 19 year old he is physically very developed with room to grow and very mature. The attacked link is a column on Cozens by Jordan LaBarber from NHL.com.
https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-prospects-rewind-dylan-cozens/c-316649574
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1 minute ago, nfreeman said:
Now this is a perspective that I disagree with. These GMs are paid millions of dollars to get these decisions right. It's appropriate and fair to hold them to a higher standard than some yob who bought the Hockey News draft preview.
If Mitts washes out and a bunch of guys drafted after him turn into good players (which, it should be noted, hasn't happened yet), JB is accountable IMHO.
Nylander didn't work out for us. He was dealt for Joki who is a better player. So that is a plus replacement. Mitts being rushed was a mistake. Will he be a player worthy of his draft selection? I don't know.
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2 hours ago, Kruppstahl said:
Oh Jesus. You.
For others here, this guy lives 24/7 in the "Sabres/hockey" thread over at Two Bills Drive.
I think he's a member of the Sabres PR Department b/c all he ever offers is insane, off-the-wall, wrong takes about Sabres and hockey, all dipped in large amounts of ridiculous positivity sauce.
Either that, or he's the biggest sucker Sabres fan you've ever known.
Let's all hope he goes back over to TBD and stays there.
Thank you for your kind and welcoming words. I will add you to my short and exclusive Christmas card list.
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1 hour ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
I know that he used the word "franchise" but, I think he was talking about the JBot "era".
Olofsson didn't really develop here, he spent about 4yrs in SHL and only needed to get used to the NHL rinks and style.
My take on both Mitts and Nylander is all about attitude. There's a word heard frequently as of late that comes to mind..."privileged".
When you draft 17-18 yrs old its not surprising that some kids are mature and others are not. Some quickly grow out of it while others have a slower progression. NHL hockey drafting is more unpredictable than NFL drafting because of the age differential when selecting. I'm not as critical as others on the selection of Mitts and Nylander because both players were drafted in the vicinity of where they ranked as prospects. And I still have some hope although not certain that Mitts could develop into a contributing player. As far as Nylander there should be no complaints about this traded player because he was flipped for Joki, who I believe is going to be a good player for us for a long time.
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3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Name 4 forwards in the system that this applies too.
Cozens, looks good
Mitts, rushed and ***** up his development
Tage, gazelle that wasn't ready and should never have been the cornerstone to the ROR trade
Pekar? anyone else? I literally cannot name 4 forwards this franchise drafted to apply this criteria too that even have NHL shots. I suppose if I include Asplund but wasn't he a GMTM guy?
The Sabres drafted Eichel. Was that a mistake? The Sabres drafted Dahlin instead of a forward? Was that a mistake? Reinhart was the second pick in his draft. It was a reasonable pick. As you noted Cozens look good. And as you noted Mitts was rushed. However, that is not to say that he won't develop. Nylander, just like Mitts, was drafted in the vicinity of where he was ranked in his class. He ended up being dealt for Joki. So essentially his selection has turned out to be Joki who is capable of being a second-pairing caliber of player. Olofsson was developed in the system and has turned out better than one could reasonably expect. This organization traded for ROR and they got one of the best two way centers in the game. And that is what he was and is. But for a number of reasons that have exhaustively been discussed here he was moved. There isn't anyone who will make the claim that we didn't get shortchanged. We are not the only team in hockey that has moved disgruntled players because it wanted to dispose of a problem. I would have waited for a better deal but the organization made the decision that it didn't want him in the locker room. Will Tage turn out to be a decent player? I don't know. Young tall and lanky players take time to physically mature. Chara's early years were not impressive. KI'm not suggesting he is the caliber of player that Chara is but from a physical profile these tall and thin players take time to physically mature and fill out.
It's easy to be an oracle and say who should have been drafted 3 to 4 yrs after the fact. When you draft 17-18 yr olds you never really now how the player will turn out unless the player is one of the few who fall in the can't miss category. But if you go back and review the players who were drafted they all fell in the range where they were ranked. How else are you going to do it?
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46 minutes ago, Eleven said:
I think you guys are forgetting that he always wanted an NFL team.
What do I and the Donald have in common? I also wanted to buy the Bills when they were for sale. However, just like Donald I lacked the coinage. The difference between our efforts to buy is that I didn't have the PR apparatus to promote the delusion. Promoting a myth doesn't make it real.
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1 minute ago, Taro T said:
Jokiharju tailed off to some degree after Scandella was traded. Am hopeful that he'll grow into a #3, but we've seen a lot of guys flash that potential when 1st brought in/up & they haven't lived up to the billing. Am hopeful he can do it, but this next season will let us know whether he's a Tallinder in waiting or a Gragnani.
Scandella was a superb mentor and complement to the young defenseman. Joki was 20 yrs old last year. His poise for his age and inexperience was impressive. I see a lot of upside with him. Internal improvement by our young players is going to be an important factor in making this team credible.
You make a keen observation. I watched some of the old games on MSG during this hockey interlude. I didn't realize how good Tallinder was. Because he was so efficient and not a banger he was not a high profile player. But without a doubt this quiet player was an instrumental player.
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6 minutes ago, Taro T said:
To the bolded, absolutely. Rodrigues didn't fit into the LT plans and Sheary, after Skinner was signed was never going to play consistently on Eichel's line, so he was effectively an expensive 3rd liner as well. Getting a guy that should be fairly cheap for the next 2-3 years that still MIGHT have more to show was an excellent pickup. And he's still a very good acquisition if he never ends up more than a utility player that can move up a line in a pinch.
But that Olofsson-Johansdon-Kahun line was displaying chemistry in the brief time they were together. If there's a real 2C brought in that could allow the basis for 3 solid (though not spectacular) lines as there'd be 4 top 6 guys on those 2 lines & hopefully another piece or 2 could also be brought in. Though it would be more likely that Thompson, Mittelstadt, &/or Fozins would get looks at top 6 wing slots then.
My guess is that Olofsson stays top 6 & Thompson gets 1st crack at 2RW, w/ Kahun & Cozens also getting looks. So, Johansson is the steadying influence on the red scoring line working w/ 2 of the 4 (including Kahun) young guys.
And agree that they need some luck with the young guys, but the best way to get lucky is to find that 2C and let everybody else play where they should, not where they have to.
Botterill has received some deserved criticism for his rebuild strategy of being too patient with his draft and develop approach. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I believe it was to an extent working but the time required to take that route was a factor in his demise. He needed to be more bold and exhibit greater urgency to accelerate the rebuild process especially with Jack in his prime. There is not question that the ROR trade had lingering damaging consequences. But let's give credit where deserved. I thought the Jokiharju deal for Nylander was a terrific deal and the acquisition of Kahun for players who weren't going to be here the next year was also excellent deal.
I thought Joki was our most consistent defenseman last year. I think he is going to be a gem.
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3 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said:
Maybe Dudacek is just trying to hide his identity here to a degree, so he isn't mentioning his Twitter account?
Dudacek's standard extended responses are still considered succinct compared to Marty's meandering and exhausting responses. Marty is one of a kind. He can not be duplicated. Dudacek is a fine fellow but he is no Marty
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2 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:
@dudacek is Marty. Book it. The tropical Island of Vancouver thingie is just a dodge.
Dudacek can't be Marty because the congenial and loquacious Marty gives longer open-ended responses that include frequent references about his sizeable twitter followers.
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8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
I don't agree. Krueger talks about balancing lines with 2 way player, scorer, and distributor. I think Skinner fits fne but the rest of his line wasn't the next 2 things. It was amazing how things works when Johansson could distribute, or he played with Larsson's 2-way ability.
You make a good point. On the other hand my sense is that Skinner doesn't fit the mold of the player he prefers. The only time I have ever heard Krueger exhibit irritation in an interview was when he was asked about Skinner's diminished role on WGR. His response and tone was sharp and less than discreetly indicated that he was not satisfied with how he played. I may be reading too much into his tone and response.
With respect to Johansson I thought playing him with Kahun and Olofsson at the end of the season was an interesting combination. They seemed to have a rapport and their styles of play seemed to mesh.
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30 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Am hoping that Kahun there is only the "well the guy we traded for is injured & so is Johansson, so let's throw him in" plan. But Krueger's & Botterill's comments indicated that he could be higher in the pecking order. It could work; but am very tired of watching these experiments that need a whole lot to go right that hasn't already been proven. Because Olofsson at wing is the only F one that has worked out since the Pegulas bought the team.
If Kahun becomes more of a good third line player than a genuine second line player the deal for him is still a plus deal for us. Getting more lower line production is a critical need for this team.
You make an excellent point that this organization has for too long counted on "if" players. Not much has materialized from this category of players. However, when the "if" players are young players then over time some of those "if" players can turn into "can do" players. This organization needs some luck from its current batch of "if" players such as Tage-Mitts-Cozens-Kahun. We need some good fortune for the potential to be realized into production. Is it too much to expect or too soon to expect? Maybe, maybe not?
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15 minutes ago, tom webster said:
Have you ever seen Dudacek and Marty in the same place? Have you heard Dudacek’s French Canadian accent? How about Marty’s Western Canadian accent?
No to the first question. No to the second question. And no to the third question.
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6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
I'm not really in disagreement with this. He can score goals but the problem is he's paid to score a LOT of goals and he simply didn't deliver. Skinner scores his 40 for a second year and we'd be in the playoffs instead of Montreal and maybe have a good shot at that draft pick too. For me you get a contract like that the expectation goes with it, and if you fail to live up to it, part of the blame for a failed season has to fall on you.
So you can argue about whether it's on Skinner not playing as well since he wasn't heading into free agency and motivated or if it's on Kreuger for not using him properly and taking him away from Jack but in the end they both are here and the blame was added to JBott's legacy.
I think we'd all agree however that if he doesn't bounce back and become a 30+ goal scorer again we will be in trouble and his contract will be a disaster for the future.
In general we are in accord. With respect to the highlighted section if you want an increased chance for Skinner to return to his prolific scoring form then the best situation for him is to be on the Jack line. I still believe that our first line should be made up of Skinner-Jack-Reinhart. While many want that line to split up for more dispersed scoring from another line my bias is to keep that prolific line in tact.
When considering why Skinner was less effective last year compared to his first year a significant factor was the change in coaching and the system he installed. Krueger system relies on two way players. Skinner doesn't fit that model, and I don't believe he ever will. Krueger wants his line players to play a tight and responsible two way game. Skinner certainly can give a more earnest effort on the defensive side of the game but that's not where his value lies. He's a goal scoring sniper on a team that lacks potency. We should allow him to play to his strengths and be more tolerable of his deficiencies.
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2 hours ago, dudacek said:
This.
Strome is a reasonable target as a stop-gap. I’d give up a second for him.
But he is the prime example of a skilled guy who isn’t hard enough or fast enough to fully utilize that skill against the NHL’s best.
He’ll put up points as a PP specialist, or sheltered with better players, and not much else.
Your comments are the exact duplication of what Marty Biron stated when he was asked about Strome.
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3 minutes ago, Thorny said:
I wish I could also be excited about a potential Olofsson - Mittelstadt - Cozens line 2 but..
I can't.
The bigger issue with these three players isn't so much with them playing together as it is whether individually they are good enough to contribute spread out among the lines. If two out of the three or four players (including Tage) demonstrate that they are worthy of their NHL roles, whatever it is, then that in itself will provide a team boost and allow for more cap flexibility to bring in a couple of good players.
Last year I didn't expect Olofsson to be such a scoring factor. He made a leap from the previous year. Can Kahun or Joki do the same? Or maybe Mitts? Much is riding on the internal improvement of the young players already on the roster. As it stands I believe the most important young player that this team is counting on to elevate his game is Ullmark. With consistent goaltending this team is much more competitive.
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Just now, tom webster said:
They should fire anyone who even considers that trade for a half a second.
There are definitely second line centers I would trade the pick for. A slow, mediocre one isn’t one of them.
Good observation. Your thoughts on Strome are the same as Marty Biron's thoughts. He felt that he was somewhat like Reinhart who is a heady player but was too slow for a 2C. He preferred a player who was faster and played a harder game.
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What are the thoughts of trading our #1 pick for Chicago's Dylan Strome---straight up deal? This topic has been discussed on more than a few occasions on WGR's Instigator Show with Marty Biron saying no while the other hosts would be more receptive to making that deal. Craig Rivet has been vocal in his willingness to trade our first round pick or including him in a deal for immediate help at the 2C spot.
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53 minutes ago, shrader said:
I'm always right, so I don't know why I need any opportunities.
Being a legend in one's own mind is like being drunk on one's own delusion. Others might look askance at one's staggering inebriation but so what as long as you are happy with one self. ?
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3 minutes ago, shrader said:
If a post is coherent, it can't be yuri.
What do you have against incoherence? It gives you more opportunities to be right or make the claim that the other person misinterpreted your vagueness.
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2 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:
Well, we can still have our fun, eh?
I vote ... Yuri!!
There is an adage: When in doubt make it up. ?
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Just now, shrader said:
Yeah, you're not going to win over anyone with that last statement.
When one's reputation has been sullied it can never be fully restored. ?
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3 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:
Wanna play that game we always play and try to figure out who the new poster is a reincarnation of?
I will give you 3 guesses and 2 of them don't count, eh?
Who ever you think I am you are mistaken. I have no previous history with this site. Trust Shrader.
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2 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:
If Lundell is the top idea for us at #8, I want that pick traded immediately. Having said that:
When I have heard the Zemgus comparison to Lundell, it was with the caveat, "what Zemgus Girgensons would have been had the Sabres not rushed him" -- a middle-6 Centre.
Maybe Girgs was rushed like Mitts and Tage. But even if Zemgus was given more time at the lower levels to develop odds are (my opinion) that the player he is today is the player he would be with the extra development period. Zemgus is a third or fourth line hard working gritty player without much finishing ability. The line and role he has on the line with Larsson and Okposo is a role that matches his talents.
In my opinion the player who was hurt the most by rushing the development process was Mittelstadt. I'm hoping that the unwise way he was handled doesn't permanently damage his entry into the NHL. We should get a better reading of that in the next training camp.
Dylan Cozens in his first NHL season
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This line as a checking line did serve its role very well. But the problem is that one of the glaring weaknesses of this team is its lack of secondary scoring. No one expects their checking line to be a high scoring line. But they still need to contribute more to the offense than what it currently does. From the standpoint of fulfilling their role this line may have been the most consistent line. But in my estimation you still need a few more goals to chip in with the scoring.
Okposo fits in well with this line. Because of his contract it is unlikely that he could be moved. Larsson is good at taking draws and has some jam to his game. If a player is going to be moved I see it being Girgensons not because he doesn't serve a role but because it might be in his best interest and the team's best interest to have a change of scenery.