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  10. Post your defenceman trade proposals here

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    I suppose we can attempt it with a McCabe - Ristolainen, Antipin - Bogosian top 4, but to my mind it's a risky proposition to count on both a relative unknown in Antipin and an oft-injured Bogo resurgence to cement our top 4, particularly when some of the load needs to be removed from Risto's shoulders.

     

    I'm in favor of the "small changes for now" approach - like, sign Russell, trade for De Haan, don't play Gorges, and see what we look like with Housley coaching them. 

    I wanted the big move last year, Fowler in particular, I avoid that type of move this offseason. We'll see what it looks like next summer.

     

    I wouldn't really consider trading for de Haan a small move. I'm hesitant to think we'll even be able to pull off a trade like that.

  11. Post your defenceman trade proposals here

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    You can always find a good post in any trade thread on hfboards that teaches you something about a player you didn't know, you just have to wade through the other 90 bad ones to get it. And we need to keep our centers and forwards, this stuff always goes in cycles, let's be the guys ahead of a curve for once. It'll bounce back and then we strike 

     

    Or we can finish our LA model that Tim started 3 years ago

     

    I'm good w/the bolded in general, provided there's still some way Botterill can find to upgrade the defence for next season. It's time to legitimately compete for the playoffs and our current back-end won't get it done.

  12. Post your defenceman trade proposals here

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    Damn, I just spent some time reading the trade boards on HF and my head hurts.

    There are a ridiculous amount of people convinced the price for a good but not great veteran defenceman - think Brodin and Tanev - is the third overall pick.

    When has this ever happened?

    Has the market really shifted that much?

      

    No it is preposterous. I hope Botterill doesn't buy into the hype. I would almost guarantee that a decent scouting team could draft a better defender at #3 then Tanev.  I think the NHL is in the process of shifting again and that is why defenders are such premiums. In 2 years as more mobile defenders permeate the league more and more the prices will drop.

     

    Let's just hope we are at or nearing the "mobile D-man arms race" peak, and that their value, seemingly at an all time high, dips down a bit soon as Liger suggests. I fear we could be waiting till such time to truly upgrade our defence.

  18. Expansion Draft -- Sabres moves and speculation

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    Posted · Edited by Thorny

    I wouldn't hate Kane-Tanev, I would hate the other one.Hi guys - the Reinhart stretch I went through was not while he was at center, it was a 22 game stretch during which Hammy was bitching about his work ethic. I never did the numbers while he was at center, but I do know that he played center less often than he was either a left wing or being centered by Girgensons, Cal O'Reilly, or Larsson (read, not Eichel or ROR). He hasn't even scratched the surface of his development there, but he was quite efficient outside of a few gaffs in his own zone. The play flowed through him in a way that it doesn't with any other center on this team, as in, he controlled things even though he rarely possessed the puck while doing so. I want to see that built on. I still remember that Rags game where he had a very nifty zone entry, saw Kane driving the net, and purposely put the puck into Hank's toe so that Kane could bury the rebound, which he did.

    There is MASSIVE growth potential in Sam's game from what we've seen. There is a lot of waste with him right now. I'm scared we trade him for a Vatanen now when his value will increase if he gets used correctly, but it's looking more and more like we may not get to see that.

     

    nfreeman, this is why I don't want to do Vatanen - I think you're right that if we floated Sam out there now, that's what his value would be seen as by NHL GMs, but I don't think it's very smart to do just yet. Let's get Sam in a possession system and some development time. Either he does what Thorny, dudacek, Liger, me, True etc. expect/hope for, and develops into a 60 point center that can feast on bad matchups, or we see more of the same 45-50 point Sam that we can trade for a Vatanen type later. He's not going to regress barring catastrophe, so I'd really like to hang onto him for now.

    I see where you're going with the Hjalmarsson comparison but I think Vatanen maxes out a full tier below Hammer.

    Give this man the ten thousand dollars.

     

    Per McKenzie expects Brodin, Vatanen and Hamonic to be moved

    At this point I don't even care which one it is, but we better get one of them

    Please let this be so. As long as Reinhart isn't included. I hope it's possible without that.

  22. Expansion Draft -- Sabres moves and speculation

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    Vatanen is a very good offensive defenceman and an OK defensive one.

    He is not Hjalmarsson, he's Risto without the size and edge, or to pull out an old Sabre, Doug Bodger.

    And a 2/3 defenceman is more valuable than a complementary winger.

    The thing is, Vatanen almost certainly is not going to get any better.

    And despite the fact that many here don't seem to think so, Reinhart almost certainly will.

    And he's pretty damn good right now.

    If he is the centrepiece of a trade for a Vatanen or a Tanev, I will be with Flagg at the head of an unruly mob.

    Count me in as well, should that indeed come to pass.

  23. Housley Named Sabres Head Coach

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    I think the likelihood is fairly high that Reino was discussed in the interview and they are both lukewarm on him and OK with trading him for a good defenseman if available. 

     

     

     

     

    Maybe, but I also think it's possible that he knows he's going to have to live with MM and Ennis for the next couple of seasons and wants to buck up their confidence.

     

     

     

     

    As I mentioned above, it's at least 50/50 that the omission of Reino was intentional and due to Phil and JBott having the same lukewarm opinion of Reino.

     

     

     

     

    Good to see ya sir!

    In agreement here.

  24. Housley Named Sabres Head Coach

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    Just because they didn't mention Reinhart by name, doesn't mean they're actively shopping him.    You're reading too much into it.. .Reinhart isn't going anywhere... unless they decided he's overrated and move him for defensive help

    Maybe so. Doesn't feel that way right now, though.

  25. 2017 NHL Draft -- General NHL Thread

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    Posted · Edited by Thorny

    It's cyclical. Teams are gonna start reaching for defensemen because of this, and soon teams will be stocked with defensive depth, but no depth offensively.

     

    The smart GM takes advantage of this and scoops up quality fowards as they slide draft down draft lists.... to be used as valuable currency down the road.

    So we should be planning our march to contention for when the tide shifts? How long are we from that? Hopefully Eichel is still only in his early 30s...

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