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  1. The Queen is the difference.

    yes ... she and that criminal family are the direct problem.. .. that leads directly to those fake jewish zionist pig/turks/khazars etc.. and the remnant of spellings that have migrated to the common tongue which are more vulgar here in the states.. we in buff got both national anthems and thus the ctv speech and spelling of a country that is clearly just a sattelite of england with a touch of france...  we are actually the red headec step child  that is the world zionists bully , too dumb to know who we fight for but... we at least are independant and defiant in our language to know we should be separate from the crminal english and french in every way possible... they are likeus , the stooges for the israeli aipac leaders and gangster bank that think we are ... goyim , cattle... so... i say... center, and lose that e on the end of town.. and never have a mayer or a mayor ... lets head the warning of ben franlin... if we let these people in our country they will own our children and make slaves and fols of the rest in 200 years... it took .. 150 for the federal reserve act that should have gotten a president hanged after greenbacks got a man who used to be a zionist stooge then stood up and against to truly be a hero, mr lincoln....

     

     

     i hope this crap all ends after 2015 and we can sit back and be amazed at the awesome team, mr murray has built from our disgrace,, if only the rest of us in our cpountry help trash the us like buff then kicked all the scum out  likre the candidates for 2016, bush vs clinton.... again..  right back to one of the condescending rothschild  mansion and simply redistributed their wealth like smaug and healed our country before they sell alaska and move all their stuff to china/tamil...  

     

     my apologies... im daily angered at small things such as language that remind me the trash still needs to be removed from america so we can enjoy the distraction they gave us like hockey as the rape and pillage and we were  born into and entrusted with a document sooo cool they needed a fake 9/11 and a patriot act to destroy an idead that was meant to keep the bugs like them out but actually not be like them by depriving them of their liberty to lie and conspire and manipulate... we just need to teach our kids to recognize lies and tear down the mk ultra mind control cell towerrs that create mass shooting and haarp weather, giving control back to people and out of the hands of a very corrupt few... 

     

     i want to cheer for great hockey without the guilt of being distracted...im sure my grammar was terrible.. my apologies...

  2. Bills going with Home whites again, but with the new Buffalo logo on the helmet

    :beer:  :beer:  :beer:

    @BenVolin

    #Patriots C Ryan Wendell is OUT for Sunday, meaning UDFA rookie C David Andrews should start again. DT Dominique Easley is DOUBTFUL

     

    he cant be looking forward to seeing a rested dareus with something to prove, lining up across from him... brady has a built in excuse to fall and quiver as a built broken play option to hope for a flag from hughes... (throw the lipstick and cheaties boxes, at this moment) 

  3. I was gonna say. I was there for that one in 2011; the crowd was as loud as I can remember (and that includes playoff games in the 90s).

     

     

    My thoughts exactly.

     

    And I agree with the sentiment upthread: So long as Belichick and Brady are in NE, the AFC East is presumptively theirs. I hate that I think that, but I do.

    it help to know and communicate the plays ahead of time and qb with no morals willing to cheat because he isnt good enough to win without help... if they keep allowing their home lockeroom to be accessed with flir technology sees easily through walls in 1993 (watch waco video) or 1985 blue thunder... anyway if they dont act like they know every signal and sign and play call ahead of time we are fools and deserve to lose for a sixteenth year assuming the other team has honor... i think rex will at leasr get us a fair game and i like them spending 20 mil on a lame cheating qb that wouldnt have one ring without help.... yes, not one.. the raiders and st louis would have killed them if pats didnt have walk thru of scripted plays...  the scum.. seattle overcame cheating  until the ensd when another ne uknown jumps a route like he was in the huddle...  i believe rex will fake everything and shove it up krafts poisoned fluoridated cheese hole and we will climb slowly out of the dark ages into a society the loves real atletic competition that two groups love to compete not get paid to accept help and dishonor their city and families... we are going to take a step to helping our division destroy these scum bottom dwellars and relegate them to the basement since nilly cheatchek belongs as he has been stealing wins from us.. maybe he isnt even hired if he isnt aided by one of the worst tackling or yhe greatest post season efforts in  history by mark ingram... hope you all help the team by unrelenting taunts against the cheating trio that is ruining the nfl for kids everywhere.. stick up for your children and  remind them this is redemption for our team who played by the rules and didnt stoop to bugging conversations... make bill and brady ashamed of their deeds and wait for the nightmare to end as they slink like the dogs they are back to the comfort of cheatyland, bought and paid for by lies and deceit.. i actually feel sorry for their fans forced to back scum.the liars and scourge of sport... well.. i hope we arent fools any longer and our city is no longer bamboozled by the rich and honor less.. cant wait to see... 

  4. Personal attacks because I disagree with you? Charming.

    i was inspired by your avatar... it got me put in the hole for saying a simalar things by the kraft family that must own a portion of this board... i wish tbd was sane like sabrespace but football has fans in high places taking seriously by idiots...  im also glad its harder to throw or manipulate a game  hockey ... football hasa become all stolen signals and hijacked radio frequencies, pass interference tds gifts and phantom holding and the golden douche tuck award... the fans that inhabit the hockey board seem sane , well rounded and have grasps of math , theology and physics to metaphysics... so why do i get sooo peeved when i get booted off the board and cant organize a posse to catch, rope and hang them three patriot classless thieves destroying the concept of sport.. i could do the whole george carlin baseball, football schtick for buffalo sports message boards.. anyway, thank you for vindicating my cause w yr avatar..

  5. i conveniently got kicked off twobills for the two weeks before the brady cheat scum com to town to steal our defensive signals videotape our closed practices because they are the most cowardly group of women ever assembled to systematically dishonor the game of football i used to love and will always rain or shine be afflicted with the i love buffalo sports disease which i am told is incurable.. the main symptom is unfailing hope despite all rational facts to the contrary..

     

     i need someone to help me pick a few fight with a few 'bills' fans that are actually real buff fan until it conflicts with their paid side gigs as schill for the kraft organization that poisons more food for us goyim than any other in the country... please help me create a  bounty on that little prissy cheating brady who has created a generation of kids who think its ok to lie cheat and steal, and lie some more after you are caught for the third time and his scum master bellicheat who like poison infects his organization and the league with dishonorable cheating that goes way beyond the shenanigans that we all fumblerooskie love about football.. his team blows and is sooo bad they need to have the plays for the other teams offense and defense ahead of time in order to compete.. we, at buffalo arent whiners'

     

        ... we just kill card cheats and liars ( any good cheat can assure 100% victory if he is any good at his craft)... and we always willn (i hope) my ban ends on the 26th   I just pointed out quite effectivelt that no man should be honored in a sport (which implies the best team win thru physical competition) that all he has done to succeed in that sport is master stealing plays, bugging lockerooms and become the best awww sschucks liar in the professional arena,, if that is what has become of sports then i am done with it and when i play tennis ill still tell the truth .. out or in on the lines calls because thats what it is to be a sportsman...... We should teach the world that defeating  these cheating scum and pelting kraft with the poisins he puts in his foods , throwing illegal cds and thumb drives while disguised as nfl camera crews for the cheatie hood man... how  about just pelt brady with some tissues and lipstick so he looks like the lieing he truly is to all show the kids and the families in buffalo that sunday is a RECKONING for the pretend men too afraid to compete straight up and who completely ruined a game i love,  so i wont even bet... please help give these betrayers of the idea of a fair game the welcome and boot to the rear only the hard working people of Buffalo can give and bring these women a little reminder that cheating us out of the division has consequences..

  6. Ok, man. Fair enough. That k8 post seemed to have an air of whimsical psychosis in the vein of Hunter S Thompson on an ether or mesculine binge (no offense) so I drew some comparisons that I guess weren't actual parallels. My apologies. Hope you are doing well man. This place is more interesting when you are here for sure.

    actually your not far off, although its no less true

  7. I wonder what this would look like if you edited it into standard spelling, grammar, and punctuation.  

     

    Would you be able to self-edit, or would you need some help?

     

    I'd try for a couple posts, if you approve.

    my pleasure.. i have a beautiful girl that makes my dijointed but interesting thought quite palatable... if you see a diamond in the rough and arent just busting balls... feel freee... im am lazy.. my apologies.. i assume people know what i mean.. big mistake

    Arm the Homeless! 

    both.. how are the homeless meth addicts going to get more meth if not for loaded weapons and a dream

    Sorry, K8Prisoner. I translated one of your posts into English and it still didn't make any sense.

     

    To tell you the truth, it sounded like an anti-Semitic diatribe.

     

    Here, judge for yourself:

     

    That post is getting closer to sanity. With that step, then I believe you state we are all born with a perfect helper and we don’t need to worship some devil middleman, which stole wonderful ideas, and dictated them from a devil false-god from original ideas. That created a community all based upon the golden rule- the catch all of many religions starting with the most disgusting: the Talmud, which teaches that one race should be kings and all members who aren’t of that race are actually cattle. And the Talmud teaches that all are owned to serve their masters as designated by a tradable stamp on every birth certificate and social security number that puts human tax value currently traded on the NYSE like a bond - yes you too!

     

    At between 500k to 1.5 million, based on your current Goyim bloodline and degree of Sephardidic and Ashkanazi bloodline values, as well as many others that are considered valuable.

     

    Check it out yourself: look at your birth/stock certificate as a bond that you owe on and payments begin between 16 and 26. depending on the amount of loan you beg them to allow. Approval of that loan benefits them as few do. Look at the nose jobs of Jewish actressess as they try to look like our vision of beauty to achieve us, as is allowed in Talmud, not the torah. And It’s allowed in the Koran, as that book much more closer resembles the worker bees' false anti-establishment and false anti-goverment text, which is actually been corrupted to get one third of the world surrounding a key resource To submit to the will of the state, which was carefully and completely replaced as the god’s, away from yours and my true helper and redeemer. Allahh, pfft. The latter grammar was out of respect for you and a state control as the real Allah doesn’t need your worship In fact, anyone or God, who demands worship or supplication , uses phrases like “The christian only through me, you are…”

    not anti semetic... im anti zionist... big diffrence.. went to nichols... nothing more jewish than that... its a difficult thing to differentiate..purposely i imagine... go thru the history of the Khazars and tell me if you dont agree with me... hidong behing a racist book like the talmud if taken in the wrong way and having certain ideas amplified where there is a great deal of knowledge that seems to justify the more questionable ideas,, The Khazars hijacked a religion and twisted a book disregarding the torah.. most true jew dont beleive in the current jewish state... thats anti zionistic not at all anti semetic.

  8. who cares if she tries to meddle... we need an active fan in the rooms of power and as woman she is undervalued (like the postyers' here where i get my news correctly) and abused with something to prove from september til january while her husband competes with her success as he , like her tries to get more than yes men and searches for real hard hitting advice to run the team in a way that the guys who were 50 in 1970 and loved the purity of the sport from the silence between faceoffs except the organ which only helped the home team as the crowd gave the players all

    their energy or made them uncomfortable with no place to hide if they werent playin well or the feeling of a nightmare avalanche as the home team and the crowd were beating them down , much like the washington capitals felt every time they stepped into the aud with the crowds anticipation for this months beating...

     

     

     

    sooooooooo...You erudite and well thought out posters like dc tom... 

     

     a man has too mch pride to look everywhere for advice in fear that someone might say you got that from a goyim fan on sabrespace... he steals ideas from here as do jounalists after a bender with their bonus to get revenge on their wife with smorgasboard platter at the elmwood massage.... one under 31 fresh off the boat from eacnationality..... so they come here looking for insights on the game the had their head uup two grls' ass.... in sully's case , he was too busy with his selice rose settings and yelling at the 9 year old altar boys he rented from st christophers who keep getting the pain level and the safe word wrong because his latest batch of roofies he had made up with bill cosby and pals was a little stronger than the standard 8 hour forget everything effect

     

     

    My kind point i this...

     

     

     She is probably is kind and forthright and not yet jaded like perverted darcies and ashkanazi yews of the world. If you set up a love letter thread directed at the new found power a home town girl has to get this all right... YOU HAVE NOT ONLY AQUIRED A WONDERFUL FAN OF THE GAME... but a fan that needs help from you guys and girls as fat cat morons deny her fresh ideas as  slap their egos down  on the table.  she cant take your ideas if if you dont provide  her multiple sources to give her ammo to back up yr theories in a snake pit that doesnt respect women as much as the GREAT (NO SARCASM) ideas of  fat lazy posters' on sabrespace that know alot and love the game and the team and could really help her in a utopian idealistic way with the caveat that most utopias end up distopias ( if they arent incredibly detailed and careful anticipating every idea agaisnt changing the blare of bad music and a return to the organ as well as the complete restriction of cell phone use from before the game until after especially text......

     

       even apple failed as it  turned out be 1984  ( both the commercial and the use of autocomplete with cookies returning saleable info on user tendencies both began full use in...... 1984) by Orwell as they introduced the big brother helping tool of auto complete as they had a hot chick smashing the black and white Orwell big brother as autocomplete secretely learned the tendencies of all users in order to make the experience of the user more friendly.. that allowed big brother to be born through the good intent and the first signpost on the road to hell (i am trying to reverse like ted k but kindly) called the khazars who vowed revenge for being kicked out of every country for lying to goyim and infiltrating all positions of power , with the vatican and its wealth as the main target.... that pope... anyway... she will be looking for ideas but mainly for inspiration that cant be traced tus clowns... the more you cite sources that she would read and have access the more you all can help a wonderful or not woman become great for all of you to have the experience of going to a sabres and even a bills game become perfect.. the happier and more cool and un obtrusive the environment you help Kim Pegula create as a shining beacon to the rest of the leaugue , if and only if you dont crow and make sure she has all the credit even if it is all one of you being exactly on her wavelength , understanding the discusion and sending her two day usps letters to help her become the best ceo  the sabres gave evr known. a combo of the realities of being in bed with the true compromises of the dealing with all the blood suckin.g sponsors and the reason the game and the comercials have become so horrific excpt the playoffs urging her to rearrange all commercials and music to keep a flow ending up with a better and faster game showcasing the speed amnd open space skating that perrault brought nto us from watching the fantastic five russians and the great one fully importing that beautiful style of the russians as he proved great skating and passing with young and athletic could defeat the lame dump chase and bully that reduses the tarasenkos to sideshows and the messier types to heros ..(only because he learned russian game from lil wayne)...

     

       YOU ALL AT SABRESPACE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A POWERFUL ALLY AND A equalled   STYFILLED OPINION FROM BUFFALO (with a chance to finally be heard in the forefront) , IF YOU WOO HER HONORABLY AND CAREFULLY YOU  (you may need to convince her in aletter that you can help his truly be old time hockey that seems boring but actually brings families together and become a truly magical a wonderful experience lost to horrible progress and the insecure need to fill every second with noise... in blues their called garbage notes)...  i believe this might be the perfect union of fans and owners since green bay sold shares as every team and city should be... win her over sabrspace !! so secretely only  you and her know of this new alliance as you both dazzle the hockey world with your amazing ideas and tweaks to make this house one you can truly be proud of.. and is the family secret to an amazing turn around of real intamacy that brings us closer to real honesty and thus closer to a CUP...   ... SINGING OUT THE ONLY NON CORPORATE BEATLES TUNE as i fade out against american tower, geneneral dynamics , raytheon, mkuktra and eshelon with the tavistock group... screw em... go away....... 

     

    ' dont let me dowwwnn..... DONT LET ME down...."                 i believe in you buffalo... you all have the best hearts... the more abused can shine sooo brightly..

  9. SMJ,

     

    In response to your first comment above I find it extremely arrogant that you are implying morality and moral judgments require belief in some sort of higher power. What makes you think believing in an invisible man living in the sky gives you or the deity you believe in any sort of moral authority? The entire concept of the golden rule (treat others the way you would want to be treated) has existed for thousands of years prior to even the earliest religions. I'm not going to rehash the concept of community or tribal order and success through basic cooperation and good works because I did all this in Post #177 of page 5 of this very thread and it can be referenced there. You seem to have either ignored or completely missed it back when I posted it then but it's still there in response to the last time you tried to claim that morality has to come from a higher being. Regardless, the concept of doing the right thing is known by basically everyone regardless of any sort of theological beliefs.

     

    To your second comment, it's a perfectly logical reason to discard Tim Chaffey. What better reason to discard the opinions of Tim Chaffey than the fact that he doesn't use logic that is rooted in valid facts in his arguments whatsoever? His entire basis for his argument against an old earth is circular logic stemming from his belief that the Bible is infallible because the Bible says so. He uses no empirical data or evidence to support his claims whatsoever and then has the gall to act like he made a solid case. Somebody who does that is not going to expand my learning in any meaningful way, he is merely trying to push his unfounded beliefs on others without having any sort of basis in fact. If you want me to read that drivel take me up on my offer and read something by Richard Dawkins or a real scientist that uses systematic observation, measurement, experimentation, forming a hypothesis and testing that hypothesis, along with the most important part of changing their theories and beliefs based on the results of the facts and data. The reason I trust scientists is because their positions can change when more information, facts, and evidence become available. Religious belief structures don't change because they never use facts or data in their arguments.

     

    As for the Commandment needing to be changed it was Whiskey who made the statement that Jesus could simply modify the first commandment like he did by fulfilling mosaic law. This was in response to my comment about how if Jesus is a man (not a God like Horus, Mithra, Krishna, et al) then worshipping him would seem to be breaking the 1st Commandment. It's my opinion that the whole trinity thing was just a loophole made to get around that without changing the Bible since something infallible should never have to be changed. It seems like Jesus shifts from man to God and back to man whenever it's convenient for the debate at the time. Again this just doesn't pass the smell test for me, but to each his own.

     

    As for the similarities between all these Gods, different books and different sources offer different pieces of information (just like the Bible before it was consolidated) and I don't have the desire, the time, or the money to learn hieroglyphics and travel to Egypt and do the research myself. Personally it doesn't really matter to me because I think Horus, Mithra, Krishna, Jesus, and the whole lot is all the same nonsense story. I remember reading from several different sources about Osiris (Horus's Dad) losing his genitals and them getting eaten by a catfish in the Nile or some nonsense and some sort of golden ###### got fashioned and given to Isis which impregnated her and so she was able to conceive while being a virgin. Saying all of that I realize it sounds ridiculous on the surface but is it any more ridiculous than talking snakes, living in a great fish, or one family collecting all of the species of the earth and getting them to coexist on a boat for 40 days or however long it was? The point is that its one old ridiculous story that preceded a lot of other ridiculous (and often copycat) stories that came after it. I'm not a Theologian and have no desire to spend my days researching all of these fairy tales. I imagine that many of them have great lessons that can be learned, as long as you don't try to take them literally.

     

    I think Christianity owes part of its success to copying and adopting things that were indigenous to the native people they spread their message to. The Christmas tree is a great example, as is having their major holidays (xmas and easter) celebrated at the time of the Winter Solstice and Spring Equinox. The story of Horus didn't stop the people of India from coming up with their own version in Krishna and it didn't stop the Persians from coming up with their own version in Mithra, or the Greeks from coming up with Dionysus, so why would it stop the Christians having their version with Jesus? The basic story is not unique whatsoever.

    getting closer to sanity..  this step then a believe we are all born with perfect help and we dont need to worship some devil middleman that stole wonderful ideas dictated from a devil false god yje orinal ideas  that created community all based on the golden rule... the catch of all religions stsrting with the most disgusting the talmud which teaches one race should be kings ans all members who arent of that race areactually cattle and  and are owned to serve their masters as designated by a tradable stamp on every birth certificate and ss # that puts human tax value currently traded on the nyse like a bond,   yes you too,  at between 500k to 1.5 million based on yr current goyim bloodline and degree of sephardidic and askanazi bloodline values as well as many others that are considered valuable... check it out yourself.. look at your birth/stock certificate, as a bond that you owe on and payments begin between 16 and 26 depending on the ammount of loan you beg them to allow aproval of that loan that benefits them as few do... look at nose jobs of jewish actressess as they ntry to look like our vision of beuaty toecieve us as is allowed in talmud not the torah and is allowed in Qu'aran as that book much closer resembles the workers bees' false  anti establishment and false anti goverment text which is axtually been corrupted to get one third of the world surrounding a key resource  to submit to the will of the state which was carefully and completely replaced as bthe god away from yours and my true helper and redeemer. ALLAH. pbhn.  the latter grammar was out of respect for you and a state control as the real allah doesnt need your worship , in fact anyone or god who demands worship or supplication , uses phrases like the christian only thru me you are

  10. wrote a perfect reply and got it wiped out... it was exhausting and took 40 min... its gone.. iwill try againg to write it all as the loving distractions of my life won and killed my thought which was a thank you to you for responding and an idea bout the origin of all of this that i am convinced that  we are all right but it wont let me take the truth and send it as obvious paper.... maybe i am not allowed.... i enjoyed yr response... hopefully it can continue.. if you tell me your questions and reservations then mayne im aloowed to confirm or deny....  

  11. im always restricted cause i tells da truth shiite...   oh well , please tell the bills fans freddy jackson is loyal and getting a consulting check from that fracking pegs, reformed good guy and he will be in shape and available as our 54th palyer as this year of jubilee 54 comes alive...  it will be alright as fred is loyal andhe helped us keep the backs we neededd as we beat the crap out of all five of our backs... six if u include tyrod...   getting weirder and more like a cohesive unit day after day once the big anchor signs..

  12. my apologies in advance , I am not trying to stir rthings or create anything other than more understanding for myself and my wife on all subject such as these... it is also quite detrimental to me personally to lie ,,, well, that out of the way I have few questions that trouble me about both religions that you started to address above and... thanks for everyone for being so open and forthright on issues such as this..

     

    I was started roman catholic and quit with parents permission when I was 11 due to the cruelty of the nuns and the inconsistencies in the instruction... I went to Nichols ('80s) on scholarship after I quit, was very poor. (so you know my POV)

     

     

    please explain your point of view regarding the satanic verses (rushdie)...  both the difference from your perspective between the Tetragrammatons'  words in the  torah and christian bible ( even possibly the coffin text spells that resemble the Old T first five books along with cuneiform Gilgamesh) and Allah s  words which are slightly or vastly different in the Quaran. You mentioned that the original version has never been altered . Do you believe a group such as the khazars'  altered the Torah creating  an evolving Talmud creating the need for yeshua/jsus and then restating the point to Mohammed to stop the adding and subtracting of his word?..  if I have offended , my apologies for my bad grammar but I would prefer to ask those who know more than I so I can shorten my research time .. thank you.  (peace)

     

     

       one more.... do you believe the structure at Roslyn represents your faith and is a union of all faiths with math, phi and the flower of life which unites all in one language while maintaining the humble aspect of being a servant to something greater than yourself .. or is this another impure clever subterfuge etc for a hidden agenda..?

  13. I love people from buffalo.. hilarious... I even went all the way to texas to rescue my pal from Parkview , my sexy running partner from thirty years ago an empire state volleyball star and married her,, so it must be true..  I may change my name to k8dabbler soon... I cant wait

  14. had to do another shot, check in on the wife and laugh as this goes in everydirection than my wittle bitty innocent attempt to help fred flinstone save some money on a grill.. really.. I meant nuthin by it, nuthin I say... and I actually like my cheap tabletop , its awesome except having to stock up on little propane canisters and reusing lava rocks from a real grill or it would cook like sheet.. and for you degenerates the little canisters don't fit into my all purposes gas mask  regulator I got A.,O.  Stanley, who said to eat more meat in the whole earth catalog ... dammit this is a cooking thread you mind controlling  communist schemers...  NEXT THING YR GONNA SELL ME A HAT THAT REALLY WORKS AGAINST HAARP, YOU KNOW THAT HOME ANNUAL RATE FINNACING PROGRAM TO HELP THE people... sorry my caps lock/rant button got stuck..

     

    anyway , I really thought I was saving my sabres enthusiast money on a needlessly expensive  grlling mechanism with no hidden agenda and some food advice.,.. as steve said... escuuuuse me.   goodnight irene.. he said one of those..


    I knew I was forgetting something!  My Dad used to use lava rocks in his little Sunbeam tabletop grill all the time back in the day.  I should get some- those little Walmart grills are NOT very good at even cooking.

    my communication skills are diminishing with my patience but thank you, that is exactly what I meant.. my apologies for my lame proof reading.. I will work on tnat as well as my not so serene nature

  15. I'm getting a 2200. Just haven't done it yet. About a month ago, I threw away my big home depot special that I hated and never used and just put this

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    on a table on my deck. I have never grilled more in my life. I'm thinking that a Weber Q will be a nice replacement and this one can go back in the camper.

    my wife an I use this... its 19.95 at wal mart.. I hate  walmart but.. its only there.. the rest cost over 40... I use thew same box ox lavarocks as we just replace the grill and burner every couple years..  easy to move with ... works as good as any ridiculous big grill

     

     

    we are good at being vegans and pescaterians but cant sustain the moral high ground.. if yr not in buffalo  where there is good meat and dogs a lot of places.. find a local meat guy in town to get grass fed ground chuck ... should be under 4.99 a lb at the most... the rest is a rip... no poisons, preserves or antbiotics... awesome.., the supermarkets are death traps... it is truly amazing...you can get wholesale fish and better meat if you get deliveries at a business and not a residence (usually 150 min) AND SAVE 50%  on the 4.99 and 7/8 lb for snapper and mahi.. they will sell to anyone who understands their limitations...

     

     

    pay as little to live well as possible, its your right as long as all who do the work are paid more than living wage, the idea that we saw ground chuck in the publix is almost 8 dollars a lb after it being 3.29 for a decade until it started its rise 2 years ago is sickening to do to poor families..

    . water is another completely separate topic as we reach a strange point where life must change.. figured I would throw my 2c in with bad grammar and all.  have a great summer

  16. I was already married two years, had moved across the country to take a professional job, and my first son was on the way.  I got that idiocy out of the way during sophomore year of college.

    thats because you werent enrtitled or a trust fund baby... yr child im certain was your link to reality, without that the furck it gene at 24 is highly accurate

    I'd be awfully surprised if he went to jail, even though he technically can. Minimal property damage, no human injuries, first offense (that we know of), and personal resources all point to a plea deal with a fine and community service. Always possible the prosecutor could take a hard line and want to make an example, but I think that's a remote possibility at best.

    he fled.. them law guys dont take too kindly to that moral hazard... i hope yr right.. id love to see some real hockey

    His punishment will probably just be a fine. $1,000 for first timers, correct? And whatever the driver's license suspension is. Believe it is for 3 months and some type of monitoring for 9 months.  Would be very surprised if he was suspended. 

    they will make an example out of him unless pegs steps in

  17.   i drank my own piss as i was withdrawing and forgot i  was so sick i couldnt get out of bed and remembered the hard way in the morning with an opaque glass,   but i have no idea what stories like this have to do with the details of the punishment, suspension and possible jail time for the pegulas new toy ror... he sounds like he was tripping and backed in and then freaked out... We are all idiots at 24 , maybe this incident along with kromer will inoculate the rest from similar trust fund baby entitlements.... any news on the consequences, i usually get better news here than anywhere...

  18. hes gone for at least 15 to maybe the entire year because he fled... we will see the pull terry p has,,, but 15 games at the abslute minimum more likely half the season considering his leadership role.. blows... hope im completely wrong.. him and kromer should have a limo and a private beach for the emotionally retarded

     

     

     he was targeted... but he still will be watching alot of hockey... really nlows..i wished i didnt check the news

  19. Yeah, I think many on this forum are having a tough time letting go of the mentalities of "letting the market set" and "winning the trade" and adopting the new paradigm of "building a winning team."

     

    I think GMTM is paying more than Darcy would have for these various trades. But that doesn't mean he is overpaying: how many trades didn't happen because Darcy would stubbornly stick with his price, when throwing a slightly higher draft pick would have gotten a key piece that would have improved the Sabres as a team? I think the Sabres missed out on several trades that would have helped the team and perhaps could have made the Tank unnecessary due to Darcy's desire to win every trade.

    no greater truth has been spoken, murray did in two years what darcy could only do by accident (and ruined).. i was too conservative as many were but looking at the mix on paper (murray was ideal, thanks pat).

          its guaranteed in the locker room (reigning in the big talented personalities that ohers couldnt handle) by Lewand, Mcginn and Gionta and guarteed loyal to buffalo by the hell gionta and bogosian and ennis endured with all of you last year... unbelievable we stll have great prospect base, if this isnt perfect.. pretty impressive long view he apparetly shared with some before he actually complteted his vision... i am looking forward to hockey and the season ticketholders must feel vindicated.

     

    I dont miss any prospects except, 21, 31 and armia (maybe zads)... and look what we have instead... i will crawl back under my rock as murray knows way more than me...

  20. As others have said, really good post, and I appreciate you doing it. But I'm totally going to challenge some of the stuff in here :)

     

    Old school hockey fans will probably never accept this, but +/- is simply a bad stat and shouldn't be used. I honestly think it's basically useless for everything, and simply doesn't measure defensive capability. Look no further than Patrice Bergeron only being a +2 this year. Does anybody out there think he forgot how to play defense? Alex Ovechkin regularly posts high positive +/- numbers, but even if he improved a little defensively this season, nobody is confusing him for a Selke winner. One way to at least start to look at a player's defensive value is to see how opponents do against him versus against others. Super small sample size warning here, and I'm simply eye-balling this, but O'Reilly's opponents' CF% regularly is lower against him than against everyone else they play. To illustrate, I'll just take Freeman's current mancrush, Tarasenko, who was 49.1% against O'Reilly but 55% against everyone else. I think his defensive reputation is legit (Saad's numbers are also very impressive, and their head-to-head numbers are literally a wash). Play around yourself here: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1180&withagainst=true&season=2014-15&sit=5v5

     

    I think the fatal flaw in your analysis is that you're not doing enough to take team context into account when looking at individual player performance. There's a few ways to go about doing this. For one, I think we can look at team-level performance--the primary reason Saad's Corsi is so much better than O'Reilly's is because the Hawks are much better than the Avs, and I'm fairly certain Patrick Roy is as tactically sound as Ted Nolan. This year, Chicago was the league's 3rd best possession team with a score-adjusted Corsi of 53.5%. Colorado, meanwhile, was a Buffalo-esque 29th in the league at 42.7%. What this means is basically every player on Chicago is going to have a better CF% than any player on Colorado, including undisputed studs like Landeskog and Duchene. 

     

    One way we can try to work around this is to look at relative Corsi numbers. Now we have to be careful because relative numbers are not directly comparable across teams, but it does help us see if a player is being dragged down (or propped up) by circumstances. Saad's score-adjusted relative CF% (hereafter RelCF%) is .24, right in the middle of Chicago's forward group. So basically he's not driving play himself, but he's not a total passenger to a superior team either--he's earned his spot on the top line. O'Reilly, on the other hand, has a RelCF% of 4.1, 3rd among the team's forwards behind only MacKinnon and Landeskog. Put differently, O'Reilly is a really good possession player on an awful team, which is dragging down his numbers. 

     

    Another way we can try to look at team effects is to look more closely at the performance of the players that somebody plays with, and how those linemates perform when separated. This can come with a sample size warning as teams tend to keep their best players together more often than not, but it's still useful. Saad spent 55.7% of EV time with Hossa and 54.6% with Toews. That line's CF% while together is 57.7%...but how about apart? Saad without those two is at 50%, while Hossa is at 53.8% and Toews at 54.6%. So each player on that line is better off together than apart, but the dropoff for Saad is over than 2x than for the others. It's also worth noting that the line together gets 55% offensive zone starts, while when apart Saad's jumps to 59.6%, so he's getting a slightly better offensive opportunity when apart from the others, but his numbers drop off (the same pattern emerges for Toews). He's a real contributor on the line, but he's pretty clearly 3rd banana.

     

    So how does that look for O'Reilly? Pretty similar. O'Reilly is almost always with Landeskog--67.9% of the time, but his 3rd linemate is not nearly as consistent: Tanguay 35.7% of the time and MacKinnon 30.8% of the time. There's no way I'm ambitious enough to check the timeline, but my guess is this is due to MacKinnon's injury. So I'm going to run the analysis one time with a line of Landeskog-O'Reilly-Tanguay and once for Landeskog-MacKinnon-O'Reilly. My assumption going in is that O'Reilly is going to look much better relative to Tanguay than compared with MacKinnon :lol:

     

    Landeskog-MacKinnon-O'Reilly

    CF% together: 50.4% (congrats to them on being good enough to overcome Roy)

    OZ% together: 45.3%

    O'Reilly apart: 44.6% Corsi and 42.8% OZ

    Landeskog apart: 47.3% Corsi and 41.6% OZ

    MacKinnon apart: 48.1% Corsi and 47.6% OZ

     

    Landeskog-O'Reilly-Tanguay

    CF% together: 48.5%

    OZ% together: 42.1%

    O'Reilly apart: 45.9% Corsi and 43.9% OZ

    Landeskog apart: 48.2% Corsi and 43% OZ

    Tanguay apart: 41.2% Corsi and 46.8% OZ

     

    What does this tell us? Well the easy way of putting it is that MacKinnon > Landeskog > O'Reilly >>>>> Tanguay. But we probably knew that already :P

    More seriously, the pattern we see with O'Reilly is pretty close to that of Saad--a player who is contributing to making the top line better, but is pretty clearly the 3rd best player on that line. The only caveat I'd add here is that Saad's dropoff without Toews and Hossa is larger than O'Reilly's without Landeskog and MacKinnon, and that while apart Saad gets more favorable offensive starts and O'Reilly gets worse. We're not talking massive differences here, but they do exist. 

     

    More on team context, hooray! We can also look at the quality of competition each player faces and zone starts relative to the team. One metric that has emerged for looking at quality of competition is simple: time on ice percentage. The theory is that the better players get more ice time. You'll of course have some exceptions, but this has been found to be very consistent and have good validity. It's better than using Corsi-based quality of competition because it essentially circumvents team effects, so cross-team comparisons are cleaner. Saad faces the third toughest competition on Chicago, with opponents averaging 17.68% per game and O'Reilly faces the toughest on Colorado at 17.95%. This is a really small difference, and I don't put much if any stock into it individually, but it does continue the trend of O'Reilly being given marginally more difficult ice time. 

     

    One last thing I'll look at are scoring rates at even strength. This is the one area where Saad is pretty clearly ahead of O'Reilly. Saad's points per 60 minutes of ice time (P/60) is 2.08 and O'Reilly's is 1.91. Personally, I attribute almost all of this to player usage, with O'Reilly starting in the offensive zone only 44.5% of the time and Saad starting there 57.7% of the time. We could probably argue over how much this ultimately means for the scoring rates, but I think we can agree that the difference in zone starts between the two means something. 

     

    Overall I think the players are pretty close, but I think the whole story leans in favor of O'Reilly. He gets a little tougher minutes and suffers a little less of a dropoff when he's separated from his stud linemates. He also has to deal with Patrick Roy's coaching, as opposed to getting the benefit of Quenneville's. And, of course, the real big thing: he's a natural center who plays wing, whereas Saad is strictly a winger. I put a lot of weight on position versatility (look at the luxury Tampa has of temporarily putting Stamkos on the wing to strengthen the top-6), and given the stats, I'd rather have O'Reilly. That is not meant to disparage Saad at all--he's great, and there's a compelling argument for him as well (younger so more growth potential, faster skater), and I'd love to have him on the Sabres. But if I can only have one, I'm going O'Reilly because he's currently better and brings position versatility...but you're certainly not crazy for wanting Saad.

     

     

    wow.. i know why i dont read news articles and just read these...

     

       my question is this... is this draft deep like 2003?, don't you guys want to let this year play out before giving up the farm for a second arrogant over paid moderately talented forward that wont score 30 and 70 (Pomminstein w/o the defense) before you really know what this team is and what it truly needs .... you would be setting the personality of the team for half a decade with oreilly and kane being the unselfish team first leaders?   without seeing what zemgus, zadorov, grigs with real linemates and a guy like sprong  and another scoring gamble at 31 who all  may score 50 points (less zadorov) at least once in their careers... i think the kane trade is good bet and gives cover for eichel but  21 and 31 might really be interesting  to see if they can compete quickly with eichel and grow with him...  

     

    please!  help a poor lurker understand why we need either (saad  or oreilly) at such a huge cost.. why are we going to ruin all we suffered for by not waiting to find a similar guy next year in fa or  at the trade deadline, at least knowing what  players  we truly have.before giving them away..

  21. Yummy.

    self love like that can only succeed after at least one  unfair humbling and a little self reflection... any team that drafted him wouldve had the same problem and even worse going from atlanta to humbltown  hell for mr (formerly) flamboyent. he should be all hocke.y until we start wi ning  since its his team...hopefully it stay all hockey competing with character guys like gionta and even eichel... i like the mix

  22. murray may be a genius if:

     

    1 hes right about kane, if he was a thin skinned black kid who didnt have time for race crap and went from a hero to a villain from atlanta to peg...If tony mckegneys (sp) remarks about the good ole canada boys are still true in central canada compared to bc then  murray may have a home for a good competotor that would only be great after labeled as a   failure , that once  in a new environment with a real reason to prove the others wrong and maintain a chip and a focus... if the race thing has any credence he may ne an example for a kid like bailey to see a work ethic and shine in his 9 games this season or next... 

     

    2 Stewart or some other fast and tough winger in free agency may complete a team that by mid year or earlier that has learned to compete for three periods.. clearly compared to winnepeg or minnesota who are both topped out in their progress, shedding everyone (aside from pomminvile) looks necessary as a difficult admission.. , free agebts may be lured here for that reason alone... one forward or  top 4 defensive spots to let the kids develope and take the pressure off.

     

    Mainly I see kane serving the main purpose of being the story in buffalo and shielding eichel from pressure both on and off the ice, ... with a talented local bulldog in bogosian, i am seeing and liking murrays point of view... he really helps samson  and seems to avoid the not ready edmonton trap ...and give grigs a real shot to have a guy like gionta or a talented guy we aquire mentor him  if he is part of the plan or he will be gone with the draft to move up or acquire a guy like oreilly that only a team with money to burn can afford with a front loaded easy trade contract that acknowledges the fail rate of too many big egos..  On the surface , it loooks great if anyone truly steps up of the many new regulars and draft picks that may have the top fifteen getting real first year minutes.. it is certainley more intersting than watching the lame jets and minnesota flame out in the sabres that are no molre..  looks like win so far and im inclined to bet on kane for all these reasons..

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