3putt
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We have $13M free now. We're getting rid of Pommer and Matt Moulson after this year, which frees up $9.7M. If you have Scandella, Risto, Dahlin, and Karlsson, Bogosian's out at $5.1M as late as Spring 2020. That's $27.8M freed up before you even have to sniff Dahlin's extension.
Yes, Ryan''s way overpaid, but this lowers the acquisition price on an extended Karlsson. Maybe it gets down to those two acquired 1st round picks (not ours) and a prospect and maybe a junk player. I think we should be at least investigating this.
Rumor I head is that he is interested in TB or Vegas as a no tax states and warm weather. His wife is from Ottawa but she apparently is fond of TB area. From people close to the Lightning. Could be self serving but it makes sense.
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Tribute to Mr. Hockey?
Derek Roy
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I imagine this has at least some level of impact on the decision to move him. The “locker room” stuff has always been mostly vague, but this is certainly part of it.
maybe puts a new spin on Eichel's "just happy to be here" comment. I'll hang up and listen.
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They did it with Matty Mo. I think others are coming. But you also to consider what any moves will do to your salary cap. If you have a couple of toxic contracts it could be better to just let them expire than to pay on them for years.
As the last place team in the league, just who are we going dump cap on? The reason we're taking on these contracts is that we can. When more of the youth comes up for their contracts we will be more limited in the moves we can make, but for now, the contracts aren't hurting us too badly.
This is a reasonable take. The downside to that strategy is the lack of spots for the younger players to grab. You can have so many players on the NHL roster. If Asplund or Olofson are ready, what do we do with Pommers, Berglund etc. Waiting for the contracts to expire also has a cost.
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yeah were past that. Whether it's a cap hit or paying $7.5 million cash for a player that is on another teams roster makes no sense. If that's all you got out of the post then I can't help you.
No you probably can’t. The issue I have with the trade and more deeply the Sabres is more rooted in the people being hired to run the show. There seems to be a common theme at both the bills and sabres about having the right people. That may be fine in other endeavors but sport is largely about talent. Some times the most talented aren’t the best people. The deadline to trade ROR was largely artificial. They could have waited a day and other teams who may not have the cash resources could have been brought into play. But the focus should have been on the return. It didn’t need to be the Lindros trade, having watched Berglund and Sobotka get caved for the last 4 years doesn’t seem to be a return that helps us get out of the basement. I am tired of rooting for the draft at Thanksgiving.
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See above.What first sentence? "You guys crack me up..."?
Or do you mean the third paragraph?
And you want to criticize that poster's credibility?
You are correct on the cap hit thing, but if you want to get picky with people, well...
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They do. Phone running out of juice couldn’t scroll back to the top.Do you lose all credibility for referring to his first sentence when it was his second that mentioned the cap hit?
Just curious if these things apply equally here.
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You lost any credibility with your first sentence. ROR ‘s cap hit is the same for the league year. The bonus meant he arned it all in one day. It didn’t double.Some people on this board crack me up.
You act as if Bots was given a choice between Parayko, R Thomas, or Berglund and chose Berglund. Rumors sites all week have been listing Parayko and Thomas as possible pieces. Don't you think if he could have gotten Thomas or Parayko he would have? It's obvious that Bots did his best to include those pieces, but the Blues woudn't budge. Even Bergevin in Montreal told the press he was out of the running for ROR, and that Bots wanted to much and to call him when he lowered his price.
Had Bots waited a day to pull this deal off it would have been a $15.7 million cap hit on our books vs. a $8.2 million cap hit (not including Thompson who will probably start in minors.) The fact he got what he did with the Blues knowing that was a coup in itself. He HAD to do a deal today. It didn't make sense for him to pull a deal off later this summer.
He had to deal a player who mailed it in on many nights. You can quote me all the defensive zone starts and analytical BS all you want. If you have a guy that has a $7.5 mil AVV, he has to be part of the solution, not the problem. He has to be a leader, kicking guys in the butt each night saying get it together. Leading with his work ethic during games and in practice. A guy at the end of the season like Jack saying we ARE going to fix this and I'm going to be part of the reason why. Not moping and whining about how he lost his love for the game.
Instead of being that rock, he was a guy that the younger players looked at and said, "well if he can mail it in so can I".
Frick, he was coming off two seasons with the Avs where he averaged 22 goals and 37 assists at 24 years old and (forget about $7.5 million) the Avs didn't even want to pay him $6.2 million. Why? Because he had fallen out of favor with the coaches. He was soft. They saw what we saw this season. So they traded him to Buffalo for what ended up being not much.
Sorry, but with all of his analytical BS, goals, and assists, the Sabres finished in last place. It's not like he was carrying the team on his back. On the contrary, he was showing our youth through his work ethic that it was OK to not give it your all each and every night, even if your one of the top earners on the team. That's not acceptable in a professional sports environment, period.
I look at it as Bots acquired assets. I applaud the fact that we got two 1st round picks. Say what you want, but Thompson is an unknown, and it's not like he's 22 years old with barely a sniff of NHL experience. He was 19 when last season started.
A guy like Sobotka he can play solid 3rd line center minutes and his goals and assists matched the sorry pair of Larsson and Girgensons combined minus the whining about wanting out of Buffalo from Larsson. Berglund's goal total last season would have placed him 5th on this sorry a$$ team.
There is no knowing who actually will be suiting up in Buffalo come October. There could be more moving parts and some of the guys acquired today may be gone tomorrow. But this deal had to be done today, and Bots moved a player that he knew he had to move. He got the most he could, and all you couch potato GM's can complain all you want. It's all white noise. I'll take the haul, and I'm excited about the direction of this team and the culture and players that Bots is building in the locker room. We have some young studs, and it's only a matter of time before our core starts taking this team to the next level.
Anyone fed up, the Maple Leaf Bandwagon is taking applications. Get your JT jerseys while they're hot.
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There is no reason we have tomwait for tomorrow. None at all. Good managment doesn’t wait they do everything they can to be competitive in the moment. Dahlin isn’t tomorrow he is here today. Same with Casey. Make the team, talent wise better today. That is Bobbleheads job.We shouldn't be doing things to get better today. It's all about tomorrow because that's where we are as an organization. Our best players will be great tomorrow not today. Eichel is ready now and I hate that he has to wait but the vets on this team grossly let him down.
I will hope that more trades are coming. Flip these picksmto TB for Johnson or to Ott for Stone but there is no reason we should be setting the bar low today. That ship has sailed.
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Based on what? This the weirdest take on this whole trade. The issue isn’t who is the problem the issue is the solution didn’t make the team better. Say it was Jack and they traded him for this “haul”. Is the team better? No. GM Bobblehead didn’t get assets back to make this team better today. Maybe he trades picks or whatever or gets lucky in the draft. Great. But trading an asset like ROR should get back quality not quantity. Winnipeg is looking for a center, what about Ehlers straight up? That helps us today. The only thing I am certain of in this deal,is that Bobblehead felt he had to move him. Why? I have no idea. And frankly I don’t care. But to panic because of some facetious deadline about the bonus and garner a return that doesn’t help today is ludicrous.My opinion of this deal is that JBOT is giving Eichel the leadership of this team, he will live or die with this move. I would venture to say Eichel was the problem moreso than Oreilly. Time will tell..
If ROR orchestrated this, then even less reason to accomodate him. Sakic waited out he market on Duchesne and got twice the haul as part of the solution.
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Am I the only one who believes this happened largely because ROR wanted it to?
I probably did, but it didn’t have to be rushed and for amcrap return. Pegula could afford the 7.5 to do it right and get something valuable in return. Look at how much unproductive cap,we are carrying for the next 4 years. Banner day at the Bender household.
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And since when has daddy warbucks cared about 7.5 mil? The ask goes up sure. But what was the freaking hurry? Make that payment and Az, Car and maybe even SJ and Ana become suitors. Certainly the Isles would have joined in the fray and there is the smoking wreck in Ott. If ROR had to be moved don’t use the facetious payment timeline as an excuse for this skow of garbage in return.
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So if you trade out Parayko for Thompson In this deal is their a more favorable reaction for Sabres fans?
If it,wasmThomas or Kyrou or Dunn it would have at least given them something tonuse this year, to you know try and win. On a day when the path through the division became the QEW, we traded our AKs for flintlocks.
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Trade him too for a 1st rounder in 2032 and some bad contracts.
Yes more cap dumps. Love me some cap dumps. Yummy. Hey how about Seabrooke he signed through the next millenium?
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Thompson is a pylon. Good hands and shot but slow. Berglund and Sobodtka saw there best days in the first Obama administration. The only value or should I say risk to St Louis was the potential of losing a lottery pick. Otherwise we gifted them a 60 pt center."Not one valuable piece coming back" is just weird when you consider Thompson, the 1st, and the 2nd should all be helpful long term.
And I really don't get the fixation on the Blues 1st being Top 10 protected. It isn't going to happen anyway and every NHL team is specifying that when they trade a 1st now.
I think JB knew he had to move ROR and got the best deal he could. We didn't get more because no one would give us more.
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I get that sentiment. It would have been much moremreassuring if that message was accompanied by a piecemthatnwas going to help get them overmthe hump insteadmof creating a bigger hole. Kane and Ror production is a gaping hole to fill.@3putt
On the contrary, I think he told Sam, and Jack and Casey and Rasmus that their time is precisely right now.
They’ve been handed the reins.
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I think he's about to put a C on Jack's sweater and an A on Reinhart's. All the malcontents are gone. Time for the young core to step up and lead.
Lead whom? The husk of Pominville? The corpse of Bogo? Hunwick? Larrson? Stop me when I get to someone worth leading. Casey will be thrown to the wolves. Dahlin too. We have seen this show before. And not one valuable piece coming back. And to top it off he agreed to top 10 protection? That would have been the only thing to makemthis palatable, i.e. the Blues winning the Hughes sweepstakes and having to hand it over.
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GM Bobblehead is the laughingstock of the NHL. I wasn’t a fan of his hire, but I had to give him a chance. He blew it. Doing nothing to help the roster during the season helped create the locker room dysfunction. The team saw no help come in the door from waiver moves or otherwise. Taking on cap dumps in Pominville Hunwick and now Sobotdka and berglund without adding any quality propspect is unconscionable. I don’t care if ROR was the second coming of Jack,the Ripper, he was our Jack the Ripper and worth a hell of a lot more. But there is a bigger issue and that is why this ninny was hired in the first place and the two people who hired him did so. This idea of Pegula type people is why Bobblehead is here instead of a seasoned NHL GM. They like certain traits that do not have anything to do with building a winning hockey team.
I was never a fan of the original trade for ROR not because he was a bad player but because I thought it was a hastily thought out way to accelerate a rebuild that was gonna take time. A timing issue and created unreasonable expectations on the timeline. But the timing of this is worse. He just told Jack, Sam Casey and Dahlin that your time is not now. Wait three to five years. I have not felt this angry at Sabres management since the Drury Briere fiasco. This sucks.
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Well said.I suspect all negotiations to date were based on a trade on or after 7/1, taking into account that ROR's payday was picked up by the Sabres. That's why all the rumors popping up the last few days followed by official denials. Every deal was assumed to take place today or later. I don't think this affects likelihood at all.
What affects the likelihood of a trade is Bozak signing with the Blues. That means they're out of the ROR picture. Once Tavares signs then the suitors for ROR will be apparent, and a bidding war may ensue.Or not.
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This is what we're going to say to make ourselves feel better. But honestly, Pittsburgh just won two Cups without much in the way of defense. Meanwhile, Nashville and their blue line keep falling short. When you have Tavares, Matthews, Marner, and Nylander up front, your D can be spotty.
Don’t forget Kadri and they have a good d in Reilly and Liljegren and and Sandin will be serviceable. The Atlantic now goes through TO, no doubt.
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Coming off a torn MCL.
A nothing injury today, in lightbofnthe med tech we have. Couturier is a beast.
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Less they have Couturier, a ROR clone and youngerDoes JVR to Philly make them more or less likely to trade for ROR?
They still have tons of cap space, and enough young depth to flip a prospect or two.
They have a lot of key guys -Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, JVR - in ROR’s window.
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Thanks. But Doohickie did all the work.
I was wondering who would step into the breach and shoukd have never wondered at all.
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Let's hope so. I share your disdain but the Flyers are putting together quite the roster. Courtouier (sic) is quite the player. I hope JVR is the poison pill that kills them.
Ps. Hope all is well.
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I have a brand new, autographed....aw never mind time to heal. :beer: