ska-T Chitown
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5 minutes ago, dudacek said:
What Benson produced was unremarkable for a middle-six NHL forward, somewhat remarkable for an 18-year-old, and almost unheard of for an 18-year-old picked outside the top 10.
Really curious to see if he can make a Peterka-style jump, because his production was similar to Peterka's rookie year and his overall game more reliable than Peterka's rookie year.
It would be amazing if Benny could throw in 25+ goals next year, but if he continues his strong play and ups his numbers even modestly (10-15 more points?), I'd still be thrilled. If he wants to put up 100 points, I won't complain either! 🤣
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1 minute ago, Archie Lee said:
I won’t speak for JohnC, but maybe he is not factoring Benson’s age when he says the point total was not too impressive, but rather what the Sabres needed. Benson’s play was impressive last year, particularly when you consider his age. What the Sabres didn’t need last year was an 18 year old who posted offensive # ‘s nearly as good as what Quinn posted the year before. They needed better. That’s not Benson’s issue, of course.
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On 5/15/2024 at 1:16 PM, JohnC said:
His production from a point standpoint wasn't too impressive. However, his play always seemed to be solid. I was surprised that as the season advanced this youngster's play seem to get better (as you allude to). He didn't fade at all as the season grinded on. He and UPL were my pleasant surprise players. I'm eager to see how he plays in his second year.
This sorta baffles me ... he was nearly as productive (11-19-30 in 71 games) as Quinn (14-23-37 in 75) Peterka (12-20-32 in 77) when he was 18 while they were 20/21 and people (not everyone, I know) had trouble hiding their boners after the Quinn/Peterka rookie years ...
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I have a co-worker in Portland (also originally from Buffalo). He went to game 2 in the series and said it was very noticeable each and every time Our Boy Savoie was on the ice. He said even the Portland crowd buzzed a little when he was out there. Look out, Rochester! We got another one for ya!
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2 hours ago, PASabreFan said:
Come in where?
2 hours ago, French Collection said:2C in Buffalo. I kid.
I was thinking camp and then The Roc ...
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
I've very curious to see Savoie in prospects camp and then training camp.
I hope he can come in with his skill and add some of Benson's dogged determination - that would be super nice.
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This 'Guy' sure looks like a member of the Chill Bros Club:
"Most righteous new contract, fellow Chill Broski!"
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16 hours ago, seer775 said:
The Sabres have the league record for longest losing streak, the longest playoff drought, and they are getting close to the longest playoff series win drought (they're at 18, Panthers were 24). The Sabres are only three years behind of the Leafs for longest cup drought.
The Sabres are, without a doubt, the Worst franchise in NHL history.
... and they aren't getting better.
They are tied with Vancouver at "three years behind" the Loaves. Great thing about that stat, it will likely remain at three years until the Sabres win a cup, lol
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20 hours ago, Flashsabre said:
If Skinner was making $3 million no one would care. He is taking up $ 9 million which is the big issue. He’s a one trick pony who is paid like a superstar. That is the issue.
I sort of get this, while I also don't. I haven't seen any evidence that giving Skinny 9 million pegula bucks prevented the Sabres from doing anything. This season would probably be the first where if he is not "earning" his $9M that we could say "coulda spent that money elsewhere." ahem ... casey. (the absurd concept of someone doing almost anything that is actually *worth* $9M is probably a very lonely thread all on its own).
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14 hours ago, seer775 said:
This team has the longest playoff drought of all time.
Out of a 100+ year old league, with over 30 teams, this one is THE WORST EVER.
... and it's STILL GETTING WORSE.
Didn't all the teams make the playoffs for like ... the first 50 years? Not that it makes our sitch any better.
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4 hours ago, K-9 said:
Yeah, Skinner doesn’t strike me as a Lindy type of player.
It was interesting that someone pointed out that Afinogenov played for a long time under Lindy, he was also not know for back checking or the like.
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Man, that really sucks to hear about Kim - she was young and had such an amazing trajectory. I don't even know what else to say.
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Am i jinxing the whole thing if I grab a couple ZB rookie cards off of EBay? 🤣
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23 hours ago, dudacek said:
I always get into trouble speaking in broad-brush generalities.
There are definitely fans who think targeting your guy without a thorough process is unprofessional, and that is a legitimate take.
There are also definitely fans who were vehemently saying things like "they should hire ---" and "no way they should hire ---"
I'm referring to people who belong to both group A and group B at the same time.
Haha - this has been my biggest life lesson in the year or so I have actually been posting (after lurking in the shadows for 10+ years). 🙂
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Honest question for the folks on the board who know more about actual development: I keep reading that Benson's skating is not great (good, but not great) and he could use a harder/quicker shot ... a player can still work on their skating and shooting at 18/19 yrs old, right?? I mean I read about players who get drafted with "flaws" that they work on and correct. Given his apparent work ethic, I would not be shocked at all (atol) if he came back with improvements in those two areas next fall.
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48 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Bring back Mike Weber!
can we get t-shirts??
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8 hours ago, gilbert11 said:
I’ll say. I went to the 1985 Super Bowl at Stanford. The ticket face value was $60. I paid $125 to sit in the 2nd to last row of the end zone seats. I was making about $30K then.
This past Super Bowl the tickets were around $6K. I’m been retired now for a few years but even if I was still working, no freakin’ way would I pay $6K for a ticket.
You weren't making $1.44M right before you retired? 🤣
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6 hours ago, steveoath said:
Didn’t right end up with 4 years of CHL credit? After Seattle did the IR/AHL recovery/world juniors he went back to his CHL team for the rest of the year. I was almost certain he got credit for the Covid year.
Either Wright got 'credit' for the non-existent Covid year or his 'exceptional status' came with a loophole? He also played in the OHL, so I am not sure if their agreement with the NHL is different?
Those smarter than me (low bar) have been pretty adamant the Benny cannot take his jets to the AHL this year.
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6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
If there's a games played exemption, I didn't see it. The age rule is 20 on or before Dec31. The only other rule would be 4 accrued whl seasons.
Yeah, game exemption thing was pulled sideways fresh outta my bum and I regret adding to any confusion now. I shall sit in the corner of shame for 3 mins.
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1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:
Wouldn't hurt him. There's quite a few teams that have players up and down and up and down and it's all part of the development process. These things do not have to be linear.
Right after the post where @LGR4GM confirms (again) that Benson cannot go to the AHL next year ...
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
Someone explain why the love for Peca? He's done almost nothing as an AHL or NHL level coach.
cheekbones?
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4 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
Yeah - that's definitely not what I'm riffing on. I'm also not suggesting any of that either.
I frequently hear that "elite athletes have all worked their ***** off" theme (which I clipped from your reply). Implicit in that concept, I think, is that all of the elite athletes will continue to work as hard as they did before they arrived in the best league in the world, that they will be self-aware and smart enough to know how to continue to improve themselves after they've established themselves as NHLers, and that they will all continue to grow and improve.
And that's just not the case. The NHL is a cohort comprised of the world's best hockey players. And that cohort sorts out in a way not dissimilar to how other cohorts sort themselves. Not everyone of them is working as hard and as smart as they should. Some, without even intending to do so, may have lapsed into thinking they'd arrived.
Idk. Hope for the best.
Yeah - totally not intending to lay that stuff squarely at your feet, most just replying to your replies to my replies to keep the convo going - I enjoy your perspectives and thoughts.
You are definitely correct - each pro sport has countless high profile examples of athletes flaming out for what are likely work ethic issues. I tried to cover that with my previous statements, but there are probably some of those types that end up sticking around at the higher levels. I would *guess* that those cases continue to become more rare as the athletic abilities of these players keeps increasing year after year. But, that could be my idealization.
I might also be still processing my grief from such a scheisse-storm of a season and have not accepted that maybe there are some of these deep-rooted issues?
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33 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
What if you had information about or an experience with your co-worker or neighbour - let's call him Rashee - that prompted you to think "ehh, I'm not so sure that a new sports car is a good idea for him."
I appreciate your humorous response (I am actually still giggling). I love this forum for all the good discussion (on hockey and other things) and very knowledgeable people, so I don't like it when I feel like I step on toes that don't need to be stepped on.
I think my trigger with the whole topic is that it sounds like some stuffy shirt corporate America "you should be oh so grateful to have any time off" line of thinking. It is the gen-Xer in me, I guess. (I am a cusper, so the millennial part of me wants my participation emoji reaction trophy for posting!)
I'd counter some of the "spoiled kids" talk with what many of these young men have actually gone through; I believe many of them have to chose between essentially moving out from home at age 14 (or so) to stay with a host family so they can participate in the higher level leagues, camps, etc. Most of them earned their way to the top two levels (NHL and AHL) of professional hockey with enormous amounts of hard work and dedication. Those that made it through Juniors on talent alone tend to flame out very quickly (either in brief stints in the NHL/AHL or in college). I think some slack could be cut if a 22 year old (with a very limited world view) who has dedicated 10 or maybe more years of their life to excelling at this sport for thinking they "earned" a contract of whatever value.
I think a player thinking they earned their contract and a player thinking they have "arrived" and are no longer subject to working their butts off (this is what I thought GMHD was talking about regarding an arrogant locker room) are two very different things.
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16 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:
You wanted a different noun there. You may have felt indignation because I was taking shots at our top 2 centres. But that's not what I was hurling. Invective maybe.
Come to think of it, I do recall huffing and puffing a little ... 😉
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You can consider me de-baffled on your original point. 🙂 And I was not so much directing at you, just using your post as a launch point for the discussion.
I still find it odd how generally (not just you) there is more sentiment of disappointment around what Benson did versus what Quinner or Peterks did the year before. I suspect it is because the season was so disappointing (an 18-yr old throwing in 30 points on a playoff team sounds better than doing it for some middling organization stumbling through the dark valley of no playoffs) and typically if an 18 year old makes an NHL team, it is because they are McDavid/Eichel/Bedard and they are scoring like first line players.
I think if the Sabres had been solidly in a WC spot all year and made the playoffs, Benson's season would have been seen as an indication of how strong the lineup was (dang, they did that AND had an 18 yr old) instead of the glaring weakness it was. ("It" being the fact an 18 yr old could crack the roster, not any slight on his tenacious play, dogged determination, or satisfactory point output). The concept of Benson making the team being far worse than his actual play.