Hellinator

Counting the Cap: Team salary expenditures are calculated on a daily basis from the first day to the final day of the NHL regular season. A team is in compliance if it has not already exceeded the cap for the season, and if it could carry its current roster without exceeding the cap at the end of the season. Counted against the cap: - Players on the active roster or injured reserve. - Players who have left the team on a contract buyout, according to a formula that charges a percentage of the buyout against the cap. - New for 2013: Above a minimum threshold, salary paid to NHL players who have been assigned to play in another professional league (such as the American Hockey League or a league in Europe) will count against the cap. Not counted against the cap: : - Junior-aged players who are returned to junior hockey after signing an NHL contract. - Players on the long-term injured list. (See "Long Term Injuries" below.) Maybe I guess it depends on what the floor ends up being.. Originally was saying 52 Million. That might change.. I also see there is a new thing about a minimum threshold now with AHL players.. So depending on where that threshold is, we might get some cap from that. Interesting, if that is the case.. there might be more flexibility than originally thought. I found something on it. http://www.mcsorleys...-in-the-minors/ Full article above The new rule, in its simplest form: for all players in the minors, any cap hit above $925K still counts against the cap. This number goes up every couple of seasons, and is actually defined as that year’s minimum salary plus $375K. This up-coming season, that amounts to $925K. Last season, it was $900K. (See the end of this post, for the complete minimums over the course of the new CBA.) Which all our AHL players are 925,000 or less... so no extra cap there.

It was kind of my point from the beginning.. So you get rid of Leino and have to spend 4-6 Million on a couple scrubs to fill in...I just didn't see the point to spend extra money for another losing effort next year... but the regular buyout after next season that I was proposing seems to effect the cap too long.. I though we would be getting a credit.. either way.. you buy him out thats fine if you find a couple guys that just want to spin their wheels for a couple years here.. may not be as easy as it sounds. Ask the Islanders.

That is why I was questioning it.. because that is the right number that you are quoting and that is WITH Leino's contract.. So subtract it you are at roughly 34,750,000 at 14. How many newbs will be up? Pysyk, Gregorenko, Larsson, Varone, Adam? I would expect at least 3 up next season. so thats what 17 contracts for 37,000 ,000. Then the RFA's seem a bit whacked.. I don't see Foligno getting 2.8 and 3 Mill as a RFA. no freaking way. Not even sure I would resign Ennis to that though this team would make me puke next year if he wasn't. So maybe 20 contracts at 44,500,00. Hank at what 2.5. .. so 47. at 21 and I guess we are hoping to sign OTT and/or Callahan.. okay maybe then we get to 52.. but we have 7 contracts expiring next year so now all the trades have to bring salary back equaly to what we get rid of at the deadlline. Managing the floor will be a bigger headache than most can see.

Where is that number coming from 13 contracts for 36 Million?

If the cap this year is set at 68 Mill then the floor is 52 Million. The current cap is 57 Million if you lose Leino's 4.5 it will be 52.5 Mill just above the cap floor if you resign every RFA and UFA.. That is not happening.. in fact any player on an elc that makes the team next year will continue to push it further down. I see what you are saying, it's because it was how it was said in the breakdown. They gave you a break down of his salary and then added the last part making it sound like it was in fact indicating a credit. Ville Leino is 31 years old on the buyout date of June 15, 2015, setting the buyout ratio at 2/3 and the total buyout cost at $4,666,667 spread over 4 years. His contract was originally valued at $27,000,000 beginning in 2011 and ending in 2017, with $7,000,000 remaining from the buyout year forward. The following is a season-by-season breakdown of the buyout. A negative buyout cap hit indicates a credit. I wonder how you ever get a credit then because you are always doubling the length of the remaining years where there is actually no salary owed on the original contract to subtract from. Call me confused.

I just showed you that if you keep him next year and buy him out.. he would have a cap hit for 2 years of 2.166 (15/16) and then a cap credit for 2 years after that (17/18) for 1.166 (which is when you would need the extra room)

Definately agree but it was being suggested to get rid of his contract and hire 2 other mid range overpaid players. Elliminating 1 for 2 didn't make sense to me when it comes to contracts either. As far as we can't keep Leino at his 4.5 per year Potato, I say why not? We have done it for 3 already, he'll probably be hurt for half the season anyways..and hes not making 4.5 mill anymore as it's starting to go down now since his bonus is paid already... but his 4.5 cap could help hit that floor without having to hire 2 scrubs to fill it. Just my opinion anyways..not like I like seeing him play or anything. If we buy him out after next yr I think it would be 2/3 of 7 Million over 4 years on a buyout so it would be like 7 Million x's 66.666 % = 4,666,620 divided by 4 = 1,166,655 per yr.............You take that and subtract if from the salary for each yr and then subtract the savings from the annual cap hit of 4.5 and for 2015 and 2016 cap hit is 2,166,655 then in 2017 and 2018 we would actually get a credit of 1,116,655 each yr allowing us to increase our cap slightly when we will probably need it more. See little savy moves like this could benefit us down the road.

I have always felt you need to have a Selke level type of leader on your team for it's character...we had it and Darcy didn't account for intangibles when it came to salary offers.

They are not going to suffer with the salary cap for quite a long time. If they kept him on the roster for next year where they are still not trying to win, then it makes sense to keep him for the year and then use a regular buyout... like I said of course unless they need to make room on the roster to promote players in the system. Over priced rentals is the same as having him so why make the change? You think next year will be any different than this year? It just doesn't make sense for TP to spend another 4-6 million dollars to rehire overpriced rentals for a losing effort.

I'm not sure they even buyout Leino this year anyways unless they just had to open up a spot on the roster and even if they did, they don't have to use the complaince buyout, just use the regular one that counts against the cap to help reach the floor. I just don't see any big name free agents coming this summer and probably won't have a lot of room on the active roster if they want to bring a couple guys up. Wasn't there a rumor (not sure if it was true) that TP said Tallinder would also stay here until he retired if that is what he wanted to do?

http://spectorshockey.net/blog/nhl-salary-cap-could-be-lower-than-projected/ Silver Lining.. Salary cap may not rise to 71 Million after all and may be more like 68 Million, which will keep the floor from going up too much.