So this podcast had a line Mitts and I gotta say it isn't Mitts talent I doubt, it is his drive and compete. Hedman was already a good defender but he pushes himself further to be one of the very best. I get the impression Casey pushes himself to the bare minimum. I could be wrong but without that internal motivation, he isn't going to make it and I doubt he has it. If he doesn't we need to cut our losses and package him away before others get wise to the issue.