Theana745
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6 hours ago, StuckinFL said:
Who keeps feeding the troll? The minute they said the ROR deal was good we should have all just laughed and stopped paying attention.
My final word on that is I never meant it was a stellar deal for exchange of talent--more like it had to be done. We can't tolerate someone who acted so recklessly, regardless of their percieved skill. Some things are more important than hockey. Overall not a fan of this topic because it make me look like the bad guy
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24 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:
1) If you think that the fans are the problem then you haven't watched any of the games they've been re-playing on MSG lately. That's the atmosphere Buffalo fans are capable of if you give them a good product.
2) Are you referring to the Tim Horton's incident? If so, then why was he allowed to remain on the team for 3yrs after that?
3) We've seen the down period so when do we get the up period?
I don't know what to say anymore here. You get attacked from all sides if you say something from a different perspective. I really thought by coming online, I'd be able to bring people together. I think tensions are too hot right now with the article, COVID and perceptions percieved socital, socioecomic issues. Hopefully in a few days people will be more receptive to arguments with nuance
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15 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Blues Fans as well as the NHL in general seem to disagree with this statement
Just because you have A final piece to a puzzle, doesn't mean you have the specific piece to YOUR puzzle
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4 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Also regarding Your Comment about Top Neurosurgeons coming to Buffalo. Dr Nick Hopkins, who is a World Renowned Neurosurgeon and credited with being at the forefront of advancing cerebral angiograms to the where they are today and as the driving force behind the creation of the Gates Vascular Institute spent his entire career in Buffalo. He also recruited Dr Kenneth Snyder and Dr Elad Levy to continue the program.
Many reasons why this might happen. Some people have strong family ties and that superseeds all. But not the rule
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1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:
thoughts. You work or are associated with pse, that is the only way anyone makes this statement.
Second thought, ROR won a cup. That makes your first sentence all the worse. Defending that move at this stage is unconscionable
Correlation doesn't equal causation.
1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:Wait a second. You said yesterday "the end justify the means" but today you're claiming 1 of the best 2 way centers in the league who immediately went and won a cup had to be traded, that it "was a good move". So the end only justify the means according to what end you value. In this case giving money to the Sabres.
All businesses want to make money. Nothing wrong with that. That's a purpose of a business. You have to consider all options on all sides.
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3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Sad thing is I am basically begging the team to make improvements so I can buy their product but am being told to basically shut my pie hole and just give them the money anyways.
Sometimes this is just how business goes.
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3 hours ago, LTS said:
Yes, but you stated a quite specific instance about neurosurgeons. I happen to have one who lives on my street and I spent 11 years in health care consistently meeting with administrations and researchers. I refuted it. Not opinion, reality.
Players don't come to Buffalo because the team has been bad, the ownership is clearly not winning people over, and frankly has demonstrated an actual lack of competence in running an organization. Why would any player or executive want to come here and work for this family? It's not about the city, it's about the owners. Should we not expect that all the people who were let go don't speak about the inability of this family to lead an organization?
I know I've asked about jobs in other companies only to be told about the culture there and then reconsidered my interest immediately. It wasn't based on the city.
You know how many kids grow up to play hockey that have never had an NHL team in their city? They weren't crushed. People will be upset if the team leaves, but that will quickly be replaced. Quebec City is still standing and last I checked, the kids there still play hockey.
If you want some blind fan loyalty to a franchise then don't tell me its a business. Instead, tell me its a social club, where we can $2 brews and some wings and watch a crappy hockey team get their arses kicked year in and year out. It's amazing how little I'd care about the product on the ice if it didn't cost so much money just to get in the building.
But that's the not case, fans get to pay an large sum of money to go through metal detectors, have the option to buy seriously overpriced beverages and crappy food and then sit in seats so uncomfortable and jammed in that the Delta CEO uses them as a reference of how far the airlines can cut back. What's left? Oh yeah, a terrible arena experience, and to top it off... the whole reason people showed up? See some really crappy hockey.
Sounds like a I've got it all wrong though. I should be happy to have that. Hell it's an HONOR to have all that.
Nope.. not how it works.
1) Arena experience is sound. You can't just yell about something without telling someone what's wrong with it. In regards to the food prices, you're paying for the atmosphere like anything else.
2) ROR decision was a good move. You can't have people who act recklessly and endanger lives in our organization. Simple as that.
3) All teams have up and down periods. That's just the way of life sometimes.
40 minutes ago, freester said:There are no buyers out there, and they are not penny pinching. Penny pinching owners don't spend over the cap. Be thankful that Buffalo has a franchise. I live in Atlanta, a much bigger and wealthier city. We lost an NHL team twice. While the Pegulas are not perfect and have made many mistakes, I'm confident they will eventually get the right GM in place to make the Sabres winners.
Thank you. Appreciate this
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56 minutes ago, Taro T said:
Alanis Morrisette was your English teacher? Cool beans.
And again, the criminals didn't announce actual attendance, nor even paid attendance. They announced distributed tickets. Take out unpaid tickets distributed and attendance goes down.
It's so sad to see someone call the organization criminal. Look, I think we're just going to have to agree to diasgree. I think tensions are hot over the percieved economic inequality in the country. Let's all take some time to cool down
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1 hour ago, Taro T said:
You don't go to many games do you?
And doesn't begin to address the FACT that attendance was wildly overstated during the criminals' tenure.
You don't know how ironic this statement was. Even if we take your word, amount of tickets purchased is a much better metric of interest and pashion. Lots of reasons why a fan might mot attend. Maybe they had an exam, got into an accident etc.
50 minutes ago, Zamboni said:I’m not sure if this was sarcastic or not. Let’s assume on its face, this was a sincere comment by you...
I’m a STH and I can tell you from experience of over 16 years, and over 250 games attended ... the attendance they announce at the game is NOT reflected by the butts in the seats. It’s sold tickets (15,500 STH’er seats which are already fully paid for by the time the first game of the season comes), plus the mini pack holders, plus seats sold beyond that. So I’ve never heard the attendance below 16,700 or so. And yet, some badly attended games I’ve witnessed are around 10,000 - 12,000.
arena holds just over 19,000
See my other comment. Ticket purchasd is a much better metric of interest. Lots of reasons why one might not go to a game after buying a ticket. Family events, car accidents etc.
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1 minute ago, Weave said:
Then you have no idea how well this community supports an entertaining team.
And you should know that team success comes from BOTH a bottom up/top down approach. I'm just trying to find ways to bring people together so the whole organization is on the same page
1 minute ago, Taro T said:The Rigas era Sabres gave out a ####-ton of free tix. They gave STHers 2-4 extra pairs of seats throughout the season. No idea how many extra free tix went out to box holders & sponsors, but they got the tix too. That practice ceased under the NHL stewardship and Golisano did not revive it.
The NHL teams announced DISTRIBUTED tickets prior to THE lockout, NOT PAID tickets, and absolutely not ACTUAL attendance.
That's because the paid ticket number is so similar to actual attendence.
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56 minutes ago, Weave said:
Players want to come to winners. The amount of time it's been since you've heard positive things is equal to the amount of time this team has been bad. How soon you've forgotten the hysteria around here in '05-06. The problem is, the stupid moves the team made started showing up right around '07.
Didn't come to Buffalo till after. But have read up on things when I came here.
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13 minutes ago, Weave said:
It is interesting how consistently you place blame on the fans. The fans are there and willing to support. They have not been provided anything worth supporting. You have it ass backwards.
And the best fan bases absolutely stay home when the team sucks for long periods. Every team has an amazing fanbase when they are winning. Every team has a library for an arena when they aren't.
Except Toronto. They are too stupid to know the difference.I just have never seen someone say something positive about the players/management/staff here in a long time, and I think that's what prevents people from wanting to come here. Always doom and gloom. I think people here need to have a positive outlook
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39 minutes ago, #freejame said:
There’s so few kids who are actually fans of this team now. It was very sad watching my kid brother and his friends grow up not caring about the Sabres. Do kids in Buffalo really care that much or are they all Caps, Hawks, Leafs, and Penguin fans?
The prelockout era was arguably the darkest time in franchise history. Attendance was less than I’ve ever seen it and the entire organization was in shambles. I don’t believe fan culture has anything to do with it. Win games and the fans will come.
Not correct. 00-01, 01-02 the team had relatively strong numbers, with close to sellout crowds. They dipped for a few seasons (02, 03) season during the early 2000s. Almost always in the top 20 for attendance. Amazing what a little research does
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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Guess I am out then. The Sabres are not entertaining. They have not been in many years. I don't see signs from the ownership they understand how to fix that. Therefore I will spend my money on other things. So idk what ends you want to justify but at the end of the day, I am not spending money on this team until they get their ***** straightened out. If that results in the team leaving, so be it. That isn't on me. That is on the owners for creating something that is not entertaining or worth my time. It is not on me to blindly be loyal regardless of what product they are selling.
The ends justify the means. I suppose then is about what end we are justifying. The Pegulas bad decision making or my decision to not spend money on something that ceased to be of value.
Again, I said this in the other post, but attracting talent player wise and management wise comes down to two things. Robustness of the city and fan culture. Better fan culture = better team = better investments in the city. It sounds like you're fine with no hockey in Buffalo. Fine, but imagine all the dreams you'll crush from all the kids who really believe in our club. Even though the record might not be great, Mr. Pegulla has utilized the team to help a wide variety of charities and pump money into the Buffalo economy. In a city like Buffalo, A team is much more than it's record. It provides jobs and stability to many. There are some things that are too big to fail.
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2 hours ago, LTS said:
This is an absolutely horrible take. The best neurosurgeon will go wherever a healthcare system will promise them the most money and almost assuredly the most leeway to run various levels of medical studies with insane resources and as little oversight as possible.
Patients will travel between cities to find that single neurosurgeon.
The success of the organization is dependent upon those who run it, not the people who live in the same area code it's run in. The fans can take down a successful organization by still continuing to not care about it. Fans aren't responsible for a failing organization, it takes care of itself. No business is run on the premise of give me money first and I will give you a quality product second. It doesn't work that way, period. Even if it happens to work for a brief period of time, it's not sustainable.
Your take is myopic and puts a value on sports that is perceived but not real. Plenty of cities in this country thrive without a sports team in them. The initial impact might be significant, but people move on and these days they usually do so within weeks.
I suppose everyone is different, but eventually each person wakes up and realizes that handing hard earned money to an entity that has no interest in improving your quality of life is not justifiable. I mean, why improve the product or invest if people keep blindly handing over money?
Everyone is titled to his or her opinion. Even though this take might not be reality per say, many individuals in the NHL and other leagues still believe in it. There's been so many stories of players in the league not wanting to come to Buffalo, and that was before Mr. Pegulla came around. It came town to two things. City and fan culture. Ultimately, it's a double edged soward. If you don't provide the team with ticket sales, it will never improve and things will only get worse. Don't you want to give the team a chance at improving? Let me tell you, there's so many kids out there that would be crushed if their favorite hockey team was no longer around. Being in the league is really an honor, and the best fan bases treat it as such.
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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Here's my question. You are saying that I have to spend money and support the Pegulas and how they run the teams no matter what? Is that what you are getting at. I just want to make sure.
If you want to make sure our organization remains in buffalo, yes. The ends justify the means
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1 minute ago, PASabreFan said:
That's your best post to date! I had a point and didn't articulate it well. It's late. It kind of refers to something I've been trying to put my finger on for the longest time. How the Pegulas can't really own the Buffalo Sabres.
Not sure what the last part means, but glad I'm getting through the people ☝️
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5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:
If the people are as intricately involved in the success of this business as you like to portray, then we are no longer talking about a traditional customer-business relationship. We are talking about the community as owners of the enterprise. So let's talk about profit-sharing, shall we?
And you do. You get the benefit of having such a large organization in your backyard. Think of the entertainment they provide, they jobs they create, the happiness they create. Imagine if PSE left, the impact it would have on Buffalo. Like it or not, they provide world class entertainment and job creator. From my time in Buffalo, the city is basically on the shoulders of UB and the pegullas.
Edit: Feeling like I'm finally get through to people ?
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3 hours ago, nfreeman said:
I agree with this and with most of what you've said in this thread.
I do think though that there are 2 more questions:
1. Are the Pegulas competent at building a good organization, which presumably would lead to good on-ice results?
2. Are they greedy, insensitive jerks?
I think the article today essentially argues that the answers to both of these are "no."
Now, was the article -- and the assertions it made -- somewhat overblown and sensationalized, and likely based on sour grapes from people who have been let go? Yes, almost certainly. But it's undeniable that there has been a ton of turnover at PSE, and that the on-ice results have been awful. So it's not unreasonable for people to connect the dots, and for people to be skeptical about the Pegulas until they demonstrate that they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
OTOH, one might think that their development efforts in Buffalo, their charity and the success with the Bills would buy them more goodwill than they seem to be getting here. Of course, this is a Sabres board, and the Sabres have been freaking terrible.
Couldn't agree more. I think a lot of poster are just frustrated at the wealth gap and divide in this country (thoughts that get projected to this organization), and when a piece like this came out, people jumped on it like sharks. I've said this so many times before, but people are going to have to come together here, whether you like it or not. And again, before people say I have a dog in this fight, I don't anymore. The success of this organization is a vital part to Buffalo, and the direction it goes is partially dependent on your support. Like or not, you have to create a culture that makes players/talented managers and others want to come here. And this goes for every major field. If everyone here is moping around, you're not going to get best neurosurgeon here etc. Culture comes from the ground up.
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16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
You keep labeling them as disgruntled, that's fine. It doesn't mean that they are lying or wrong. We've witnessed the constant failure particular on the Sabres side. I take what was said with a grain of salt but I think what's being said logically fills in gaps in the reasoning behind so many missteps.
I will not being doing the first. Blind loyalty isn't my thing.
That leads to the second, you're right it is their business. But I don't work for them and can criticize them. If they leave, someone else or something else will show up.
Again it's your decision. Just don't be suprised one day you wake up and there's no more hockey in Buffalo
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30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
So all 30 some odd ppl had vendettas? Sure.
How am I suppose to help keep the Sabres here?
Attend games, buy merchandise, spread word about them on social media
11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:So they can do whatever they want because they have money. That's essentially what you're saying.
Yes. Until someone else gives them another offer. It's their business
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4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
Except is it from multiple sources so this theory just got destroyed.
Multiple people can have vendettas. The point is that despite what this article may state, people are going to have to find a way to come together here if they want this organization to stay in Buffalo.
1 hour ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:I apologize in advance, I'm probably not going to be very nice on this topic. I'm having a hard time feeling bad for billionaires who can't run a business right now. It's your money, you can spend it however you want. You can hire whoever you want to do whatever you want. I don't need to give a crap about your garbage product though.
Problem is the "garbage product" under normal conditions creates jobs for people. If you bite the hand that feeds you, there might not be a hand left anymore
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12 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:
Vogl was a dutiful lapdog for them as recently as a year and a half ago, the way he ran with the ROR stuff was disgusting. If he's turned on them, there's probably a reason for it
Things are different now. Less stories now, less league action. Someone in the pegulla organization could easily be mad about COVID and the current state of affairs in regards to wealth in the country, hence deciding to come forward. Again not saying that as the definitive truth, but something we all need to consider when analyzing this news piece
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Tbh, seems like the source had some sort of vendetta for the organization. I personally would take this article with a grain of salt
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On days like this it makes me wish the other fans on this message board were like those airing in the MSG promotional video. Anyways, I think this is a good place to pause this particular conversation for now. I understand that there's spirited debate on both sides here, and that's okay. Revisiting this conversation in a few days will do good for all of us.