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3 minutes ago, Thorny said:
To me, it's more the amalgamation of several Botterill moves that lead to preliminary questioning on my part, rather than being outright opposed to the included moves individually.
I'm good with the idea that Botterill felt he needed to move ROR, and even that he wanted Mittelstadt to have a shot at the 2C, but not if the only safety valve for that position is a cap dump in Berglund. And especially not when, when said player (Berglund) flamed out, Botterill did nothing as of yet to replace him.
How the Reinhart deal factors in remains the most interesting, to me. If we didn't intend on pushing for the playoffs while he have him on this cheap bridge, was it really a good deal to make considering he could have been had for probably much cheaper in the long run, for a slight overpay in the near term? It's really looking like he's going to command a healthy raise on his next deal, and very likely a fair bit more than we could have had him for on a long-term deal last summer.
Is that contract reflective of a miss-fire in talent judgement, or just something Botterill was more than fine living with, and risking, when he signed him to it? I wonder if he takes a do-over on that deal, if somehow offered the opportunity.
I believe Botts got ALL the big calls wrong and lucked in to 3 critical things that mask what a terrible job he’s doing.
big calls
1. ROR - fail on every level. I’m sure it’s been discussed ad nauseam here, but making the move under the “woe is me”/locker room narrative is awful enough, but then we get a ***** return on top of it, only for the outcome to culminate in another (potentially) wasted season and downstream impacts on development... it’s in the Chiarelli/Milbury club.
2. Reinhart bridge. Dumb. I sketched out a development profile of Reinhart as compared to Schiefele at the same post draft seasons... this season was predictable.
3. Mitts/Tage in Buffalo. They should be playing dominant 1st line minutes in Rochester together.
Luck
1. Dahlin
2. Skinner NMC
3. 10 game winning streak
with significantly more talent, we are basically back to where we were when Bylsma and Murray were fired... but we’ve got draft picks. Cool. Winning the draft is fun.
meanwhile a real GM took lehner in, helped him get right... and now a team that LOST John Tavares is on track to the playoffs. And another veteran GM who fleeced ROR from us, has overcome a terrible start to be back within striking distance.
frustrating
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Just now, Scottysabres said:
I don't think I used McDavid's "passion" as a reasoning why I stated what I did on the subject.
Sorry, you don’t think Eichel’s “desire to compete” is at a higher level than the franchise that traded ROR for futures?
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Just now, Scottysabres said:
I don't believe Eichel is in a similar situation.
You think Eichel has less passion for winning?
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1 hour ago, Scottysabres said:
I don't know, I'd go so far as to say that if that mess of a team isn't straightened out by the end of next season he'll demand a trade. He's had to of seen enough by now, I'm wagering the Oilers are on a much shorter term leash when it comes to McDavid and his desire to compete at a higher level than his team has.
Do you think Eichel is going to demand a trade on a similar timeline?
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2 minutes ago, Weave said:
I don't know that Mittlestadt is being stunted, but the biggest crime committed is wasting the cheap years of very good talent. It sure makes the window for contention a whole lot smaller in a cap era.
I would define “stunting” as anytime you are not putting a high end young prospect in a great situation.
At the end of this year, it will be hard to say we did that with Mittelstadt
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10 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Something to keep in mind. I do not believe The Sabres can Trade the San Jose or St. Louis Firsts as of yet since the conditions on those picks have not been met, therefore they do not belong to the Sabres right now.
I still believe Botterill adds his place holder 2C around the draft when every team would be willing to move roster players. Teams are going to be in a cap crunch this summer and are going to need to move players. Players who are in bottom six roles such as Kadri or JT Miller may become available as both teams need cap space.
They could structure the conditions of the trade as such that it would become the SJ 1st
JT Miller is a RW only... he is getting traded, I hope it’s not to us.
Toronto would never trade Kadri in division
im not actually interested in acquiring a long term center. We need a short term solution... and we need it now.
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Mittelstadt should’ve been in Rochester all year. Botts trade of ROR and believing Mitts was ready is a poor reflection on his abilities as a general manager. We have potentially wasted 1 of 3 Dahlin ELC years and 1 of 2 Reinhart bridge years... and stunted the growth of our blue chip prospect in the process.
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2 hours ago, New Scotland (NS) said:
I do not agree with what you are selling here, but like LGR, I welcome you and your contributions (you have defended your points well in your first post and I would say that many here will agree with your stance) to our little corner of the Internet. We are a great big loving and very dysfunctional family around here.
Sent you a beer.
It does surprise me how little value is placed on winning, while such high value is placed on unknown assets that cannot reasonably be expected to make a difference for years, while the unforced errors (ROR trade) continue to have detrimental effects to the present and future of the roster.
I am not advocating going full Murray (multiple high value futures for multiple young vets), I’m advocating for one very specific move, the benefits of which would impact both the young core (winning, playoffs, etc) and the kids (roster alignment, quality line mates, appropriate deployment).
and it’s a hole we are going to have to fill in the offseason.... why wait? Patience doesn’t guarantee success anymore than acceleration guarantees failure. We are not going to win a cup the the Eichel/Dahlin era because we had 4 firsts in 2019-20....
thanks for the welcoming
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I'm most interested in an immediate rental trade, with the ideal target being Eric Staal.
The priority should be making the playoffs, and getting our young core the experience they desperately need. Prioritizing coin flip draft picks who likely don't make a difference until Dahlin's ELC is over, Reinhart's bridge is over and Eichel's half way through his contract, is a huge waste of time.
Staal would help mask the colossal short term error Botts made in the ROR trade. We'd get him for a playoff push, and hopefully a bit of playoff success (wins). And then ideally we'd be able to convince him to sign a 2 year extension in the offseason.
From a trade rental/cost perspective we are probably looking at something like: SJ 1st + Mid round pick + Sean Malone
Couple adding Staal with allowing the next wave of Rochester talent to push the under performing vets out of the lineup, and we get to a much more capable forward lineup for the stretch run:
- Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart
- Sheary/Erod-Staal-Okposo (find out if we can squeeze one last drop out of Okposo with a high end vet center)
- Nylander/Olofsson-Mitterstadt-Thompson
- Sheary/Erod-Larsson-Girgs
- x Sobotka, Poms
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Jbot Do Something Already - 4 Saving the Playoffs Edition
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So Botterill saves say 3 million per for those 2 years... while spending over 5 million in those same 2 years on Sheary and Hunwick
cap genius