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Just now, New Scotland (NS) said:
I think I missed something here. Who in blazes is 6K?
UPL has six ks in his name.
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1 minute ago, Taro T said:
Again, not saying he should be back if the team doesn't significantly improve. Just saying I expect he has more rope from management than people here would give him.
And I do expect at least 1 more move this summer and possibly up to 3 (not including more Amerk signings).
I don't think he's that special. If the Sabres don't improve this season he's gone, basically because he would have butchered the NHL roster.
However, I do agree with you that he will make more moves before training camp; hopefully he will be able to improve the quality of the top 6 fowards. That would turn the team's fortunes around.
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3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:
Trading in a hurry is what got us the O'Reilly return, I like that he is taking his time, letting people know Ristolainen doesn't come cheap.
If you want a 2C now it might not be the upgrade you want, I want a 70 point 2C. Ristolainen might get us that, but if no gm wants to give it to us then we might just well start the season with Samson as 2C.
Johansson is still an option out there, Dzingel is not a center and I'd avoid him.
Sure, he has 3 months to make a deal, and he should use as much as that time as he needs.
Even with Reinhart at 2C, the team still lacks top 6 talent. Going into the season with the roster as it is would be a mistake, so while there's no immediate rush to acquire the 2nd line center man, it needs to be done before training camp.
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3 minutes ago, Taro T said:
2 minor quibbles with the 2nd sentence.
1. He's got through September to make improvements.
2. Though we'd all want to lynch him should he not bringin a 2C, I expect the Pegulas will give him at least 1 more year even w/out a new 2C.
Sure, September is good. So say that the Botterill doesn't acquire a 2C, and the Sabres finish with 75 points. That makes 3 straight seasons where the team doesn't top 80 points. How many GMs get that much leaway?
His picks are in the pipeline, Botterill doesn't have to be here to see them graduate to the NHL roster. The Pegulas can keep the prospects and hire a GM who knows how to build a better NHL roster.
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1 minute ago, E4 ... Ke2 said:
It could be worse. If the hosts and many of the guests today on WGR had their way, the line-up could just be adding depth wingers to:
Vesey - Eichel - Nylander
Skinner - Mittlestadt - Reinhart
Olofsson - Rodrigues - Sheary
Thompson - Sobotka - Okposo
Elie - Asplund - Smith
Many of the guests today thought that Eichel could elevate Nylander and Vesey to 25G players, whence Skinner and Reinhart could make an effective second line with Mittlestadt. PHam thinks that Sobotka is better than Girgensons and Larsson. Schopp thinks that last year's 4th liners were the problem and not 2C. Others on WGR think that Thompson on Eichel's wing would score over 20 next year. Several people working with the station today seemed to imply that the above forward lines should make the playoffs.
Their love of Sobotka and Thompson that makes me wonder how many of these guys has more access than the let on. No one with any objectivity who believes in Multivariate Statistics, RDBMS querying, and NoSQL databases should believe those 2 should be anywhere near the Sabres. On the other hand, JBot clearly thinks they belong in the Opening Night line-up.
The roster listed above will struggle to hit 70 points this season.
Botterill has till the end of August, but if he doesn't acquire a legitimate 2nd line center, this will be his last season as GM for the Sabres.
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Who would have thought that Vesey is the Murray-guy that Botterill likes?
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Well Botterill said he was interested in making more Sheary/Hunwick type deals, and this is almost as mediocre as that deal, so...
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49 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Anyone think we could sign Dzingel, trade for Zucker and bring back Pomers? As think reuniting Jason on the top line and putting Sam on a 2nd line with Zucker and Dzingel feels good to me as a top 6.
Just because putting Pommers on the top line was the best thing for Pommers, doesn't mean it was the best thing for the team.
Eichel and Skinner should play with a guy who can contribute to their overall game, not just finish the chances they create.
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12 minutes ago, steveoath said:
If Botterill is serious about a long term regeneration and being patient with prospects (and im assuming the Pegulas are on board with this slow burn approach) surely he gets more than 3 years?
How is Botterill patient with picks? There's this narative that Botterill is playing some kind of long game, unique to NHL GMs, when in reality, he's not.
He's traded 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round picks for immediate roster help. He probably should have played Mittelstadt a half-season in Rochester. And Thompson, while not a Boterill draft pick was forced into the line up last season.
He's not playing a long game here, he's picking and choosing his spots (Nylander and Olofsson stay in Rochester, Mittlestadt and Thompson play on Buffalo) like every other NHL GM does.
And this isn't a bad thing. The Sabres core is getting more expensive with little to no team success. The GM should be addressing this fact immediately, because dumping the core is way more expensive and time consuming than replacing the GM.
Judging Botterill should be no different than any other GM. If the Sabres are still cellar dwellers at the end of his 3rd season, Botterill should be on the hot seat
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19 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:
The bold is important. And TB certainly isn't a Presidents trophy team without Pointe, Cirelli and others. Evidence of the contrary is the Sabres who have not hit on anything outside round three in years. Fingers crossed for Olofsson.
Your analysis of draft years only goes back to 2104. If you go back the 6 years prior you will see many more picks that contribute or were traded for players that did. It just takes time for these players to mature and carry a team. Especially a goalie. And Two of their 1st round picks were traded for contributors like JT Miller, Ryan McDonagh, and Bradon Coburn (2015). Cal Foote also looks like a good prospect. So if you remove the those two selections, and consider their picks are outside the top 20 since their ascension in 2014 to an elite level in the standings most years, not too bad.
*Please note - the next statement is not intended to redirect this thread toward Ryan O'Reilly.
Another factor is the GM needs to win more trades than he loses. Trading Cory Conacher for Ben Bishop is a win. And then turning that player 4 years later into Eric Cernak is yet another win. Draft, develop and win trades.
Sure, if you go back before 2014 there's more of the story to be told, but the discussion I was involved in set the parameter to 2014 and the following years.
Aside from that parameter, I agree with what you write. There are multiple ways to acquire talent and a good GM takes advantage of all those methods.
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9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
All draftees are prospects until the age out, graduate to the NHL, or are cut, traded or otherwise leave the organization. However not all prospects are draftees. College and Euro UFAs for example are prospects but not draftees.
The vast majority of players who enter the NHL come through the draft and it’s incumbent on teams, especially small market teams in the cap era to draft well. 1st rd picks are supposed to make the team and make an impact, but the teams like TB and Boston that consistently find top 9 F and top 4 D outside the first round are typically deeper and better teams. Think of it this way. If you are trying to build a roster through the draft in would take 22 years to build if you relied on only 1st rd picks.
In Buffalo’s case, 8 core players on the 05 and 06 teams were drafted by the Sabres in the 2nd rd or later. Today, not including Pommers we have one - McCabe.
Ok, thanks for that.
Tampa has picked 39 players in the draft since 2014. 6 of those picks have made it to the NHL. 3 play for the Lightning. 3 play for the Rangers.
Since 2014, Tampa has none of its 1st rounders on its NHL roster. Howden was their pick in 2016. He now plays for the Rangers and has 23 career points.
Deangelo was their 1st pick in 2014, also plays for the Rangers, and has 43 career points (so in 5 seasons he has roughly the same number of points as Dahlin).
The only player picked by Tampa in the 2nd round since 2014 who has played in the NHL is Libor Hajek (2016) who also now plays for the Rangers. He's played 5 NHL games.
Tampa's saving grace in the draft since 2014 is the 3rd round, where they drafted Point (2014) and Cirelli (2015).
They added Joseph in the 4th round in 2015 (26 career points).
None of their draft picks from 2017 or 2018 have hit the NHL yet.
So since 2014, 5 drafts (not counting 2019) have added Point, Cirelli, and Joseph to the Lightning roster. Now one of those players is excellent, one is emerging, and the last might be good, but 3 players from 5 drafts is not a great percentage.
The other draftees in the NHL were sent to the Rangers to build their defense (trading projects for veterens).
So is a team who consistently misses on the first two rounds, but hits on the 3rd round good at drafting or is it lucky?
Or does it not matter, because acquiring a good player, regardless of his draft position is really the only thing that matters?
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14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Duda’s post started this thread and had the 2014 limit. The reason college UFAs aren’t included because again it’s a discussion of draftees not prospects.
Okay, I see the 2014 post, which states the overall games played by draft picks where Buffalo ranks 2nd, but that's not good enough because there are not enough games played by players picked in rounds 2 - 7 after 2014?
And the definition of prospect does not include draftees?
And Boston and Tampa are successful because they have a few players who meet this criteria?
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4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
You are incorrect. There are zero players drafted after the 1st rd from 2014 to now with 100 games played for the Sabres and only one since 2012 - McCabe.
Since 2006 we have only had 3 players drafted after the 1st rd play 100 games or more for the Sabres. Weber (2nd 2006), McCabe (2nd 2012) and Foligno (4th 2009).
Current Sabres who are also Sabres draftees with over 100 games are
1st rd players - Eichel (2015), Reinhart (2014), Risto (2013), Girgensons (2012)
2nd rd player - McCabe (2012), I guess you could include Pommers (2002) as he is still w the Sabres until 7/1.
Erod and Nelson have both played 100+ games for us but were college UFAs. Larsson was a Minn 2nd rd pick and played 1 NHL game for the wild before being traded to us.
So you just added the 2014 parameter (don't know why), but Pominville was the 3rd Sabre drafted by the team after the 1st round to play 100 games for the Sabres.
McCabe and ERod were the other two, I don't know why you wouldn't include college FAs.
Nelson, according to NHLPA.com has played 93 games for the Sabres. So he doesn't meet the 100 game criteria.
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13 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
So two Bruins (Eastern Conference Champs) and two TB players (President's Cup) Interesting.
Meh, Sabres have three players on the roster who they they drafted (or signed) after the 1st round who have played 100 games for them.
Does that make the Sabres an EC finalist or President's Cup candidate?
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6 minutes ago, Radar said:
I always was cautious about putting to much value on coaching and Trots and contrasting Housley has made me think I should put much more value on coaching.
Coaching is huge in the NHL. Maybe because there are so many bad coaches, fans tend to devalue it as being a key component for success.
The Sabres locker room has been a mis-managed mess for years. To a large extent, the players self-govern the locker room, but the coach needs to set the tone and accountability for the team, and the result of every coaching and GM decision ends up there.
Krueger seems to have the skillset to hopefully fix these issues this season.
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1 hour ago, North Buffalo said:
Goalies have been part of the problem, but improving, talent is almost there, but need a few pieces, and coaching has been a huge and the biggest... issue.
When the team added Montour at the deadline, and Montour played well after the trade, but the team defense got worse, you can pinpoint coaching as the main issue.
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6 minutes ago, WhichWayToGo said:
With this Roster I think it makes it tough on the GM to make any moves. Think about it, you are the other GM - you say you want player X send me your trade pieces, ok so you send him Vladimir, Johan, and Zemgus and possibly a 2020 pick (which you have 6 of that includes 2 7th rounders - NOTE- the 2019 and 2020 draft are supposedly deap in talent with a huge drop off in 2021). So you wait for the phone to ring and wait and wait, so as a good GM you call back and say does that work for you? All you hear on the other end is laughter - and then - is that all you got?? This team obviously has been where its been in the standing because it doesn't have much talent. If the roster stays the same expect more of the same.
I don't know, Pu, a 2nd, 3rd and a 6th got the Sabres a 40 goal scorer. What's the difference between Pu and Nylander or Borgen?
The Sabres also have ample cap space the next few seasons to make deals with teams looking to dump salary.
Botterill just needs to find distressed inventory, like he did with Skinner and Sheary. Guys who are undervalued or no longer valued by their current teams. Once he identifies those targets, he should be able to make a deal.
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17 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Of course Jbot was correct to trade Pu. The difference is that Byron and McNabb had already played in the NHL and were likely ready to contribute more to this team when they were shipped out.
McNabb plus 2 2nd rd picks for Fasching and Delo. Awful. Cernak for TB was taken with one of the 2 2nd rd picks.
Bryon and Butler went to Calg for Robyn Regher, Kotalik and a 2nd rd pick. Regher was later sent to LA for the 2nd second rd picks that TM gladly gave away with McNabb for Fasching.
No wonder we still suck.
This team doesn't suck because they traded Byron and McNabb.
How much ice time do you think McNabb would have gotten under Bylsma or Housley? Buffalo's archetype defenseman the last 5 years has been Kris Letang. McNabb doesn't fit that archetype.
Byron had 16 goals the four years he played in Calgary after being traded by Buffalo. That wouldn't have helped the Sabres screaming need for top six fowards. And at that time, the trade wasn't even that bad. A salary dump, two slow-developing prospects for a veteran physical defenseman and a 2nd round pick. That's a trade most would make all day.
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If this is the plan, Botterill won't be the GM by the time the team is "ready" to win.
The team has cap space and assets to trade, but Botterill is going to put everything on hold until (if) Mittelstadt and Cozens develop?
Doesn't seem like the best way foward.
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9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Over the last decade we had a bad habit of trading developing later picks before they fully matured like McNabb and Byron on top of making lousy picks from the 2nd rd down. It’s one of the reasons we are where we are. Where would this team be if some of Cornel, Bailey, Baptiste, and Fasching actually developed into real NHL players?
Still Foligno, Ullmark, Petersen, Borgen and Olofsson are all 4th rd or later picks. Maybe Borgen and Olofsson will make an impact next season.
So you're saying the Sabres shouldn't have traded Pu for Skinner?
Drafting kids at 17 and 18 is crapshoot. Most kids drafted in the later rounds level off and just aren't NHL quality players.
Trades play a huge role in building NHL rosters. Trading draft assets for better prospects or established players is not a bad thing.
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29 minutes ago, Derrico said:
Imagine three years from now a second line of:
Mittlestadt - Cozens - Reinhart
Is that after 3 more 70 point seasons?
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2 minutes ago, jahnyc said:
Other than Risto and maybe McCabe, and excluding our "core" players (Jack, Skinner, Dahlin, Montour and Reinhart), we just don't have many assets that are attractive to other teams for a trade. I don't think it is reasonable to expect Bogo, Okposo, Girgs, Larsson, Sobotka, Scandella or even Nylander to be tradable at this point. These may be some of the players that we would like to see traded, but the possibility of receiving any real value for them seems small.
They got Skinner for Pu, a 2nd, 3rd and a 6th. There are deals to be made, just need to be patient.
And the Sabres also have cap space as an asset.
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That Marleau deal is just plain weird. Why would a team with an internal cap take on a salary dump like this.
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1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Our forward pipeline has a solid group now as well headlined by Cozens including Nylander, Olofsson, Thompson, Davidsson, Asplund, Pekar and now Routsalainen.
Olofsson will be on the Sabres roster this season. Nylander will either be gone next week or will also be on the Sabres roster. So they're leaving the pipeline.
Davidsson, Asplund, Pekar, Routsalainen, and Thompson don't project to top six forwards.
Cozens does project to a top six forward, but he's at least two years away.
Only Asplund, Pekar, Routsalainen and Thompson will be in Rochester next season.
If Botterill can acquire a center and winger through free agency or by trade, they should be all right, but it's going to be expensive.
Andrew Hammond signs with Sabres
in The Aud Club
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I agree. I prefer the nickname 3U.
They're not the best. Hammond might get a look or two during the season with big club. I think the goal is to have 3U as the starter coming out of the lockout.