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If you think of it like Thompson/D - ROR in 2024, sure it's a good deal. The return prior to '20/'21 was a fat nothing. I'd still rather have ROR (MVP) than Thompson (two solid seasons), but that's me. And sure, it's a what-if game with ROR because he didn't want to be in Buffalo, but our boys are getting older.........................................................

The blues got their impact. We sold our 1C and got another one a handful of years later. Result? Down a top C for years on years. Bad trade.

Bad: Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Montour, Bogo/Kane, Staal, Foligno, Deslauriers. Worse: firing coaches for half a decade. Good: Risto, Greenway.

Correct. Again, each of those players is better than Bouchard, Seider, and Hughes. Anyone can be traded. Stevie Y knows this. He was no stranger to making bold moves for players while he was the TBL GM (Sergachev, for example). Yes it will cost a lot for anyone worthwhile. But that's the whole point of making the trade in the first place. Doing whatever it takes to get a solid top 4 Dman that we can keep for a while, without giving away everything, is a priority for this club. Jordan Greenway is not the solution to making the playoffs this year or the next. A competent defense is. That means anything and everything is on the table, especially pending UFAs.

You put up two 1sts and two 2nds for a first. That's insanity. We got less back for Sam Reinhart, Jack Eichel, and ROR who are better players than Seider, Hughes, and Bouchard. Work it down the list if those targets aren't available. Romanov, Hague, Miller, Drysdale. They're all pretty decent and no way they cost two 1sts and two 2nds. Max 1 first, a second, and a prospect. He really isn't that good. I think you are overvaluing a guy who can easily be replaced for less, and who likely isn't resigning. It would be a smart value move to get something for him now (if) someone will overpay.

It'd have to be more than a 2nd and a 5th, because that's what we got him for. So maybe a 2nd and a 3rd, or two 2nds. What're the odds we get that top 4 dman under RFA (replacing Joker) if we overpay just a little bit? That's the other key piece. How many picks and prospects would a Byram cost (or a Seider, Bouchard, Luke Hughes, Romanov, Hague, Miller, Drysdale)? A first, 2nd and a prospect is the max reasonable payout. Then, we have to sign a couple Fs for grit (for Greenway, KO/Girgs) (like Martin, Clutterbuck, Lucic, Maroon, etc) plus another solid D for EJ (maybe Clifton) UFA in the offseason. If that isnt possible, keep Greenway and try your luck signing an F (mentioned) and one or two Dmen in the upcoming UFA market (Tanev, Hanifin, Barrie, OEL, Gostisbehere, Montour) or the next (Chycrun, Provorov, Schmidt, Theodore, Gavrikov, Pionk, Orlov, Ekblad).

If they don't overpay, don't sell. It won't be an NHL player because they're gunning for the playoffs and they need someone big before the deadline. Let's say we get two decent picks from Greenway. Great. Sign one or two hulk UFAs on short term in the offseason (Martin, Lucic, Clutterbuck, Maroon, etc). Package the picks and a player/prospect for a one or two top 4 Dmen. Profit.

More so to protect the young guys. I do like him as a player. He brings grit to our team (which we don't have) and he can become our pk specialist (which sucks bigtime). Moving him requires that we get something very good back. The assumption is that the Canucks are willing to overpay us. If so, it makes sense because we get more value added. Plus, we might turn around and re-sign him once he's a UFA. If we do move him, we will have to replace his grit and toughness, which we should already be looking into (bye KO, Girgs). Big strong, slow forwards are a dime a dozen in the UFA market, and we can find a few if we look hard enough. It's purely a value move.

There must be teams that are willing to spend on him to make a playoff run. He is a big man who can play a little pk. The size can come from the new Defense which we are pretty much desperate for. Okay, if that's the case, go for it. The point of moving Greenway is to get value back on him before he leaves, and use that to improving the defense. How you might go about doing that is subjective.

Fair enough. There are better players to trade for. Boqvist is low hanging fruit. With a bit more ambition and a few more bullets in the magazine KA can try for someone better.

Lol. It's about getting value on a player who is a UFA when we have a bunch of talent/picks to protect before we improve the roster. It's not a huge deal if he stays or goes, but we get more back if we move him now versus letting him eat minutes on the 4th line.

An improvement nonetheless. We need better Defenseman to take the pressure off Dahlin and Power. They'll almost certainly play better as a result.

To sign a UFA dman, RFA dman, and have room for Quinn, Mitts, JJP, Krebs, two goalies, and protect our top picks and prospects. That 4th liner is only going to be with us briefly, playing fourth line minutes and pk. Spend the money and assets on players that are going to make a difference on the team. I.e top 4 D. Now is the perfect time to move Greenway for value where we are heavy in guys that can Crack a roster spot in a year or two.

Bruh. 80 / 188 = 0.43 pts/gm, 76 / 307 = 0.25 pts/gm. Boqvist plays #3 minutes. Joker is at best a 4th Dman on our team. He's at least twice the player Joker is. And he's younger.

You gain cap space and assets by moving Greenway who is about to be a UFA anyways. Let's make room for our top 6 F, top 4 D, and goalies before we start thinking of overpaying for 4th liners.

Boqvist is a bottom 4 Dman. Joker is an AHL player. That would be a great deal. We'd still have Östlund, Rosen, Rousek, and Savoie and we'd have a promising Dman in Byram under RFA. I'm not sure what kind of Dman you can fetch with one or two picks, but it won't be a good deal.

That cap space is going to disappear once we resign Quinn, JJP, Mitts, 2 dmen, and our goalies in 2 years.

Boqvist is a much better Dman than Joker. We absolutely are going to need to trade or sign for a UFA because EJ's contract is up in a year. That deal for Byram is probably a good one. We have scoring. We need Defenseman. Who is going to step up and play defense? There are plenty of RFA and UFA Dmen available to trade for. I only mentioned a few. Packaging a fourth liner to end up with a much more valuable top 4 Dman is a deal that will pay much higher than keeping said 4th liner.

Couldn't is a dirty word. You most certainly could find 2 competent Dmen on the trade market. Teams trade for depth DMen all the time (Zadorov, McCabe, Orlov, Montour, etc). A competent top 4 defender is worth much more than a fourth liner. Ours play minimum 25% more minutes per game including the pp and pk. KA should be looking for depth Dmen because Joker and EJ are going to need replacing. Also, we have enough young forwards in the AHL to cycle into the 4th line when it's time to test them out. It happens that some teams, like the Canucks, are looking to add size. By moving Greenway, who is a UFA in 2 years, we can get some assets to apply to the acquisition of a depth defender, so why wouldn't we? Sell Greenway for a 2nd, a 5th, and a prospect (or better). Target an RFA and a UFA on defense. RFAs: Boqvist, Seider, Bouchard, Byram. UFAs: Barrie, Montour, Chycrun (trade), Matheson (trade), etc.

More picks and more prospects. We need a lot of ready pieces and none of which are going to be cheap. We need 1-2 solid NHL Dmen. We need a goalie. That might cost upwards of 9 guys. Greenway is at best a fourth liner with pk minutes. At worst, an AHL player. Trade him while he's worth something. Replace him with an up and comer who can use the minutes.

Most he ever scored was 12 goals in one season. He is valuable due to his size and the Canucks are looking to add it. They more than likely won't trade back an NHL player because they're trying for a playoff run. I'd say sell him while his value is up. He is at best a 4th liner on a decent team, and we have more than enough competition for those minutes.

I think we should trade for Habs' Montenbeault. He's pretty good considering the Habs are not. Plus, they have a goalie logjam at the moment. Levi needs some time in the AHL to bake. Confidence is very important at the goalie position and we don't want to ruin our best chance at a 1A by crushing his.

Trade him for a 2nd, a 3rd/5th, and a prospect. Then, package those pieces and one of VO/Krebs/Girgs for a real NHL Dman. I'm aiming at Boqvist, Peeke, Chycrun, Barrie, Matheson. That would be amazing.

Wounded.

UPL played a huge game last night.