jimiVbaby
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It can't happen because you need two parties to make it happen and I don't believe for this draft you would get that.
In one instance we lose our entire draft for 1 guy. In the other we get a bunch of pics we don't need. If the Sabres finish last and draft 1st/2nd they let Tim Murray walk up on stage and say Connor McDavid with the 1st overall selection or Jack Eichel with the 2nd overall selection.
If you like I can say, I don't not believe there is a likely scenario where the 1st and 2nd overall picks swap outside of the lottery.
The OP was about the Sabres entire draft for McDavid but I think the conversation has pivoted to #2 overall and 2 firsts for #1 overall. That's a trade that I believe could happen if Tim Murray believes there is a very wide gap between Connor and Jack and the GM of the team with #1 doesn't. Maybe it depends on where the two other firsts land but 3 first round picks, one of which is considered a "generational" player in Jack Eichel, would make the decision a difficult one even if it's for McDavid.
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You completely explained why it did work that year by saying there was no McDavid. But there was even more to it with that draft. Not only was there no McDavid, but there was no true #1 prospect that year either. The other big change today is the salary cap. You can certainly work around a deal that is going to involve multiple NHL players, but it's an added complication that is going to get in the way of a lot of internet trade proposals that are thrown around.
The salary cap angle is certainly a factor but not so much if the deal is picks for picks like I'm proposing. And sure, the 2003 draft didn't have McDavid but it didn't have an Eichel either. If the perceived difference between these two "generational" players isn't that large there has to be GM's out there that see Eichel and 2 firsts in this draft as equal or maybe more valuable than McDavid.
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I wouldn't do that one for McDavid but if the trade was McDavid for Eichel, 17, 22, 31 and 45 and all other picks. Now I think both teams have to at least contimplate it.
Again, Im not suggesting it would EVER happen.
I think what shrader said was correct... the late round picks mean nothing. Maybe 3 firsts and the 2 seconds?
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No, it would take a lot more than those two additional picks. We're talking about serious NHL talent to even get someone to listen. It doesn't really matter in the end though. Neither of the McEichel draft picks is going to be moved no matter who winds up in the top two. There was only one scenario where it may have even been possible and that was the long shot where Buffalo wound up with both draft picks.
A bit of history-
Penguins
Traded 2003 first round pick (#3-Nathan Horton), 2003 second round pick (#55-Stefan Meyer) to Panthers for 2003 first round pick (#1-Marc-Andre Fleury), 2003 third round pick (#73-Dan Carcillo) on 2003-06-21
Granted there was no Connor McDavid in the 2003 draft moving up two slots only cost the Pens #3 and #55. For a team to move down just one spot and get a player that has been said to be almost as good as McDavid I feel like this board is really overvaluing the number one spot. Maybe Zemgus plus the three firsts as long as the Sabres land in the #2 spot.
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That may be true but the Sabres would be trading 3 firsts and 2nds plus the rest of their draft or would be getting an additional 2nd-7th pick if they traded back (depending on the scenario we are discussing). Either of those are foolish. In one instance we lose our entire draft for 1 guy. In the other we get a bunch of pics we don't need. If the Sabres finish last and draft 1st/2nd they let Tim Murray walk up on stage and say Connor McDavid with the 1st overall selection or Jack Eichel with the 2nd overall selection.
Those 5-7th round draft picks have absolutely not value in this discussion. No team is going to submit a serious trade offer where they are the one getting those picks in return. There may be a serious offer out there where a team moves down a slot. This one is not even remotely close to that.
Let me re-frame the question (although I think shrader already answered it) to how I was thinking about it. Is there a team that would trade the #1 spot for #2 and the other two firsts the Sabres own? I think yes, as long as that team isn't Canadian or one with a rather significant following. I'm thinking Florida, Arizona, Carolina and (maybe? Dallas).
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Why would the other team have any interest in that?
Consider this: Florida is a year ahead of the Sabres in their rebuild and is currently 8 points out of the wildcard. They are not just Connor McDavid away from a championship but they could be a Jack Eichel and 2 firsts away from one. And they really don't have the fanbase to upset in the process. Each situation is unique.
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The person(s) that were involved with the building of the skyway and the 190. What a lack of foresight.
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No one misses 90s rock unless they're a little too happy that day and need to take it down a notch. Wow, what a depressing decade of music.
I'm not old enough to remember it the first time around, but when it comes to rock, it's 70s FTW. (Rock. Not disco.)
:lol: Now that you mention it, man you are so right.
Song of the day..
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Chris Drury is special kind of player, no doubt.....but 7+ million for numbers less than Pomminstein and two postseasons with the Rangers where he's puttered out with injury. (he broke ribs last year in the second round?)
Next year he's 33 with 3 years left.
New York has to wonder about return on investment.
But it was his boyhood dream to.... ahh Fug it.
At that price tag, he is a waste of cap space.
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I'm running a freakin softball team with people from work, and I think everyone has complained about something already. We haven't even had our first team meeting yet. WTF!!!
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Mice on Macs are absolutely terrible. If you have a Mac, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
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I'm complaining this thread is still open. :doh:
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This makes me very upset.
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Nathan Gerbe... why can't he be taller?
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I hate being told from my employer (a very large bank) to temper my expectations for a bonus and a raise at the end of the year. The worst part is I work with the mortgage back securities...
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Freakin' shin splints. I've been jogging a lot more lately and playing on some local floor hockey teams and it seriously gets to the point where I can't walk.
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I never really thought about it as a percentage as it's almost as easy for me to deiver 10 bucks of food as it is $100 but anything over 3 bucks is nice in my eyes.
FWIW, it seems as if a lot of people feel like 2 bucks is good, while it may be cool for short deliveries, if I'm driving 20+ minutes rountrip, you aren't even covering my gas. The only people I get downright ornery with are the sub $1 tippers. I almost burnt down one lady's house as she gave me a 10 cent tip because she had a "free delivery" coupon. She presented it after the discount was taken, so I wasn't getting reimbursed the amount of the coupon. It was 10 freaking cents. Here is that house.
I delivered pizza for at least 5 years, and anything over two dollars was 'acceptable'.
I did have a fun game I liked to play:
Less than 2 bucks - Walk away, say nothing
Two bucks - Smile, say thanks
Anything over 5 - Smile, and say thank you very much, have a good one.
It's not that I hated the less than 2 dollar tippers, but showing my displeasure at least might help me in the long run or they'll pick it up next time and not waste my time.
With Kane at #9, how would you feel if Eichel took....#99
in The Aud Club
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It'd be great! No one of significance has ever worn that number so it's certainly Jack Eichel's ball to run with. What are everyone's thoughts on possibly # 999? No player has yet to venture out into the 100's but I feel like Jack has the machismo and moxie to take that step!